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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "I'm trying to figure out the draw this morning and was it entirely fair
Kerry could only get Monaghan or Tyrone, so they carried out a preliminary draw to see who got them, but by putting the 2 of them in a preliminary draw, did it not then limit Tyrone's chances of getting Dublin or Derry, had it been an open draw"
Good point.

KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 26/06/2023 14:37:21    2489604

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A flaw is that group winners should avoid each other first if at all possible. Not an issue in your example but let's say Armagh, Kerry, Cork and Mayo get through to the semi-finals, Armagh and Kerry as group winners should be kept apart."
I think that would be a stretch too far. Group winners already had their bonus of getting straight to quarter finals.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2295 - 26/06/2023 14:37:45    2489605

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Replying To Saynothing:  "I think Leinster v Munster in semi final ."
No. Last year it was Leinster v Munster

KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 26/06/2023 14:39:07    2489606

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Replying To Saynothing:  "How do you work that out. 2005 Armagh v Tyrone Ulster final, 2005 Armagh v Tyrone All Ireland semi final. Goes by old system for semi finals."
The old provincial rotation system is gone. It's an open draw, subject to no repeat fixtures.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 137 - 26/06/2023 14:52:55    2489620

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On the draw this morning they said that they won't know until after the games on Sunday whether the draw for the semi-finals is required or not. They said that quarter-final results may mean it is not required.

They said something similar when the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals draw was made.

I get that repeat pairings will be avoided if possible, but I've been trying to come up with a set of results that would mean the draw won't be required. I couldn't see one in the Tailteann fixtures either.

What am I missing here?

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2023 14:53:34    2489622

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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "The old system has been done away with. It all depends on who goes through in the quarters. Say for instance it is Derry, Armagh, Kerry and Mayo. Derry can't draw Armagh as they played in the Ulster final. Kerry can't play Mayo as they met in the group stage. So that would be an automatic draw. Derry vs Kerry and Mayo vs Armagh."
Derry v Mayo and Kerry v Armagh would also be possible so there would be a draw in this instance.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 137 - 26/06/2023 14:55:55    2489623

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "The old provincial rotation system is gone. It's an open draw, subject to no repeat fixtures."
I stand corrected, thought they would have kept traditional semi final route regardless of pairing's.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2295 - 26/06/2023 15:31:59    2489647

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Replying To Greenfield:  "On the draw this morning they said that they won't know until after the games on Sunday whether the draw for the semi-finals is required or not. They said that quarter-final results may mean it is not required.

They said something similar when the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals draw was made.

I get that repeat pairings will be avoided if possible, but I've been trying to come up with a set of results that would mean the draw won't be required. I couldn't see one in the Tailteann fixtures either.

What am I missing here?"
If Kerry, Mayo and Cork ALL WIN there won't be a draw.

KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 26/06/2023 15:41:01    2489657

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Replying To KnockaineyAbú:  "If Kerry, Mayo and Cork ALL WIN there won't be a draw."
Who's going to play who then?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2297 - 26/06/2023 16:03:41    2489682

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Replying To KnockaineyAbú:  "If Kerry, Mayo and Cork ALL WIN there won't be a draw."
So what happens there?

Wouldn't there be a draw in that case to see which of those teams play each other and which one plays the other QF winner?

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2023 16:28:03    2489697

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Replying To Greenfield:  "On the draw this morning they said that they won't know until after the games on Sunday whether the draw for the semi-finals is required or not. They said that quarter-final results may mean it is not required.

They said something similar when the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals draw was made.

I get that repeat pairings will be avoided if possible, but I've been trying to come up with a set of results that would mean the draw won't be required. I couldn't see one in the Tailteann fixtures either.

What am I missing here?"
Meath and Down had to avoid each other in the semifinal draw. They put Meath and Down in one bowl. Antrim and Laois were in another bowl.
If Mayo, Kerry and Cork make the semi-finals, repeat pairings cannot be avoided and two of them will have to play each other anyway.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8792 - 26/06/2023 16:44:58    2489710

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Replying To Greenfield:  "On the draw this morning they said that they won't know until after the games on Sunday whether the draw for the semi-finals is required or not. They said that quarter-final results may mean it is not required.

