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Did you watch the Dublin v Roscommon match recently in CP? Good open football from Dublin? I won't repeat what Pat Spillane would call it!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 05/07/2023 10:45:56 2492341 Link 0 |
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The media are complacent. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 05/07/2023 10:55:55 2492349 Link 3 |
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Get over yourself lad.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 05/07/2023 11:03:42 2492352 Link 1 |
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Dublin to win.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 05/07/2023 11:48:55 2492376 Link 1 |
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The money thing has been going on for years. The figures are there to be seen for everyone. On spending money I think it's obvious a team like Kerry that gets to an ireland final and their hurlers who get to a Joe McDonagh final and league finals are going to spend away more on travels and hotels that Dublin Meath or Kildare persais who don't have that headache. Common sense! Galway being a dual county and playing all their hurling in Leinster would cost big money. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 05/07/2023 11:51:25 2492379 Link 1 |
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I'd say that's tongue in cheek from you User as you as it was them or you that were going down. Knowing you you ré on the wind up.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 05/07/2023 11:56:03 2492380 Link 0 |
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No disputing the organisational merits of Dublin GAA at all....its the exact point I am making. They are the envy of many. Its ran in professional manner. Its funny to see Dublin fans deny the reality of this and claim its not a professional set up. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 12:57:01 2492400 Link 1 |
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Indeed. 1. Read the post again....never once claimed the players are paid. Its the org structure and staff and support that are paid (and have to be paid of course)....Dublin can have many more physios, doctors, nutritionists, data analysers etc...etc. I would have thought this is obvious to all. Once again...a professional set up. 2. He sure isnt....You brought him up. In return I simply stated teaching is a career that benefits an IC player. Stephen Cluxton has an additional advantage of having his work and training being very close to each other. There are of course examples in every IC team of this exact scenario. Conor McManus lives and works in Monaghan....Aidan O'Shea lives and works in Mayo etc. You and I both know in the teams outside of Dublin...many players have to commute back to Kerry, Mayo, Donegal etc from their jobs in Dublin. This is rarely an issue for a Dublin player...thats just life but a plus for them nonetheless. 3. Ok so only 800K per year...for the last 10 years? From just one of the sponsors....Have Kerry group done that each year too? Almost as if its a financial advantage there also. Who would have thought that? Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 13:23:58 2492404 Link 1 |
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Dublin have received approx 20 million from the GAA in the last 10 years. Good for them Monaghan have received 1 million in that same time. Not all bad either. Funding per capita....seriously? Try funding per player or per club maybe and see how it looks. I don't have the money for a greenhouse. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 13:44:18 2492410 Link 0 |
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Any recommendations where I could source Premium Level tickets for the Dub/Mon game? MuineachanAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 660 - 05/07/2023 13:50:44 2492413 Link 0 |
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It sounds like you are getting your excuses in early. No inter county team can function without finance and Monaghan are no different. As I mentioned earlier teams who have aspirations to compete for All Ireland's all have their houses in order, not just Dublin. Kerry and Mayo make huge profits; over a million euro despite spending eye watering sums on their inter county teams. I would agree on the wider point, it's a pity finance plays such a big part but the other top counties are not in a position to link finance alone to Dublin's success and I would include Monaghan in that, who's senior team is well financed and also have excellent facilities. Dublin and Kerry will always have better players than the rest and if at any one time they have all the off field issues sorted then it spells trouble for the rest. It's the best players given the best possibility of success that wins out despite any system other teams try to develop to stop them on the field. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 05/07/2023 14:04:59 2492419 Link 1 |
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RTE? They seem to have no problem sourcing tickets for high profile events.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 05/07/2023 14:13:41 2492423 Link 3 |
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Mayo Dublin Cork Galway Tipperary Roscommon and Kerry all topped €1million spending on their "flagship" teams way back as far as 2016, Mayo leading the way on €1.6m. At least Dublin Cork and Galway's could be mitigated by having big football and hurling commitments. So just for football the biggest spenders Mayo, Rossies and Kerry.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 05/07/2023 14:19:05 2492429 Link 1 |
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Your figures are a bit off on the sums. But even despite the hyperbole, the figures you state above. Still mean Monaghan receive more funding per capita. Why not per capita - the funding is for games development and attract people to games - that's the purpose, surely there are boys and girls not involved in Gaelic Games in clubs this funding should apply to? Turns out Kids in Monghan have a better chance then almost anywhere else. Truth is Monaghan are one of the best funded counties per head in Ireland. I dont mind personally, but there are some that would raise the argument that their performance over the last 10 years has been correlated to high level of financial provision. Personally i dont go in for that point of view, but as you see with my own county and terms bandied around like "professional" they are easily and lazily made. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 05/07/2023 14:21:54 2492431 Link 3 |
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It's all relative though isn't it? Galway spent more on IC last year than any county, I think it was Mayo the year before. Most IC squads these days prepare like professionals, all have fitness coaches, nutritionists, analysts etc. The combined Munster spend in 2022 was €8.8m Tipp spent €1.8m, Limerick almost €2m, Cork €1.7m, Kerry €1.4m. Are you saying that these aren't professionally prepared counties? You're damn right they are.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 05/07/2023 14:25:29 2492435 Link 3 |
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That may well be Mick, but its on my mind and it will be on the players minds as well when they face Monaghan and they will be reminded of that i can guarantee. We chalked one off the hit list last weekend and why not settle a score when you can - its competitive sport after all. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 05/07/2023 14:34:49 2492439 Link 4 |
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Its why I refer to spend over a 10 year period. Its clear that there are varying levels year on year. Btw the gulf between Dublin and the next best funded county is 16 million. And this is only funding from the GAA I am listing. Sponsorship numbers not included. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 14:37:45 2492440 Link 0 |
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Games development is one part of the funding, its not the entire figure....You know that right? A serious person knows per capita is a nonsense. Ireland is the richest country in the world per capita. Look at the funding on a per club basis if you want to average it out....its hardly ideal either but its more realistic. These views are bandied about for a reason....its true. When all the other counties have the same levels of paid staff and an actual CEO then we can look at things differently. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 14:54:37 2492448 Link 0 |
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No need to make an excuse. Paddy power can tell you the reality of a possible win for Monaghan....theres always a chance. I believe, given the right circumstance, we could shock the masses....buts its not the most probable outcome. As for the rest....I don't disagree at all. Monaghan are really well ran, well funded etc. The truth is....and to use a comparison outside our games. Monaghan are like Crystal Palace, Dublin are Man City. The vast majority of times we will get beat comprehensively (2 hammerings so far in the championship in recent years)....but a fixture that matters less to the big blue machine and we can hold our own (league games over the last few years show this). The reality applies should Monaghan face up against a team further down the scale, Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 05/07/2023 15:12:45 2492456 Link 1 |
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Like I said, it's all relative. The original point that was made, or implied, by somebody was that money equals success. Obviously that's nonsense and that point continues to be disproved time and time by counties investing highly and not progressing beyond AIQFs in some cases. What's the gap between Mayo and Leitrim over that period or Kerry and Waterford or Kildare and Carlow and so on? Almost all counties are prepared professionally and have centres of excellence, or access to them, as well as top level coaching and backroom teams. In football there have been 3 different AI champions in the last 3 years.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 05/07/2023 16:27:03 2492485 Link 4 |