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Derry v Armagh - 2023 Ulster SFC Final

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Replying To artisan:  "I would imagine McGeeney has to becoming under pressure. A lot of money spent and precious little to show for it."
don't agree, he has elevated the county team as contenders and has helped the gate receipts for County Board,
your comment is a bit harsh. Tough week in Armagh after losing on penalties.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 16/05/2023 11:08:08    2478902

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "Biting? Where did you see that?"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html

Cant say we would be shocked.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 16/05/2023 12:02:10    2478930

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Replying To Joxer:  "Awful football. Hand passing in your own half for 4m, venture forward at snails pace, get dragged down. Rinse, repeat. Drama yes, football no. As for the colour clash. Good God. In this day and age, unforgivable."
Anybody know the stat's on hand passing in the two matches on Sunday. I'll volunteer to watch the Ulster final again no bother, definitely not watching Leinster.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 16/05/2023 13:22:00    2478962

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Anybody know the stat's on hand passing in the two matches on Sunday. I'll volunteer to watch the Ulster final again no bother, definitely not watching Leinster."
To be honest, I'd fast-forward through the first 60m of the Ulster Final, it was muck. There were 25 scores at FT. There were 41 in the Leinster Final which says something about the speed of transition in both games. Dublin scored 5-16 from play. Louth scored 8 from play. TBH neither game was a fantastic spectacle but I'll take a quicker moving more free scoring game any day over basketball passing rotation on the edge of a defensive 3 point line at the 45m line with players afraid of their lives to kick a ball.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/05/2023 14:29:01    2478987

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Anybody know the stat's on hand passing in the two matches on Sunday. I'll volunteer to watch the Ulster final again no bother, definitely not watching Leinster."
Jesus but I hope your getting well paid to watch that Ulster final again! It's

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 16/05/2023 14:39:05    2478992

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Replying To countyman2022:  "https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html

Cant say we would be shocked."
Countryman, did you read the article... look at the noted previous incidents.

Ulster football may be more competitive than most but to imply that this is normal stuff in Ulster is baseless

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 16/05/2023 14:52:35    2478997

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Connacht is the only party in town

Zucker (Leitrim) - Posts: 156 - 16/05/2023 15:10:37    2479003

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Replying To Joxer:  "To be honest, I'd fast-forward through the first 60m of the Ulster Final, it was muck. There were 25 scores at FT. There were 41 in the Leinster Final which says something about the speed of transition in both games. Dublin scored 5-16 from play. Louth scored 8 from play. TBH neither game was a fantastic spectacle but I'll take a quicker moving more free scoring game any day over basketball passing rotation on the edge of a defensive 3 point line at the 45m line with players afraid of their lives to kick a ball."
Don't think anyone on the Dublin team could swing over points like Shea Mc Guigan, David Clifford or Ryan O Neill.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 16/05/2023 15:24:13    2479009

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Bit late to this, but what was the story with the stupid colour clash? I'm colour-blind and although I could tell the difference in the colours, others with different types of colour blindness could have been in bother. Also, I was trying to introduce my young lad to the game and even he was calling both teams' jerseys red, and he's not colour-blind. Don't Derry normally wear white with a red stripe? Couldn't they have just left it at that?

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 16/05/2023 15:42:14    2479017

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Don't think anyone on the Dublin team could swing over points like Shea Mc Guigan, David Clifford or Ryan O Neill."
Now I know you're joking.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/05/2023 16:07:16    2479026

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Replying To countyman2022:  "https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html