They said something similar when the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals draw was made.

I get that repeat pairings will be avoided if possible, but I've been trying to come up with a set of results that would mean the draw won't be required. I couldn't see one in the Tailteann fixtures either.

What am I missing here?"
If Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry all qualified then no draw would be required as the only combination that would avoid repeat pairings would be Dublin v Armagh and Tyrone v Derry.

Dublin v Tyrone would be out as Armagh and Derry already met in the Ulster final and Dublin v Derry would be out as Armagh and Tyrone already met in the group phase.

Similarly if it were Mayo instead of Dublin with Tyrone, Armagh and Derry.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 137 - 26/06/2023 18:06:37    2489744

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Derry beat Cork
Tyrone beat Kerry
Monaghan beat Armagh

Monaghan can't play Derry (played in Ulster semi) or Tyrone (played in Ulster qfinal) so would have to play Mayo or Dublin.
Derry would then have to play Tyrone.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1386 - 26/06/2023 18:22:30    2489753

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Meath and Down had to avoid each other in the semifinal draw. They put Meath and Down in one bowl. Antrim and Laois were in another bowl.
If Mayo, Kerry and Cork make the semi-finals, repeat pairings cannot be avoided and two of them will have to play each other anyway."
Yeah I get all that.

But at both QF draws they made the point that there may be no need for a semi final draw. I still don't see any scenario where that would be the case.

Not really important.....just was puzzling me. You'd hope the people running the competition know the ins and outs of it so I assume there is an answer.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2023 18:25:32    2489754

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I'm glad the Tyrone and Armagh fans won't be there on Sunday. I will also support Mayo due to my great grandmother originally being from Doohoma, near Achill island.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 263 - 26/06/2023 18:31:18    2489756

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Meath and Down had to avoid each other in the semifinal draw. They put Meath and Down in one bowl. Antrim and Laois were in another bowl.
If Mayo, Kerry and Cork make the semi-finals, repeat pairings cannot be avoided and two of them will have to play each other anyway."
If Kerry is the only group winner in the SFs, do they get an 'avoidance priority' and automatically get Monaghan, or would there be a SF draw so the latter could draw any of Kerry, Mayo or Cork? Are the powers-that-be clear on this?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3243 - 26/06/2023 18:53:59    2489770

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Replying To Greenfield:  "So what happens there?

Wouldn't there be a draw in that case to see which of those teams play each other and which one plays the other QF winner?"
Apologies. You are right. If two of them win there won't be a draw

KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 26/06/2023 22:31:22    2489818

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "If Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry all qualified then no draw would be required as the only combination that would avoid repeat pairings would be Dublin v Armagh and Tyrone v Derry.

Dublin v Tyrone would be out as Armagh and Derry already met in the Ulster final and Dublin v Derry would be out as Armagh and Tyrone already met in the group phase.

Similarly if it were Mayo instead of Dublin with Tyrone, Armagh and Derry."
Thanks.
Makes sense now.
Just couldn't see it before.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2023 22:46:21    2489823

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Replying To PattyONeill:  "I'm glad the Tyrone and Armagh fans won't be there on Sunday. I will also support Mayo due to my great grandmother originally being from Doohoma, near Achill island."
I will be there

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 26/06/2023 23:50:41    2489825

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I found it hard to figure out the way they did the draw but the result was excellent. The last two All Ireland champions face each other and the previous champions face their old foe. Derry and Cork an interesting draw and Armagh and Monaghan could be a humdinger. Kerry face the team that always causes them problems Tyrone and Dublin face the team that puts the jitters into them. Mayo should have def won one of the all Irelands v Dublin if not 2 and yet on paper Dublin were way better than them. A really great draw for the neutrals although maybe not for Kerry and Dublin.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3918 - 27/06/2023 00:31:33    2489827

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