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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Mick, what player would you say was Clifford's best marker, kept his tally fairly low?"
I can answer that. Bhí mé ann nuair a cuir Tom O'Sullivan ón Daingean stad air. Clifford was held scoreless from play and only scored one from a free in Kerry county semi final in Tralee last October.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 20/06/2023 13:47:25    2487814

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Yeah, what kind of weirdo doesn't believe that everything the men in suits do is above board and totally legit eh?"
Indeed. He must have missed all the lies he swallowed over the past three years.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 20/06/2023 13:49:15    2487815

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Mick, what player would you say was Clifford's best marker, kept his tally fairly low?"
Neil Mulcahy for NUIG kept him scoreless from play in the Sigerson final last year. However, it was a wet and windy evening, so definitely an advantage to the backs.
Neil also had a bit of help from the defensive cover. In saying that, he did very well. Sean Kelly did a brilliant job on him our league match this year, but again Clifford clearly wasn't at full sharpness.
The thing about him is, it's very hard to keep him quiet for a full match. Even in games where he a few problems early on like Mayo last year, he'll eventually get motoring and do damage.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2320 - 20/06/2023 14:34:59    2487840

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I thought the round robins would be a disaster, with the 3rd series full of dead rubbers, but delighted to be proved wrong; instead it was brilliant, 3 great pulsating games which could have gone either way, and have seriously affected how Sam Maguire will pan out. Kerry and Dublin still seem a cut above the rest though.
If we could only find a rule to disincentivise defensive football and the endless hand=passing around the 45, gaelic football would be spectacular

befair (Down) - Posts: 238 - 20/06/2023 14:38:51    2487844

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I can answer that. Bhí mé ann nuair a cuir Tom O'Sullivan ón Daingean stad air. Clifford was held scoreless from play and only scored one from a free in Kerry county semi final in Tralee last October."
Sílim go bhfuair Tom roinnt cúnamh ó Mark O'Connor an lá céanna.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2320 - 20/06/2023 15:01:28    2487858

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Sílim go bhfuair Tom roinnt cúnamh ó Mark O'Connor an lá céanna."
Tá an ceart agat. "marcáil dubailte" mar dhea :-)

Lá uafásach freisin, maidir leis an gaoth, so b'feidir go raibh leithscéal beag ag an Prionsa!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 20/06/2023 15:26:07    2487870

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Replying To befair:  "I thought the round robins would be a disaster, with the 3rd series full of dead rubbers, but delighted to be proved wrong; instead it was brilliant, 3 great pulsating games which could have gone either way, and have seriously affected how Sam Maguire will pan out. Kerry and Dublin still seem a cut above the rest though.
If we could only find a rule to disincentivise defensive football and the endless hand=passing around the 45, gaelic football would be spectacular"
People have a habit of judging books by their covers. 3 out of 4 sounded easy but the carrot of the direct route to the quarter-finals or the home advantage for second hand teams chasing wins for obvious reasons at the weekend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 20/06/2023 16:41:16    2487891

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Yeah, what kind of weirdo doesn't believe that everything the men in suits do is above board and totally legit eh?"
There is no doubt that you are a weirdo if you think everything that goes on in the GAA is above board…. Have a bit of wit there's a good lad…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3830 - 20/06/2023 16:54:07    2487897

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is no doubt that you are a weirdo if you think everything that goes on in the GAA is above board…. Have a bit of wit there's a good lad…!"
I think he was more referring to your abiding faith in the Covid Hysteria. Are you still masking up and social distancing?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 20/06/2023 17:07:07    2487898

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Neil Mulcahy for NUIG kept him scoreless from play in the Sigerson final last year. However, it was a wet and windy evening, so definitely an advantage to the backs.
Neil also had a bit of help from the defensive cover. In saying that, he did very well. Sean Kelly did a brilliant job on him our league match this year, but again Clifford clearly wasn't at full sharpness.
The thing about him is, it's very hard to keep him quiet for a full match. Even in games where he a few problems early on like Mayo last year, he'll eventually get motoring and do damage."
Galway didn't do a good job on him in last year's All Ireland Final. It was the losing of the match for them.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2406 - 20/06/2023 17:17:30    2487903