Cant say we would be shocked."
Just like we aren't shocked that them Oulart the Ballagh boys are still suspended for thuggery

armaghfan02 (Armagh) - Posts: 39 - 16/05/2023 17:13:25    2479049

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Replying To Joxer:  "To be honest, I'd fast-forward through the first 60m of the Ulster Final, it was muck. There were 25 scores at FT. There were 41 in the Leinster Final which says something about the speed of transition in both games. Dublin scored 5-16 from play. Louth scored 8 from play. TBH neither game was a fantastic spectacle but I'll take a quicker moving more free scoring game any day over basketball passing rotation on the edge of a defensive 3 point line at the 45m line with players afraid of their lives to kick a ball."
After you saying that neither game was a great spectacle I'm assuming that in order for you to enjoy a game of football it must be both competitive and free flowing?
That's such a small percentage of games these days you're nearly wasting your time even following the sport.
I can't get over the negativity surrounding the ulster final.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 16/05/2023 19:16:50    2479092

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Bit late to this, but what was the story with the stupid colour clash? I'm colour-blind and although I could tell the difference in the colours, others with different types of colour blindness could have been in bother. Also, I was trying to introduce my young lad to the game and even he was calling both teams' jerseys red, and he's not colour-blind. Don't Derry normally wear white with a red stripe? Couldn't they have just left it at that?"
Same here, I have seen in other provinces BOTH teams changing jerseys but Dery v Armagh was ridiculous.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 16/05/2023 19:44:26    2479098

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Replying To Galway9801:  "After you saying that neither game was a great spectacle I'm assuming that in order for you to enjoy a game of football it must be both competitive and free flowing?
That's such a small percentage of games these days you're nearly wasting your time even following the sport.
I can't get over the negativity surrounding the ulster final."
One lives in hope. Obviously a great game would be one that is free flowing and competitive would you not agree? In which case most of us are probably wasting our time. We attend to support our counties and in the hope of seeing a great game. Mostly we don't. Great games are few and far between these days, due to what we are told is the "evolution of the game".

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/05/2023 21:33:52    2479123

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Replying To Joxer:  "To be honest, I'd fast-forward through the first 60m of the Ulster Final, it was muck. There were 25 scores at FT. There were 41 in the Leinster Final which says something about the speed of transition in both games. Dublin scored 5-16 from play. Louth scored 8 from play. TBH neither game was a fantastic spectacle but I'll take a quicker moving more free scoring game any day over basketball passing rotation on the edge of a defensive 3 point line at the 45m line with players afraid of their lives to kick a ball."
You call that Leinster final a "game"? Bad defending and cheap scores - I'd imagine a Dublin A v B match would be more competitive than that.

The Kildare Dublin semi had fewer scores than the final, but was a far better game for a neutral.

And when Dublin are up against a better team, you'll notice they rarely take % shots - if you look at Dublin's scoring position stats in recent years, they rarely do Clifford style spectaculars - it's all about working the ball into an un-missable position. So to have a go at the Derry and Armagh teams for doing just that is a bit rich.

There is this obsession in GAA circles with high scores, as if a high-scoring game must always be a "great" game.

I've never bought that. Far too often, it's a sign of a game with rubbish defending.

To be a good game, I want to see good defending and good scoring. Defending is an art, and I enjoy seeing it done well.

I sometimes get the impression that some traditional GAA fans would prefer to have a game where defending had been largely outlawed, and then we could all shout "OLE" every 30 seconds as yet another cheap score is registered.

Dublin looked very sharp in the final, but the game was over after 15 minutes, not worth watching. Even Farrell was half apologising afterwards. You might expect that sort of mismatch in a provincial first round, but to see that sort of a hammering in a provincial final was depressing.

All the fast transitions were largely down to Louth having decided to abandon the idea of defending and naturally Dublin (who also looked very fit) took advantage.

Dublin looked very sharp and as a Dublin fan you'd be of course pleased, but as a spectacle for a neutral, forget it - I switched it off; it was like watching a car crash.

There is no merit in a big heap of scores per se - to be worth anything, to mean anything, scores must be carved out of a good opposition defence. Otherwise, any athlete with reasonable feet could have scored them.

