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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2023

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd agree. There was a lot of talk of there being no jeopardy in the round robin, but as a Galway supporter finishing second instead of first had a huge impact on our season.
Overall no major complaints with the format. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years."
This year's format is very fair. Group winners qualify for the quarter-finals. The 4th placed teams are eliminated. The middle 2 playoff for the quarter-finals. Very fair and helps provide 4 rounds of knockout. The preliminary quarter-finals set the scene for the quarter-finals. Tullamore, PUC, Galway and Ballybofey got knock out rounds last weekend. Great games for provincial grounds.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 02/07/2023 22:40:23    2491600

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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "Cork are probably a couple of years behind Derry in regards development. Some really positive signs for Cork though and they did offer a stern enough test today although I never really got the feeling that Cork really believed they could win. Next year is big for Cork it would be good to see you back at the top table."
I think Derry were comfortable in their system of play & took their scores easier. As a unit impressed by Derry, we really struggled to unlock the Derry defence who were very patient & didn't give us any handy frees.

St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 121 - 02/07/2023 23:01:48    2491608

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I disappeared after our boys got hammered by Clare last week. So not going to gloat.


They are all great days, To be watching. And imagine to be on the field. And yes, a few pints!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3503 - 02/07/2023 23:17:36    2491612

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd agree. There was a lot of talk of there being no jeopardy in the round robin, but as a Galway supporter finishing second instead of first had a huge impact on our season.
Overall no major complaints with the format. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years."
Now that the next level of teams like Galway, Mayo, Tyrone see the benefits of finishing top of the round robin groups it's going to be a battlefield from the off next year with some great matches . Have to admit, I like it.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 02/07/2023 23:30:39    2491614

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Dublin-Kerry final. Monaghan are limited. Game, and have a couple of fading oldies, and have great spirit and will do their best (which is more than you could say about Tyrone, who are in dire need of an urgent change of management, just as they have been for the last 18 months, if co board could summon up the necessary ruthlessness, which is unlikely, given that they persisted with Harte for 5 years after it was obvious he could no longer deliver), but it will not even be close.

Derry are quite a good team, but - no matter what they say in public - they deep down do not believe they can win it. Insufficient tradition, and it matters when the finishing line is in sight. Kerry and Dublin are different animals in semis and finals, and to beat either in a semi or in a final is hard, and Derry do not have enough self-belief to achieve that.

So a Kerry Dublin final, and the good thing for a neutral is that it's one of those games where either team could win handsomely - or it could be v close. Because of how hard it is to call, one to look forward to - Kerry won't want a bunch of Dubs with 9 medals, that's for sure. That may be enough to tip the scales for Kerry ...

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 291 - 03/07/2023 01:00:28    2491623

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "On what basis are Kerry ranked 1 and Dublin ranked 2.

Kerry have played 8 matches v div 1 teams and lost half of them this year.
Dublin have played 1 match v div 1 teams this year and drew it.

Your Ranking system places Tradition ahead of actual performance"
Whats that you were saying about Dublin and Kerry?

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 03/07/2023 09:10:00    2491649

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "I'd disagree on the poor game - for the neutral it wasn't a shootout barnstormer extravaganza, but for Monaghan and Armagh fans it was a tense dramatic affair.

The players aren't entertainers there to earn their wage, they're representatives there to make their county proud. As a Monaghan man I was immensely proud that we won, but at the same time if we didn't get the equaliser after Rian O'Niells point I'd have walked away saying Armagh fully deserved their win after Rians bravery and skill in taking that score.

Like it or not Monaghan and Armagh just don't have the talent that Kerry Dublin and Mayo have, so we've to play a different brand of football. Where you guys are able to pick players to execute a more expansive gameplan and system - we've to create a system and make it work around the players we have available.

Different ways of doing things and full respect to Dublin for doing what they're doing. There's no reason cork shouldn't be at your level, but they're not because they're just not as well run as Dublin GAA."
Agree with most of what you say.

