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My question was would Cork or Limerick be asked to play 6 days after winning their provisional championship?? NO no no they wouldn't. I can only speak form Carlow experience & the 2 weeks break in 2023 gave us a chance to celebrate & then get back training. We ran Dublin close for most of the game. In 2018 we had 6 days & I know very little preparation was done. We got hammered. If Mcdonagh teams are going to be kept in championship give them some time to prepare at least
carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 277 - 15/06/2025 13:59:22 2617706 Link 0 |
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The reason they only get six days is because the attitude of the GAA is that the preliminary QF is just a sop to the McDonogh counties, a favour, and they should just be thankful Which is what it is. McDonogh counties need more games against each other, more time, proper breaks between games, and more exposure The preliminary QF completely distorts and devalues the McDonogh Cup. It means it has to be played off quickly and winning it is devalued by having to play a hastily scheduled game The reward for winning it should be the trophy and then getting to play in the AI series the next year Have eight teams, 7 games plus a final, run parallel to the provincials and AI series, played on rest weekends for those competitions to maximize TV coverage. Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 143 - 15/06/2025 16:00:11 2617746 Link 0 |
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Thanks so much for the favour of letting us play the stronger teams in a q/t final. We are so grateful to the Gaa & the stronger counties. My God the arrogance of some people. In my opinion one of the ways for the weaker counties to improve is by playing stronger opposition. You will learn an awful lot playing KK or Galway etc rather than the same Mcdonagh opposition all the time. Yes you will take beatings but you will learn & hopefully improve. If you said to me a few years ago that we would draw with KK in the championship and beat Waterford in the league I wouldn't have believed you but playing higher opposition more often exposed our lads to what's required. I'm sure the buzz was unreal in Kildare all week before their game with Dublin & I dont think that opportunity should be taken from them. Hopefully a 2 week break can't be sorted in future & give them a fair cracking because ultimately that's what they are facing next year. As regards promotion of the Mcdonagh. It's a joke. Couple of minutes on Sunday game if we are lucky. As I said before outside the top 8 counties the Gaa don't care.
carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 277 - 15/06/2025 16:40:29 2617756 Link 0 |
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No! No! No! The McDonagh cup teams should have merited access to the McCarthy cup through promotion first and when getting there not relegated back down. It takes more than one year to reach the pitch of the game at the next level. The gulf between the McDonagh and McCarthy is so evident. Coming in better and not getting dumped back out before getting climatized to a higher level is not progressive. It's GAA that are giving them access to the McCarthy cup not the other countries. You and everyone else know they are not close to teams that don't qualify. When the McDonagh teams are close to the teams who fail to qualify then been competitive at the higher level will be realistic.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3111 - 15/06/2025 17:27:46 2617770 Link 0 |
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Was great to see alright and for Kildare to get a glimpse of the work needed at the next level I believe was vitally important for the development of the team. That's a big reason why the preliminary quarter finals need to remain. It shows that standard to the best of the Joe McDonagh teams. If we want more than 10 hurling counties the link needs to be kept. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 468 - 15/06/2025 18:10:01 2617794 Link 2 |
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There's no reason for it to be kept, two utterly one sided and pointless games that the winners won pulling up
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2206 - 15/06/2025 20:16:50 2617866 Link 0 |
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Waterford should propose that one of McDonagh teams replace relegated Munster team. Or would that be sacrlige? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3607 - 15/06/2025 20:57:41 2617888 Link 0 |
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Yes but structured differently so they can be competitive. The last thing you want happening to Kildare is getting hammered and relegated as the progress is lost. The problem is they would not be competitive against the fourth or fifth team in either province. Fine hurlers but way off the pace and speed. It is an in indictment of the sport in 125 years no lower division county has made the break through.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3111 - 15/06/2025 21:13:11 2617895 Link 0 |
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The current Leinster championship runs as follows: 1, 2, break, 3, 4, 5, break and final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8945 - 15/06/2025 21:19:50 2617898 Link 0 |
