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Replying To Greengrass:  "Kerry finished top of the group because their record over the three games was the best of the four teams involved. To say Louth had nothing to play for is nonsense. They were still in with a chance of qualifying and had everything to play for."
Their record over the games involving the 3 tied teams was the worst though.

If the roles were reversed I could envisage Mayo running up a big score v Louth if they backs were against the wall

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 22/06/2023 12:46:59    2488392

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=tirawleybaron:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
That would change much. The fill blanket would just start with 4 along the 65 line.
The sentiment is correct but it need to be stronger.
4 inside the 65 but two inside the 45.
Keeper can't receive or give a handpass outside the 21.

2 points for a long range point and 4 points for a goal. Shot clock after 1 minute."
A shot clock in Gaelic football would make life easier for defenders. Just squeeze out the opponents space and run the clock down until they have to kick or turn the ball over."]You're right, I can't see how a shot stop clock would improve things. It gives defenders another advantage and will force players into pot shots resulting in lower scores in games. There is no problem really with scores. It's the play leading up to scores which frustrates people. If you have a brief look at Connacht final and AI final scorelines back to the 80's, combined scoring seems to be generally higher over the past twenty years."]It's also that there are way more televised games on TV, online leading to more TV viewers expecting more entertainment. But coaches are using advanced tech to break down games to the ying yang and unfortunately too many use ut for the evil of playing not to lose rather than take more risks. Would be great to have a football championship where squads have to go into camp, train for a week, hear who their opponents will be within a week and then face them a week later. With just old fashioned coaching, no tech, no big budget advantages of better facilities, nutritionists, video analysis to get them through the next round. A bit like Formula One with skill!"]All players should be forced to drink 6 points of Guiness and smoke 20 major the day before the game.
All training should be banned
Ban management also and return to picking teams by committee.

Can we get an old brown leather ball also?


As for shot clock - wouldn't work on its own, but if introduced with some form of illegal defence (restrictions on players in defending half), then it would work.
On its own - not a hope

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1383 - 22/06/2023 13:52:17    2488418

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Can't do head to head if THREE (as per my post) teams finish level!!!"
Yes, you can - it is the combined head-to-head over the three games between the three teams. However, in the case of a four-team group, three teams who are equal on overall points will always have an identical number of points between them. But this would not necessarily be the case in a bigger group e.g. in a five-team group like Munster it could finish as:

Limerick 6, Tipperary 4, Clare 4, Cork 4, Waterford 2

where Limerick beat everyone except Cork; Tipperary beat Clare and Cork; Clare beat Cork and Waterford only beat Tipperary.

In that case the three-way H2H beween Tipperary, Clare and Cork would be 4, 2 and 0 points, respectively, and they would finish in that sequence.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 135 - 22/06/2023 14:20:30    2488436

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I see a few people suggesting a shot clock which I do think is a good idea, but I also think it's very hard on the officials to be given more things to deal with.

If there's a shot clock, teams will just push up and it could be a nightmare. My suggestion would be the shot clock should be at the referees discretion. If they feel the team is making no effort to try and progress the ball or try to score - they put their hand up and blow the whistle and the team has 30 second to take a shot on goal.

Therefore teams aren't bound by a shot clock, if you're not taking a shot and trying to work the ball because the shot is not on - the referee has discretion to allow you to work a shot. But if you pass or decline at multiple clear opportunities or try and waste time and keep the ball - the referee calls for the clock. I think that's easy to implement and referee.

Obviously there would be issues around consistency, but these type of things are never black and white.

I also like the backcourt style basketball rule - when a team brings it past the half way line, they can't return it in that sequence of play until it's turned over or there's a new sequence of play. Simple enough to referee and means teams can't hold on to possession

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 22/06/2023 14:47:23    2488447

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Replying To hyperache:  "I see a few people suggesting a shot clock which I do think is a good idea, but I also think it's very hard on the officials to be given more things to deal with.

If there's a shot clock, teams will just push up and it could be a nightmare. My suggestion would be the shot clock should be at the referees discretion. If they feel the team is making no effort to try and progress the ball or try to score - they put their hand up and blow the whistle and the team has 30 second to take a shot on goal.

Therefore teams aren't bound by a shot clock, if you're not taking a shot and trying to work the ball because the shot is not on - the referee has discretion to allow you to work a shot. But if you pass or decline at multiple clear opportunities or try and waste time and keep the ball - the referee calls for the clock. I think that's easy to implement and referee.