But wouldn't be putting Mayo in the same bracket as Kerry and Dublin when it comes to talent.

The reason they've been competitive with Kerry and Dublin over the years is their incredible athletes; lack of natural forwards has cost them more All Ireland's that I can count on one hand.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 03/07/2023 09:25:06    2491653

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I disappeared after our boys got hammered by Clare last week. So not going to gloat.


They are all great days, To be watching. And imagine to be on the field. And yes, a few pints!"
Yeah gloating is poor form. Nearly as bad as making false accusations and then not bothering to withdraw them,
If you care to check I never used to word "embarrassing" to describe our hurlers defeat at the hands of Clare. That was realdub- not me.
If you're going to be a smart a*** check your facts first.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 03/07/2023 09:38:27    2491658

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Has there ever been 4 quarter finals as poor? Armagh and Monaghan match the best of them and it wasn't down to the quality.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 03/07/2023 09:39:16    2491660

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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "I will be there in hope rather than expectation. I do think we had a couple more gears today and if we can frustrate Kerry with our defensive shape then you never know I suppose. But Kerry will target McGuigan and could keep him limited to frees with their quality. That will cause us a real problem.

In saying all that as impressive as Kerry were yesterday Tyrone were very poor and had one of those days where they didn't bring any intensity. Derry will bring that at least. I think Dublin should take care of Monaghan handy enough."
Derry will be competitive but the problem is their system is ten years too late. Kerry won't get caught by this system again, in fact part of their management team is in place for that very reason.

It isn't Derry or Monaghan's fault, both deserve respect for getting into an All Ireland Semi Final. They won't be competitive semi finals though, which is likely to be shown by the attendance and lack of neutral interest. Most people have already moved onto talking about potentially one of the best finals ever. I'm not it's good for the championship overall having two so far ahead.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/07/2023 09:52:58    2491670

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How about this coincidence!

The 4 senior semi finalists, are the exact same as the 4 minor semifinalists, with identical draws.
Derry minors beat Dublin in minor semi, Monaghan minors beat Kerry in theirs.

Derry, Dublin & Kerry, are Leinster Champs in both Senior & Minor.
Monaghan the only team to qualify for both semi's via qualifiers!

Maybe the "Man above" is conjuring something ? lol

Whats the chance of an all-Ulster senior final?..... PP will give some odds on that happening!

(ps; identical fixtures like these probably happened back in the old knock-out system & where minor matches mirrored the senior ones).

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 443 - 03/07/2023 10:02:53    2491677

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Has there ever been 4 quarter finals as poor? Armagh and Monaghan match the best of them and it wasn't down to the quality."
Maybe if Wexford got into them it would have been better.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 03/07/2023 10:15:04    2491685

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Replying To sam1884:  "Derry will be competitive but the problem is their system is ten years too late. Kerry won't get caught by this system again, in fact part of their management team is in place for that very reason.

It isn't Derry or Monaghan's fault, both deserve respect for getting into an All Ireland Semi Final. They won't be competitive semi finals though, which is likely to be shown by the attendance and lack of neutral interest. Most people have already moved onto talking about potentially one of the best finals ever. I'm not it's good for the championship overall having two so far ahead."
So after both Kerry and Dublin both had a training day out at the weekend, no disrespect to either Mayo or Tyrone but they made Dublin and Kerry look exceptionally good .. Monaghan will certainly not fear the dubs and will leave all on the field on sat wk and so will Derry against Kerry . Maybe it will be a Dublin Kerry Final but they are one game from the final as is Monaghan and Derry

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 232 - 03/07/2023 10:18:06    2491687

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Croke Park and the media potentially getting what they always wanted, a Dublin v Kerry final. It's all they really care about. Monaghan and Derry have decent players but not enough to challenge these 2. We'll be subjected to weeks of the same old boring, backslapping yarrahh yarrahh from oul Dublin/Kerry boyos from the 70s which we've heard 100 times before.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 03/07/2023 10:21:49    2491692

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Updated Power Rankings

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Monaghan
7. Armagh
8. Tyrone
9. Cork
10. Roscommon
11. Donegal
12. Kildare
13. Westmeath
14. Clare
15. Louth
16. Sligo

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 03/07/2023 10:42:28    2491708

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Replying To sam1884:  "Derry will be competitive but the problem is their system is ten years too late. Kerry won't get caught by this system again, in fact part of their management team is in place for that very reason.