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I think the change in the league structure will help. Particularly the 2 up and 2 down. For Kildare next year the first target will be to stay in 1B and move into the Leinster championship with confidence. Brian Dowlings interview was on the mark mentioning the difference in the size of the backroom team. I hope the county board get behind the hurlers as much as the footballers. The serious work needs start to try and close that gap in pace and speed. It's speed of thought as much as anything which mainly comes from experience. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 468 - 15/06/2025 22:37:39 2617947 Link 0 |
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That should make for good competition. Nearly as good as when we play Dublin.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3111 - 15/06/2025 22:43:15 2617952 Link 0 |
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Think you might find a better example for your prowess. This year is first time you beat us in quite a while and you may thank that ref for sending Cian off for that. Anyway, point stands. No reason why yourselves as one of the usual bottom dogs against the better Munster teams ought not get a chance to pick yourselves up in McDonagh. Be making of you. Once you avoid away tie with Carlow .... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3607 - 16/06/2025 00:25:29 2618002 Link 0 |
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I would like nothing more than to see a new team win the AI. Doesn't matter who Failing that the likes of Waterford or Wexford, Dublin Hurling needs more teams at the top That's not condescending Hurling is fragile and having only a handful of competitive teams does no good to the game The preliminary QF right now does nothing for the McDonogh Cup teams and harms the McDonogh Cup IMHO Everybody talks about how Waterford and Wexford are finished hurling in May but what about Carlow, Westmeath, Down and Kerry? I agree the one week gap is unfair but realistically would a 2 week break make much of a difference? Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 143 - 16/06/2025 00:25:36 2618003 Link 0 |
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I understand that the McDonagh finalists want to play in Croke Park before a big crowd but really, in terms of scheduling, it would be better if it was held on another weekend instead of the Leinster Final. A 6 day turnaround is a huge ask for strong well-resourced hurling teams but it puts it beyond question that the McDonagh teams will get a hammering when they are required to do it. I think Kildare would have done a lot better against Dublin had they the benefit of a 2 week break before playing the preliminary qf. Imo it would be way better if the McDonagh final was put on with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher Cups. I'm probably going to irk some of my fellow county people by saying this but imo it can be argued that Galway were what you call a "lower division team" prior to 1975. Yes they got to 3 All Ireland finals in the 50's (but got a bye to the final in 2 of them) and they were strong enough to win a National Hurling League title in 1950/51 but I'm old enough to remember Galway teams getting well beaten by all the traditional hurling counties in the early 70's. We'd generally have the beating of Antrim , Dublin, and Offaly (all of whom were a lot weaker then than they are today) but I vividly remember as a kid of about 7 or 8 attending a Galway vs Kildare National Hurling League game that was a very close encounter which Galway won by a few points at the end. That's the level we were at...and of course we lost a championship quarter final to London in1973 which was seen as the lowest point ever in our hurling fortunes. I'd also rank Offaly as a "lower division side" until the time they made that breakthough in 1980 and I'd suggest they may have remained a "lower division side" and never made that breakthrough had the Kilkenny Wexford duopoly been maintained -- when the open draw in the Leinster championship was introduced it opened a pathway for them to reach a Leinster final when the 2 strongest teams Kilkenny and Wexford began to be pitted against each other in the semi final. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2032 - 16/06/2025 01:35:22 2618007 Link 0 |
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You mean of the people who run Hurling - the established top tier counties as I said, comments like, it woukd be good for Hurling if Cork won an All Ireland tells you everything about their attitude. When Kerry were riding high was there any effort to expand Munster. At least the counties in Leinster have shown the willingness to change. There is nothing wrong with Hurling unless it's in Munster.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2006 - 16/06/2025 07:11:28 2618021 Link 1 |
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I wouldn't hold my breath with regards to the county board
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2393 - 16/06/2025 13:11:06 2618241 Link 0 |
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Sadly, neither would I. Let's hope to be pleasantly surprised.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 468 - 16/06/2025 13:47:46 2618275 Link 0 |