Obviously there would be issues around consistency, but these type of things are never black and white.

I also like the backcourt style basketball rule - when a team brings it past the half way line, they can't return it in that sequence of play until it's turned over or there's a new sequence of play. Simple enough to referee and means teams can't hold on to possession"
Refs can't enforce 4 step rule, can't make lads take frees from the right place.....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 22/06/2023 15:16:55    2488457

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To hyperache:  "I see a few people suggesting a shot clock which I do think is a good idea, but I also think it's very hard on the officials to be given more things to deal with.

If there's a shot clock, teams will just push up and it could be a nightmare. My suggestion would be the shot clock should be at the referees discretion. If they feel the team is making no effort to try and progress the ball or try to score - they put their hand up and blow the whistle and the team has 30 second to take a shot on goal.

Therefore teams aren't bound by a shot clock, if you're not taking a shot and trying to work the ball because the shot is not on - the referee has discretion to allow you to work a shot. But if you pass or decline at multiple clear opportunities or try and waste time and keep the ball - the referee calls for the clock. I think that's easy to implement and referee.

Obviously there would be issues around consistency, but these type of things are never black and white.

I also like the backcourt style basketball rule - when a team brings it past the half way line, they can't return it in that sequence of play until it's turned over or there's a new sequence of play. Simple enough to referee and means teams can't hold on to possession"
Refs can't enforce 4 step rule, can't make lads take frees from the right place....."
Refs treat rules like guidelines and brings umpires along because they are related and like sandwiches.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1383 - 22/06/2023 19:53:43    2488515

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
"inside the 65" presumably means the attacking end to limit the blanket to 12 players, including the goal keeper? Should it be higher to prevent 'outside the 65' overcrowding?

Would my kick pass idea be too hard to ref (linesmen could assist)? It wouldn't distort the game, like the mark, for example.

Say, ANY ONE kick across 'own 45 & 65', OR 'both 65s', OR 'attacking 65 & 45'. Free out to opponents for breach on 'their 65'.

Maybe these four lines need to be painted a different colour - bright pink or yellow?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3242 - 22/06/2023 19:58:45    2488516

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Replying To omahant:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
"inside the 65" presumably means the attacking end to limit the blanket to 12 players, including the goal keeper? Should it be higher to prevent 'outside the 65' overcrowding?

Would my kick pass idea be too hard to ref (linesmen could assist)? It wouldn't distort the game, like the mark, for example.

Say, ANY ONE kick across 'own 45 & 65', OR 'both 65s', OR 'attacking 65 & 45'. Free out to opponents for breach on 'their 65'.

Maybe these four lines need to be painted a different colour - bright pink or yellow?"
If a team breaks this 3 inside 65 rule what's the penalty?
Does the last man to cross the 65 get a card?
Who will count them?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 23/06/2023 11:23:17    2488600

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To omahant:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
"inside the 65" presumably means the attacking end to limit the blanket to 12 players, including the goal keeper? Should it be higher to prevent 'outside the 65' overcrowding?

Would my kick pass idea be too hard to ref (linesmen could assist)? It wouldn't distort the game, like the mark, for example.

Say, ANY ONE kick across 'own 45 & 65', OR 'both 65s', OR 'attacking 65 & 45'. Free out to opponents for breach on 'their 65'.

Maybe these four lines need to be painted a different colour - bright pink or yellow?"
If a team breaks this 3 inside 65 rule what's the penalty?
Does the last man to cross the 65 get a card?
Who will count them?"]Is there any other field sport where such a vast amount of micro managing rules are proposed? It must be one of the toughest field sports to ref as it is.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 23/06/2023 15:07:42    2488679

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Replying To omahant:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
"inside the 65" presumably means the attacking end to limit the blanket to 12 players, including the goal keeper? Should it be higher to prevent 'outside the 65' overcrowding?

Would my kick pass idea be too hard to ref (linesmen could assist)? It wouldn't distort the game, like the mark, for example.

Say, ANY ONE kick across 'own 45 & 65', OR 'both 65s', OR 'attacking 65 & 45'. Free out to opponents for breach on 'their 65'.

Maybe these four lines need to be painted a different colour - bright pink or yellow?"
Your proposals are far too complicated. It must be kept simple - per Fitzmaurice.
Yes, Fitzmaurice's plan would remove 6 players from the attacking side of the field - a big improvement.
Painting the lines different colours? You must be joking!

