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This weekend teams are going to have to throw the kitchen sick at it to get over the line so it sets things up for a great weekend of Gaelic football. Donegal and Cork are dark horses. Personally I think Mayo, Galway and Roscommon have been in the lead since the league started and its hard to keep that level of fitness up until August

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 910 - 20/06/2023 21:47:45    2487971

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Ah stop!"
Stop what? His 30-second kick clock?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2219 - 21/06/2023 03:37:58    2487996

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
That would change much. The fill blanket would just start with 4 along the 65 line.
The sentiment is correct but it need to be stronger.
4 inside the 65 but two inside the 45.
Keeper can't receive or give a handpass outside the 21.

2 points for a long range point and 4 points for a goal. Shot clock after 1 minute.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1382 - 21/06/2023 06:05:25    2487998

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Replying To border Gael:  "This weekend teams are going to have to throw the kitchen sick at it to get over the line so it sets things up for a great weekend of Gaelic football. Donegal and Cork are dark horses. Personally I think Mayo, Galway and Roscommon have been in the lead since the league started and its hard to keep that level of fitness up until August"
One of either Mayo or Galway gone and you would wonder if even the winner might have peaked a bit early and with gruelling run ahead of them. I only saw Cork against Dublin in league which is irrelevant now but they were well organised, fast on the break and can take scores. Arguably unfortunate not to have beaten Kerry too. Fancy them to beat Rossies.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3521 - 21/06/2023 08:16:45    2488009

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Seán Meehan of Cork did a great job on him a few years ago and Sean Kelly Galway jn a college game altho Clifford turned the tables in last years final."
It was Kelly's clubmate Neil Mulcahy who marked him directly in that Sigerson final, but Kelly was lending a hand.
Kelly did do an excellent job marking him in the league game a few months ago in Salthill.
In reality marking Clifford is a team effort. The hardest place to mark him is Croke Park, where the ball moves faster off the ground and the surface is more sympathetic to a forward than a back.
Any top-class forward left 1-on-1 in Croke Park will do damage if he gets any kind of decent ball in.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2320 - 21/06/2023 11:00:07    2488061

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Seán Meehan of Cork did a great job on him a few years ago and Sean Kelly Galway jn a college game altho Clifford turned the tables in last years final."
Meehan certainly did ok on him a few years ago, but has struggled with form since returning from injury. Cork have tightened up in defense, look very fit, and am looking forward to Roscommon game. Rossies travel well, have done well against Cork in recent years, and will be tough! Good campaign from Cork this year, and hopefully will be springboard to further successes!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 532 - 21/06/2023 13:55:47    2488153

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
That would change much. The fill blanket would just start with 4 along the 65 line.
The sentiment is correct but it need to be stronger.
4 inside the 65 but two inside the 45.
Keeper can't receive or give a handpass outside the 21.

2 points for a long range point and 4 points for a goal. Shot clock after 1 minute."
A shot clock in Gaelic football would make life easier for defenders. Just squeeze out the opponents space and run the clock down until they have to kick or turn the ball over.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7977 - 21/06/2023 14:19:52    2488157

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Meehan certainly did ok on him a few years ago, but has struggled with form since returning from injury. Cork have tightened up in defense, look very fit, and am looking forward to Roscommon game. Rossies travel well, have done well against Cork in recent years, and will be tough! Good campaign from Cork this year, and hopefully will be springboard to further successes!"
Football needs a strong Cork. Definitely a conveyor belt of talent there to be competing at the top table

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 21/06/2023 14:26:54    2488160

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Meehan certainly did ok on him a few years ago, but has struggled with form since returning from injury. Cork have tightened up in defense, look very fit, and am looking forward to Roscommon game. Rossies travel well, have done well against Cork in recent years, and will be tough! Good campaign from Cork this year, and hopefully will be springboard to further successes!"
Cork are on the way up and always had great time for Cleary. He was an excellent underage coach and I felt should have got Cork job earlier than he did. Cork always have talent but alas lose alot to the hurling. On a selfish note Kerry want and need a strong Cork. Kerry are always better with a strong Cork team. Kevin Walsh also a big asset. Big game for both Cork and the Rossies.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 21/06/2023 14:32:02    2488162

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To tirawleybaron:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
That would change much. The fill blanket would just start with 4 along the 65 line.
The sentiment is correct but it need to be stronger.
4 inside the 65 but two inside the 45.
Keeper can't receive or give a handpass outside the 21.

