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Dublin play Roscommon next Sunday in Croke Park. The counties played out an exciting All Ireland semi final in 1979 which Dublin won by a point. Roscommon were League champions and Dublin were bidding to qualify for their sixth All Ireland final in a row which they did. Roscommon scored the only goal of the game through Micheal Finneran and it was goal of the season on RTE. Does anybody know how I could get a video of that All Ireland semi final from 1979. It was televised live by Rte at the time. I would love to watch that match back again. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2168 - 24/05/2023 05:20:42 2481114 Link
Roscommon will need to find another Mayo level performance, have a defensive game plan, maintain it to a high level and hope for Dublin to be a bit flat after the Louth cake walk. If Dublin put in another Kildare game performance or are even any degree below par, Roscommon are every bit capable of punishing Dublin and continuing their good form. No doubting it's Dublin's biggest test yet, Dessie can't be fiddling much, name the strongest panel possible that's available to him. Unfortunately not sure if Jack McCaffrey will be available.. Time for the Championship side to take shape now and hoping to see Brian Howard front and centre soon, Murchan, Mick Fitz and Scully, time to bring it all together, the bench is looking better this year. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/05/2023 12:26:32 2481208 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Roscommon will need to find another Mayo level performance, have a defensive game plan, maintain it to a high level and hope for Dublin to be a bit flat after the Louth cake walk. If Dublin put in another Kildare game performance or are even any degree below par, Roscommon are every bit capable of punishing Dublin and continuing their good form. No doubting it's Dublin's biggest test yet, Dessie can't be fiddling much, name the strongest panel possible that's available to him. Unfortunately not sure if Jack McCaffrey will be available.. Time for the Championship side to take shape now and hoping to see Brian Howard front and centre soon, Murchan, Mick Fitz and Scully, time to bring it all together, the bench is looking better this year." It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10 tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 24/05/2023 20:27:39 2481367 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10" Kildare a few weeks ago used "rope a dope" tactics against Dublin losing by 2 in a match they led by long stages. Kildare since drew with Sligo. Louth tried a full court press against Dublin in the recent Leinster final and were picked off with 5 goals, Kildare tried similar in last years Leinster final with the same result and amount of goals conceded. First and foremost you have to be well set up defensively to stand any chance of having a competitive match against Dublin in Croke Park and that includes getting match ups right on their main players such as Fenton,O'Callaghan and if he starts Jack mcCafferty Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 24/05/2023 22:27:35 2481381 Link
Replying To endgame: "Dublin play Roscommon next Sunday in Croke Park. The counties played out an exciting All Ireland semi final in 1979 which Dublin won by a point. Roscommon were League champions and Dublin were bidding to qualify for their sixth All Ireland final in a row which they did. Roscommon scored the only goal of the game through Micheal Finneran and it was goal of the season on RTE. Does anybody know how I could get a video of that All Ireland semi final from 1979. It was televised live by Rte at the time. I would love to watch that match back again." Might be on Reeling In The Years for 1979 Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 24/05/2023 22:57:52 2481389 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10" Meath, Kildare and Louth have all tried the full court press over the last 5 years on Dublin and also got their *** handed to them. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon)** - Posts: 787 - 24/05/2023 23:52:16 2481393 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10" I see the baron is yet to get over Mayo's loss to Roscommon last month. SpanishRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 20 - 25/05/2023 08:00:59 2481405 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "Kildare a few weeks ago used "rope a dope" tactics against Dublin losing by 2 in a match they led by long stages. Kildare since drew with Sligo. Louth tried a full court press against Dublin in the recent Leinster final and were picked off with 5 goals, Kildare tried similar in last years Leinster final with the same result and amount of goals conceded. First and foremost you have to be well set up defensively to stand any chance of having a competitive match against Dublin in Croke Park and that includes getting match ups right on their main players such as Fenton,O'Callaghan and if he starts Jack mcCafferty" Kildare are throwback to years ago when mediocre teams went out with objective of not losing rather than having any real idea of how to win. Doesn't seem to matter who they are playing