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 23/06/2023 21:47:11    2488731

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To omahant:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
"inside the 65" presumably means the attacking end to limit the blanket to 12 players, including the goal keeper? Should it be higher to prevent 'outside the 65' overcrowding?

Would my kick pass idea be too hard to ref (linesmen could assist)? It wouldn't distort the game, like the mark, for example.

Say, ANY ONE kick across 'own 45 & 65', OR 'both 65s', OR 'attacking 65 & 45'. Free out to opponents for breach on 'their 65'.

Maybe these four lines need to be painted a different colour - bright pink or yellow?"
If a team breaks this 3 inside 65 rule what's the penalty?
Does the last man to cross the 65 get a card?
Who will count them?"]Penalty is a 20 metre free.
No cards involved.
Counting by the 7 officials; between the 7 of them they should manage it.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 23/06/2023 21:53:33    2488732

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Kerry finished top of the group because their record over the three games was the best of the four teams involved. To say Louth had nothing to play for is nonsense. They were still in with a chance of qualifying and had everything to play for."
Correct greengrass and if Louth had won Kerry would have been out of the championship. A bad day for Louth v Kerry but a good year overall. Also most teams get bad beatings but come back stronger. Kerry got destroyed by Meath by 15 pts in 2001 and next year made All ireland final only beaten by a point by a fab Armagh team. Kerry destroyed Dublin. by 17 pts in 2009 and two years later Dubs win Sam before dominating for nearly a decade. Two years ago Tyrone get a hammering from Kerry in the league. before turning the tables in AI semi and then winning Sam. Louth can hold the heads up high this year and with Mickey Harte on board they will improve again.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3914 - 24/06/2023 10:29:42    2488761

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Confirmed. Quarter finals will take place as double headers in Croke Park over weekend 1st/2nd July

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3150 - 24/06/2023 13:18:49    2488796

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Correct greengrass and if Louth had won Kerry would have been out of the championship. A bad day for Louth v Kerry but a good year overall. Also most teams get bad beatings but come back stronger. Kerry got destroyed by Meath by 15 pts in 2001 and next year made All ireland final only beaten by a point by a fab Armagh team. Kerry destroyed Dublin. by 17 pts in 2009 and two years later Dubs win Sam before dominating for nearly a decade. Two years ago Tyrone get a hammering from Kerry in the league. before turning the tables in AI semi and then winning Sam. Louth can hold the heads up high this year and with Mickey Harte on board they will improve again."
Pretty much agree with most of that, except that I think Louth have peaked now and that it's backwards they'll be going from now on. Mickey has milked what he can!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2221 - 24/06/2023 13:40:27    2488799

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Correct greengrass and if Louth had won Kerry would have been out of the championship. A bad day for Louth v Kerry but a good year overall. Also most teams get bad beatings but come back stronger. Kerry got destroyed by Meath by 15 pts in 2001 and next year made All ireland final only beaten by a point by a fab Armagh team. Kerry destroyed Dublin. by 17 pts in 2009 and two years later Dubs win Sam before dominating for nearly a decade. Two years ago Tyrone get a hammering from Kerry in the league. before turning the tables in AI semi and then winning Sam. Louth can hold the heads up high this year and with Mickey Harte on board they will improve again."
Welll said CiarraiMick. It's been a really good season for Louth. I can already think of two new players who will improve the forward line. Please God we'll improve again next year.,

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 24/06/2023 14:28:05    2488804

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Welll said CiarraiMick. It's been a really good season for Louth. I can already think of two new players who will improve the forward line. Please God we'll improve again next year.,"
I think Louth will improve. Mickey Harte always learns from defeats and that's half the battle.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3914 - 24/06/2023 15:07:07    2488809

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A disgrace, when are umpires going to go to specsavers and get their eyes tested? Point for Cork all day long, please umpires waken up.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2292 - 24/06/2023 15:16:34    2488811

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Well done to my neighbours Cork today. Tough on Rossies after a great season but have to admit I'm delighted to see Cork back dining at the top table. Well done and commiserations to the gallant Rossies.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3914 - 24/06/2023 16:05:12    2488826

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Congrats to Cork. Great performance, especially given the six day turnaround.

Immer (Mayo) - Posts: 33 - 24/06/2023 16:29:05    2488836

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well done to my neighbours Cork today. Tough on Rossies after a great season but have to admit I'm delighted to see Cork back dining at the top table. Well done and commiserations to the gallant Rossies."
Impressed with Cork, a handful and know how to go forward.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2292 - 24/06/2023 16:33:45    2488837

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