2 points for a long range point and 4 points for a goal. Shot clock after 1 minute."
A shot clock in Gaelic football would make life easier for defenders. Just squeeze out the opponents space and run the clock down until they have to kick or turn the ball over."]You're right, I can't see how a shot stop clock would improve things. It gives defenders another advantage and will force players into pot shots resulting in lower scores in games. There is no problem really with scores. It's the play leading up to scores which frustrates people. If you have a brief look at Connacht final and AI final scorelines back to the 80's, combined scoring seems to be generally higher over the past twenty years.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 21/06/2023 15:05:53    2488181

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=tirawleybaron:  "[quote=Aibrean:  "Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

• 3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.

I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels."
That would change much. The fill blanket would just start with 4 along the 65 line.
The sentiment is correct but it need to be stronger.
4 inside the 65 but two inside the 45.
Keeper can't receive or give a handpass outside the 21.

2 points for a long range point and 4 points for a goal. Shot clock after 1 minute."
A shot clock in Gaelic football would make life easier for defenders. Just squeeze out the opponents space and run the clock down until they have to kick or turn the ball over."]You're right, I can't see how a shot stop clock would improve things. It gives defenders another advantage and will force players into pot shots resulting in lower scores in games. There is no problem really with scores. It's the play leading up to scores which frustrates people. If you have a brief look at Connacht final and AI final scorelines back to the 80's, combined scoring seems to be generally higher over the past twenty years."]It's also that there are way more televised games on TV, online leading to more TV viewers expecting more entertainment. But coaches are using advanced tech to break down games to the ying yang and unfortunately too many use ut for the evil of playing not to lose rather than take more risks. Would be great to have a football championship where squads have to go into camp, train for a week, hear who their opponents will be within a week and then face them a week later. With just old fashioned coaching, no tech, no big budget advantages of better facilities, nutritionists, video analysis to get them through the next round. A bit like Formula One with skill!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7977 - 21/06/2023 15:48:56    2488189

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A journalist is giving out about Armagh and Kildare finishing above teams on the head to head. The head to head is very fair. If you beat a team fair and square, you have an advantage over them.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8786 - 21/06/2023 18:14:45    2488241

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A journalist is giving out about Armagh and Kildare finishing above teams on the head to head. The head to head is very fair. If you beat a team fair and square, you have an advantage over them."
I'd have to agree. People would be complaining if score difference was the decider.

Kerry only got through because they hammered a Louth team with little to play for. Why should you get through by how much you beat the weakest team in the group.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 22/06/2023 08:46:01    2488321

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Replying To drumalee11:  "I'd have to agree. People would be complaining if score difference was the decider.

Kerry only got through because they hammered a Louth team with little to play for. Why should you get through by how much you beat the weakest team in the group."
Where 3 teams finish level the score difference should only take into account the games between those 3.
That would have taken games v Louth out of the equation.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 22/06/2023 10:04:19    2488337

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Where 3 teams finish level the score difference should only take into account the games between those 3.
That would have taken games v Louth out of the equation."
That's over complicating it. Head to head is the best way of doing it.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 22/06/2023 10:36:57    2488347

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Replying To drumalee11:  "That's over complicating it. Head to head is the best way of doing it."
Can't do head to head if THREE (as per my post) teams finish level!!!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 22/06/2023 10:45:49    2488353

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Replying To drumalee11:  "I'd have to agree. People would be complaining if score difference was the decider.

Kerry only got through because they hammered a Louth team with little to play for. Why should you get through by how much you beat the weakest team in the group."
Kerry would have topped the group with a 4 point win over Louth.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 22/06/2023 11:26:40    2488361

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Can't do head to head if THREE (as per my post) teams finish level!!!"
Apologies I misread; yeah that would be a good idea to be fair.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 22/06/2023 11:28:40    2488362

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A journalist is giving out about Armagh and Kildare finishing above teams on the head to head. The head to head is very fair. If you beat a team fair and square, you have an advantage over them."
Martin Breheny is the journalist. He's done nothing but give out since the championship started. His commentary is farcical at this stage.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 22/06/2023 12:12:31    2488372

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Replying To drumalee11:  "I'd have to agree. People would be complaining if score difference was the decider.

Kerry only got through because they hammered a Louth team with little to play for. Why should you get through by how much you beat the weakest team in the group."
Kerry finished top of the group because their record over the three games was the best of the four teams involved. To say Louth had nothing to play for is nonsense. They were still in with a chance of qualifying and had everything to play for.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 22/06/2023 12:14:41    2488373

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