either. Even Sligo - and i mean absolutely no disrespect to them, it's more a reference to their lack of experience against teams in higher tiers - should have beaten them when the "system" began to fall apart. Dublin will hammer the living bejayus out of them in Kilkenny and they'll probably be depending on points difference to get a third spot, with Dublin already qualified and having no reason to do similar to the Sligo men :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 25/05/2023 09:01:57 2481420 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10" I would agree with that, Think if we can hold the score to under 10 in Croker it would be a decent result. Have been hammered on a few occasions up there sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1145 - 25/05/2023 12:36:02 2481484 Link
Replying To SpanishRossie: "I see the baron is yet to get over Mayo's loss to Roscommon last month." I haven't got over Derek Duggan's free in 1991 yet ffs. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 25/05/2023 13:14:15 2481500 Link
Dublin by 3 or 4 points. I'm not seeing yet why Dublin are stronger All Ireland favourites than Galway or Kerry. And if they're a bit overrated at this point, for me, Davy Burke and Martin McHugh on The Rossies sideline are very underrated coaches. So Dublin but not by a huge score against a Roscommon team preparing for this game in the long grass. Never underestimate them. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7349 - 25/05/2023 13:55:22 2481520 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Dublin by 3 or 4 points. I'm not seeing yet why Dublin are stronger All Ireland favourites than Galway or Kerry. And if they're a bit overrated at this point, for me, Davy Burke and Martin McHugh on The Rossies sideline are very underrated coaches. So Dublin but not by a huge score against a Roscommon team preparing for this game in the long grass. Never underestimate them." Betting is meaningless at this stage, All of the contenders will be in quarter finals barring some weirdness. You'd want to have your head examined to be backing anyone when there's 7 games left to win it, at least. and odds will be little different at end of the group stages unless one of the bog boys is bust. I'd be waiting until then to have a punt. All shadow boxing until they start to play one another in knock out. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 25/05/2023 15:29:57 2481558 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Dublin by 3 or 4 points. I'm not seeing yet why Dublin are stronger All Ireland favourites than Galway or Kerry. And if they're a bit overrated at this point, for me, Davy Burke and Martin McHugh on The Rossies sideline are very underrated coaches. So Dublin but not by a huge score against a Roscommon team preparing for this game in the long grass. Never underestimate them." That grass would want to be very long the next day tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 25/05/2023 16:46:28 2481581 Link
Big boys not bog boys, lest i be accused of ethnoentrism. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 25/05/2023 16:58:59 2481586 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Kildare are throwback to years ago when mediocre teams went out with objective of not losing rather than having any real idea of how to win. Doesn't seem to matter who they are playing either. Even Sligo - and i mean absolutely no disrespect to them, it's more a reference to their lack of experience against teams in higher tiers - should have beaten them when the "system" began to fall apart. Dublin will hammer the living bejayus out of them in Kilkenny and they'll probably be depending on points difference to get a third spot, with Dublin already qualified and having no reason to do similar to the Sligo men :-)" Kildare took the game to Dublin in Croke Park and went all out for the win. Dublin played as well as they were let that day. A little better game management and experience at the end and Dublin were out of the Leinster Championship. Our performance against Sligo was poor and no point trying to dress it up any other way. Nowlan Park will be a different game, if Dublin get a result there they will have to earn it. I certainly hope Desssie Farrell and his merry band turn up with your attitude... LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 93 - 25/05/2023 17:24:31 2481606 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "I would agree with that, Think if we can hold the score to under 10 in Croker it would be a decent result. Have been hammered on a few occasions up there" If we lose by over 10 points I think it will say more about ourselves with a system meltdown and lads throwing in the towel long before the final whistle. We have played against 9 Div 1 opposition in league and championship so far this year and competitive in every one of them our biggest defeat was to Galway by 4 points a match we led midway through the 2nd half and if Galway was to play Dublin this weekend it would be a competitive contest pretty much guaranteed. Croke Park in the championship hasn't been a happy hunting ground for us since 1980. Big scores conceded too often, puzzling why that's the case as the "wide open spaces" excuse of Croke Park can't be used with us when Dr Hyde Park pitch is the same size and since relaided in 2016 a fast moving surface. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3758 - 25/05/2023 17:26:14 2481607 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's much easier to do the "rope a dope" tactics in Castledar. It's 20m shorter than Croker. Everyone who played Dublin in Croker and parked the bus has had their arses handed to them since 2014. Only a full court press works against Dublin. Note sure Roscommon have the defenders to handle Dublin's forwards one on one Dublin by 10" Plenty of dopes roped that day..lol moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1080 - 25/05/2023 17:54:22 2481609 Link