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Mick, what player would you say was Clifford's best marker, kept his tally fairly low?"
Mick O'Grady kept him to two points in the league last year, asterix would be it was the first game in the league, although it should also be noted O'Grady would be one of the best man markers in the game and has nullified a number of top inter-county forwards including Co O'Callaghan this year

LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 120 - 20/06/2023 17:31:53    2487910

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Replying To befair:  "I thought the round robins would be a disaster, with the 3rd series full of dead rubbers, but delighted to be proved wrong; instead it was brilliant, 3 great pulsating games which could have gone either way, and have seriously affected how Sam Maguire will pan out. Kerry and Dublin still seem a cut above the rest though.
If we could only find a rule to disincentivise defensive football and the endless hand=passing around the 45, gaelic football would be spectacular"
To incentivise attacking football -

1) to move the ball from behind the defensive 45 to beyond the opposing 45, teams are mandated to kick pass across 'two consecutive of four' middle line markings (both 45s & both 65s).

2) allow teams to play backwards and across to strategise, but each time the ball is behind the defensive 45, a new mandated kick, subject to a 30-second 'kick clock', is required.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3238 - 20/06/2023 17:45:21    2487915

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is no doubt that you are a weirdo if you think everything that goes on in the GAA is above board…. Have a bit of wit there's a good lad…!"
Mind that dropping penny.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7975 - 20/06/2023 17:46:58    2487916

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is no doubt that you are a weirdo if you think everything that goes on in the GAA is above board…. Have a bit of wit there's a good lad…!"
Let's have a few concrete examples of things in the GAA that were not 'above board'. You must have loads of examples. Lad.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 20/06/2023 18:04:51    2487921

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Replying To omahant:  "To incentivise attacking football -

1) to move the ball from behind the defensive 45 to beyond the opposing 45, teams are mandated to kick pass across 'two consecutive of four' middle line markings (both 45s & both 65s).

2) allow teams to play backwards and across to strategise, but each time the ball is behind the defensive 45, a new mandated kick, subject to a 30-second 'kick clock', is required."
Ah stop!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 20/06/2023 18:05:39    2487923

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Mick, what player would you say was Clifford's best marker, kept his tally fairly low?"
Seán Meehan of Cork did a great job on him a few years ago and Sean Kelly Galway jn a college game altho Clifford turned the tables in last years final.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 20/06/2023 18:26:08    2487937

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Replying To endgame:  "Galway didn't do a good job on him in last year's All Ireland Final. It was the losing of the match for them."
They didn't. The question was when had teams done a good job on him, not when they hadn't. There are plenty examples of the latter, given the quality of the man. Far fewer of the former, hence the question. The only two I could think of from a Galway perspective were the Sigerson final and this year's league match where he didn't score from play in either.
You can say it was the losing of the game, but we were level at 0-16 all and he didn't score from play after that. It was Kerry's subs and our lack of depth that was the real difference at the end.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2320 - 20/06/2023 18:31:00    2487941

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I can answer that. Bhí mé ann nuair a cuir Tom O'Sullivan ón Daingean stad air. Clifford was held scoreless from play and only scored one from a free in Kerry county semi final in Tralee last October."
Clifford was doube-teamed all game by O'Sullivan and Mark O'Connor.
O'Sullivan, in my opinion, is not a great man marker as seen on the 2022 All-Ireland final.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 763 - 20/06/2023 18:57:13    2487953

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I think he was more referring to your abiding faith in the Covid Hysteria. Are you still masking up and social distancing?"
No but the crowds going to matches seem to be social distancing themselves lol

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3830 - 20/06/2023 19:33:55    2487957

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Replying To omahant:  "To incentivise attacking football -

1) to move the ball from behind the defensive 45 to beyond the opposing 45, teams are mandated to kick pass across 'two consecutive of four' middle line markings (both 45s & both 65s).

2) allow teams to play backwards and across to strategise, but each time the ball is behind the defensive 45, a new mandated kick, subject to a 30-second 'kick clock', is required."
Eamon Fitzmaurice in last Saturday's Examiner proposes:

3 players from each team must remain inside the 65 and

• The ball can not be played back over the halfway line.


I think these are sensible proposals which would work; they are simple to understand and easy to referee.
Many of the proposals being put forward are too complicated and consequently impossible to referee.
Eamon is a great student of the game and 'has been there, done that' at all levels.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 20/06/2023 21:29:32    2487968

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