It isn't Derry or Monaghan's fault, both deserve respect for getting into an All Ireland Semi Final. They won't be competitive semi finals though, which is likely to be shown by the attendance and lack of neutral interest. Most people have already moved onto talking about potentially one of the best finals ever. I'm not it's good for the championship overall having two so far ahead."
It is levelled at Derry that the system us outdated yet we are back to back Ulster champions and in the semi-finals of the Sam Maguire for the second year running. I think Derry deserve a more respect. I fully expect Kerry to give Derry that respect though. Derry's issue is that we just don't have enough firepower after Shane McGuigan. Ciaran McFaul at his best can offer something and Ethan Doherty is quality but against Kerry it will be very difficult of they nullify McGuigan.

There is no better man marker in the game than Chrissy McKaigue but he will have to be at his absolute top notch best to contain David Clifford in any way if Clifford is on it. That should be a good tussle though.

Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 03/07/2023 10:56:05    2491714

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Croke Park and the media potentially getting what they always wanted, a Dublin v Kerry final. It's all they really care about. Monaghan and Derry have decent players but not enough to challenge these 2. We'll be subjected to weeks of the same old boring, backslapping yarrahh yarrahh from oul Dublin/Kerry boyos from the 70s which we've heard 100 times before."
True. Ulsterman Boring for the rest of us, but money talks, like Neil Diamond said.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 03/07/2023 10:56:49    2491715

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Croke Park and the media potentially getting what they always wanted, a Dublin v Kerry final. It's all they really care about. Monaghan and Derry have decent players but not enough to challenge these 2. We'll be subjected to weeks of the same old boring, backslapping yarrahh yarrahh from oul Dublin/Kerry boyos from the 70s which we've heard 100 times before."
Being subjected to "the same stuff we've heard 100 times before".
A bit like us reading your posts so.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 03/07/2023 11:06:48    2491718

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "Dublin-Kerry final. Monaghan are limited. Game, and have a couple of fading oldies, and have great spirit and will do their best (which is more than you could say about Tyrone, who are in dire need of an urgent change of management, just as they have been for the last 18 months, if co board could summon up the necessary ruthlessness, which is unlikely, given that they persisted with Harte for 5 years after it was obvious he could no longer deliver), but it will not even be close.

Derry are quite a good team, but - no matter what they say in public - they deep down do not believe they can win it. Insufficient tradition, and it matters when the finishing line is in sight. Kerry and Dublin are different animals in semis and finals, and to beat either in a semi or in a final is hard, and Derry do not have enough self-belief to achieve that.

So a Kerry Dublin final, and the good thing for a neutral is that it's one of those games where either team could win handsomely - or it could be v close. Because of how hard it is to call, one to look forward to - Kerry won't want a bunch of Dubs with 9 medals, that's for sure. That may be enough to tip the scales for Kerry ..."
Insufficient tradition? Sure Tyrone won in 03 with close to zero tradition. Derry have more tradition now than Tyrone did in 2003. If Derry come up short I don't think it will be anything to do with belief but maybe more about limited squad depth and a system which lacks a Plan B.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 03/07/2023 11:13:03    2491723

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Replying To galwayford:  "Maybe if Wexford got into them it would have been better."
It probably would. Wouldn't be watching the Northern teams off the ball antics either then though.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 03/07/2023 11:16:44    2491724

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