Replying To The_analyser: "If we lose by over 10 points I think it will say more about ourselves with a system meltdown and lads throwing in the towel long before the final whistle. We have played against 9 Div 1 opposition in league and championship so far this year and competitive in every one of them our biggest defeat was to Galway by 4 points a match we led midway through the 2nd half and if Galway was to play Dublin this weekend it would be a competitive contest pretty much guaranteed. Croke Park in the championship hasn't been a happy hunting ground for us since 1980. Big scores conceded too often, puzzling why that's the case as the "wide open spaces" excuse of Croke Park can't be used with us when Dr Hyde Park pitch is the same size and since relaided in 2016 a fast moving surface." I've never really got the "wide open spaces" in Croke Park commentary either. I think its more to do with the pitch always being pretty quick - you never get a heavy pitch there compared to many county grounds. Anyone slightly off the pace gets found out a lot quicker. I can't see Davy Burke setting Roscommon up in any way that you'll be beaten by 10 points. It will be a close game. I think Kildare did an OK job against Dublin in the Leinster Semi Final and could have won that one. I expect Roscommon will put themselves in the same situation - if Dublin bring the same shooting boots they had against Kildare; Roscommon will win - but I'd say the Dubs have had some shooting practice since then. Dublin by 3. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 287 - 26/05/2023 14:14:46 2481737 Link
Replying To brianb: "I've never really got the "wide open spaces" in Croke Park commentary either. I think its more to do with the pitch always being pretty quick - you never get a heavy pitch there compared to many county grounds. Anyone slightly off the pace gets found out a lot quicker. I can't see Davy Burke setting Roscommon up in any way that you'll be beaten by 10 points. It will be a close game. I think Kildare did an OK job against Dublin in the Leinster Semi Final and could have won that one. I expect Roscommon will put themselves in the same situation - if Dublin bring the same shooting boots they had against Kildare; Roscommon will win - but I'd say the Dubs have had some shooting practice since then. Dublin by 3." It's more about what Roscommon will do to blunt the influencd of Dublin's shooting boots. Any team can look good uf they're let. This is a Roscommon team that did well in Division One. Against not the Dublin team of 7 or 8 years ago. But that bought back Cluxton, Mannion,McCafferty and McCafferty's injured. All class players in their pomp but past their best. While that best was in the greatest team of them all some have illusions that this team is anything nearly as good as that Dublin team. I don't thing they bring the fear factor they once had. Minimising the influence of James McCarthy should be high on Rossies priorities and similar for any team that plays them. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7349 - 26/05/2023 15:41:50 2481772 Link
Replying To brianb: "I've never really got the "wide open spaces" in Croke Park commentary either. I think its more to do with the pitch always being pretty quick - you never get a heavy pitch there compared to many county grounds. Anyone slightly off the pace gets found out a lot quicker. I can't see Davy Burke setting Roscommon up in any way that you'll be beaten by 10 points. It will be a close game. I think Kildare did an OK job against Dublin in the Leinster Semi Final and could have won that one. I expect Roscommon will put themselves in the same situation - if Dublin bring the same shooting boots they had against Kildare; Roscommon will win - but I'd say the Dubs have had some shooting practice since then. Dublin by 3." The question of pitch sizes got me thinking and i used Dr Google to do some comparisons. I have a feeling that the dimensions quoted are for the full grass area rather than the playing area ( which would be better) , as McHale Park is quoted as 137m long but looking at footage of Sligo v Galway game there is definitely not 7m between the 65s. Having said that this is what I could find.. Castlebar 137m x 82m Thurles 145m x 80m Dublin 145m x 88m This means that Croke Park is 1526 square metres bigger than McHale Park ( over a third of an acre). Thats a lot of ground if it converts even closely in terms of on pitch differential. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/05/2023 16:14:56 2481784 Link