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What a dark day for football that would be.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 03/07/2023 11:17:40 2491725 Link 0 |
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Calling all Monaghan lads in the hill on Saturday, will you be as brave on Saturday week? Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 03/07/2023 11:29:50 2491731 Link 2 |
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I think it's the final the public want too. At least they both play attacking football. Ulster football is in dire straits with mind boggling negative tactics and Derry and Monaghan plus Armagh/ Tyrone are sore on the eye . Least we will have a proper final. Wake up Ulster and start playing football and get rid of lazy negative coaches who are destroying the game Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 03/07/2023 11:36:11 2491737 Link 1 |
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Two Division 1 teams and two Division 2 are left standing after the last three big weekends have reduced 15, Clare were already eliminated, to 4. The two Division 2 teams then are provincial champions and group winners. The two Division 2 teams are also undefeated across the provincial championships and All-Ireland series. It is very understandable that Dublin and Derry are the raging hot favourites. Monaghan and Kerry will be hoping for the best. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7847 - 03/07/2023 11:40:45 2491741 Link 0 |
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Agree. Being from the north shouldn't mean we can't be honest with ourselves. Ulster football is dire. Competitive but an eyesore all the same. Give me Dublin v Kerry all day long.
artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 03/07/2023 11:41:36 2491742 Link 2 |
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Could be worse, we could be subjected to two Ulster teams hand passing their way around their own D for 70m. They're becoming more like athletics teams doing bleep tests in sprinting back into their own 45 than footballers. Radical change of tactics needed in Ulster. Let the footballers play football.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/07/2023 11:48:57 2491745 Link 2 |
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Let the footballers play football. Derry and Armagh's tactics were staggering at the weekend. Even Canavan was blown away with it and he's as biased towards any team from Ulster as they come.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/07/2023 11:51:58 2491748 Link 2 |
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Easy to say when you have Con O'Callaghan, Colm Basquel, Ciaran Kilkenny, James McCarthy, Paul Mannion, Brian Fenton, Brian Howard, Dean Rock etc etc. Dublin and Kerry have serious depth and some outrageous talent. Derry and Monaghan have some excellent players- two or three top class but are limited in other areas. It's a bit like the Irish soccer team. Everyone wanted them to play good football and that has worked out so well for them. You have to cut your cloth accordingly. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 156 - 03/07/2023 11:57:26 2491752 Link 3 |
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Dublin can be as negative as any of them. Note the way they played Keep Ball for most of the last Quarter of a recent Final v Mayo
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 03/07/2023 12:06:35 2491754 Link 1 |
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With one all ireland win in a decade, ulster football should start asking themselves if the tactics work. If Monaghan and Derry are bate out the gate in the semi finals for instance, it would seem illogical to persist with the same football next year. artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 03/07/2023 12:15:37 2491759 Link 0 |
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It looks like two straightforward semis, easy dublin and kerry wins, kerry and dublin seem to have timed it well, both coming into form at the right time, monaghan will have to make it very ugly to get close to dublin, likewise derry, I give derry a slightly better chance as I think they have more potential to score. But it would be very hard to see either ulster County win. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1594 - 03/07/2023 12:17:21 2491760 Link 0 |
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Did you miss the Dublin team giving up the Mayo kick outs in the 2nd half yesterday because they were sprinting back to their own half?
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 802 - 03/07/2023 12:23:35 2491766 Link 2 |
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I'd agree with this to some extent, although I do think certain teams like Armagh could achieve more with a better style of play. What's interesting is that at underage the Ulster teams are playing good football and it's paying dividends. Anyone who saw Omagh CBS in this year's Hogan Cup had to be impressed. They played some brilliant direct football, mixed with a powerful running game and ran up huge scores. At minor this year, Derry have played some lovely stuff and easily beat Galway and Dublin. The Monaghan minors have also been involved in a few classics. The Tyrone team which won at U20 last year played a very exciting brand too. All of these teams were extremely successful while playing this style. They obviously had the talent of players to do it, but you'd hope it comes through at senior level. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 03/07/2023 12:34:10 2491772 Link 0 |
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Kerry won their 2014 All Ireland by packing the defence, fighting in the trenches, and hitting on the break. They were lauded as tactical geniuses for it. Dublin held the ball for minutes at a time in 2018 and refused to kick from anywhere outside 30m - similarly they were praised. Just sayin...
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 03/07/2023 12:54:08 2491779 Link 1 |
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What minute of the game was that in and what was the Dublin score? There's a difference between managing out a game with 10m to go and a strategy. Derry's half was like a London bus car park for 90m while Armagh's looked like an Orange Order AGM. They seem to have a Plan A and then a Plan A. A pair of boots must last the players 4 seasons because they never kick a ball with them.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/07/2023 12:54:57 2491781 Link 3 |
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It's a fair point but we'll never know if these teams have Mannions or Cliffords because they're never allowed to play and there's no service. Imagine Mannion and Con in a team that sat inside their own 45 for 65m of a game. Would they be the players that they are today? These lads want to play football. They would have joined an athletics club if they wanted to run up and down all day and not be allowed to kick a ball. I think the key is adaptability.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/07/2023 13:02:31 2491784 Link 3 |
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They didn't give up on them when the game was to be won though. They squeezed the Mayo kickout at the start of the 2nd half and made hay from it, kicking 1-03 inside 5 minutes. That was essentially the winning of the game. Once they had the cushion, they naturally took far fewer risks. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 03/07/2023 13:10:34 2491787 Link 2 |
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But that's the thing, when you have the Clifford's and Seanie O'Shea or all those I listed for Dublin then you can be fairly confident you will outscore anyone who wants to attack you and leave those guys space. Now I do agree Armagh we're far too negative on Saturday and have been all year but Derry play like they do because we just don't have the firepower to do what a Kerry or Dublin can. I actually think a team like Galway would suit a less structured game. They have serious firepower as well. Tyrone were all over the place on Saturday but have real quality forwards so one to keep an eye on. As I say though for Derry our strength is back to middle. We have excellent Defenders and one of the best midfields in the country. But once you take Shane McGuigan out of it the drop in quality is fairly alarming. McFaul and Doherty probably just a level below top class. Cassidy the same. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 156 - 03/07/2023 13:45:46 2491817 Link 0 |
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Easy to say when your county has received 16 million Euros from Croke Park to upgrade your coaching and training facilities. It's no coincidence Dublin were resurrected after massive investment. Look at Dublin compared to Antrim and Belfast. Night and day.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 03/07/2023 13:52:07 2491820 Link 0 |
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One of the funniest posts I've read in a long time. You're a gas man legendz:-D
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 03/07/2023 13:53:20 2491821 Link 3 |