A decent game should have tight defending and decent scores. And in a game with tight defending, you simply do not get silly scores.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 239 - 16/05/2023 21:55:01    2479126

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Am I the only one that thinks the first 60 wasn't that bad. Thought it was riveting enough. Don't really need to watch gung ho football for it to be enjoyable

thebronze14 (Donegal) - Posts: 41 - 17/05/2023 09:19:12    2479150

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "You call that Leinster final a "game"? Bad defending and cheap scores - I'd imagine a Dublin A v B match would be more competitive than that.

The Kildare Dublin semi had fewer scores than the final, but was a far better game for a neutral.

And when Dublin are up against a better team, you'll notice they rarely take % shots - if you look at Dublin's scoring position stats in recent years, they rarely do Clifford style spectaculars - it's all about working the ball into an un-missable position. So to have a go at the Derry and Armagh teams for doing just that is a bit rich.

There is this obsession in GAA circles with high scores, as if a high-scoring game must always be a "great" game.

I've never bought that. Far too often, it's a sign of a game with rubbish defending.

To be a good game, I want to see good defending and good scoring. Defending is an art, and I enjoy seeing it done well.

I sometimes get the impression that some traditional GAA fans would prefer to have a game where defending had been largely outlawed, and then we could all shout "OLE" every 30 seconds as yet another cheap score is registered.

Dublin looked very sharp in the final, but the game was over after 15 minutes, not worth watching. Even Farrell was half apologising afterwards. You might expect that sort of mismatch in a provincial first round, but to see that sort of a hammering in a provincial final was depressing.

All the fast transitions were largely down to Louth having decided to abandon the idea of defending and naturally Dublin (who also looked very fit) took advantage.

Dublin looked very sharp and as a Dublin fan you'd be of course pleased, but as a spectacle for a neutral, forget it - I switched it off; it was like watching a car crash.

There is no merit in a big heap of scores per se - to be worth anything, to mean anything, scores must be carved out of a good opposition defence. Otherwise, any athlete with reasonable feet could have scored them.

A decent game should have tight defending and decent scores. And in a game with tight defending, you simply do not get silly scores."
Each to their own. I want to see quick transition, kick passing, a used full forward line, goal chances and saves, great fielding. Give me that any day over a close "fascinating" game of slow tag rugby. The ideal of course is to have all of the attributes above plus a competitive game. That will come in the AI series. But sure every game would be close and competitive with both teams hand passing around the opposition 45 for 70m afraid to kick a ball. It's something but it ain't football.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/05/2023 11:21:11    2479212

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Replying To thebronze14:  "Am I the only one that thinks the first 60 wasn't that bad. Thought it was riveting enough. Don't really need to watch gung ho football for it to be enjoyable"
Definitely not, most GAA football fans thought it was what we needed. Even Tomas O Shea was raving about it. It had everything especially great scores. Players with skill not afraid to shoot from more than 35 yards. You couldn't watch teams bringing the ball to within 20 yards from goal where your granny would kick them over.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 17/05/2023 11:59:50    2479226

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Wow what a game. Pity that such a hard fought, enthralling contest would be decided by those watery, long drawn out penalties. But I suppose it would have been worse had it been decided by an advanced mark, which Grugan failed to convert. Who is making these changes to our game?

What a performance from McGuigan. He is up there with the best in the country. In general the Derry lads seem like a sound bunch so I was happy to see them win it.

Both teams should be able to relax a bit now and work their way through the next few weeks of shadowboxing. Armagh need to beat Westmeath at home and they need to be careful as Westmeath have some dangerous forwards on their day. Would like to see Derry get a crack at Kerry at some stage.

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 17/05/2023 12:51:15    2479238

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Replying To Joxer:  "One lives in hope. Obviously a great game would be one that is free flowing and competitive would you not agree? In which case most of us are probably wasting our time. We attend to support our counties and in the hope of seeing a great game. Mostly we don't. Great games are few and far between these days, due to what we are told is the "evolution of the game"."
I agree that evolution can often be a buzzword some people use to describe something that is actually changing for the worse,, but honestly so long as a game is in the balance towards the end of the game then I'm reasonably happy.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 17/05/2023 14:53:17    2479273

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