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I didnt think it was a penalty at the time but looking at the rule change it is a penalty. aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 06/06/2023 10:27:01 2484294 Link 0 |
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No it mentions goal scoring chance and clearly if you are the last man then you have a goal scoring chance. So in Kilkenny, the Dublin player was inside the 20 and was the last man. What's there to interpret? Maybe they should use the last man wording to make it an even easier decision. Bit of consultation wouldn't go amiss either, I mean there was a ref, 2 umpires and a linesman within yards of it. On such decisions games and championships are won and lost.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/06/2023 10:29:37 2484296 Link 1 |
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The rights or wrongs of the referee's interpretation of the rule in this particular instance could be argued till the cows come home. What is more relevant is that since this rule was introduced it has almost never been imposed or acknowledged so to suddenly bring it into play in an All Ireland group game with tight margins seems somewhat bizarre and somewhat unfair.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 06/06/2023 10:32:22 2484299 Link 1 |
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Referee implements rules, consternation!!! Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 06/06/2023 10:42:09 2484307 Link 0 |
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Yes consternation and rightly so as this rule has been ignored by referees, to suddenly implement it is not logical. For example the rule governing free kicks states that no player from either side can be nearer than 14m to the kicker until the ball is kicked. This rule is totally ignored with respect to the free-takers own team-mates, imagine the consternation if a ref suddenly decided to implement it in the last minutes of an All Ireland, to decide the game. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 06/06/2023 10:59:23 2484316 Link 1 |
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It was brought in to punish teams for cynical fouls just outside the box, which prevent very good goalscoring chances. E.g. The 2020 Connacht Final, in injury time with Galway 2 points behind, Sean Kelly races through on goal and is hauled to the ground by Eoghan McLaughlin before he gets his shot away. Galway get the free and a point, but it's definitely the right play by McLaughlin in terms of Mayo getting over the line. Under the current rule, Galway would have had a penalty and a chance to go ahead and win the game. These rules are brought in for a purpose, but the issue is often in how difficult they are to implement. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 06/06/2023 11:15:00 2484327 Link 0 |
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That would hold up if they were applied across the board and consistently.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 06/06/2023 11:26:38 2484335 Link 0 |
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Cork were royally rogered by the Gough Mayo52 (Mayo) - Posts: 44 - 06/06/2023 12:03:46 2484356 Link 1 |
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Very interesting championship. Dublin now are rightly favourites to win. Dublin favourites despite not being in an AI for 2 years, playing in Div 2 this year and mixing some average performances with some very good ones is a real indicator of the failure of Kerry, Galway and Mayo to be anyways consistently convincing. It looks like the Roscommon , Cork. Louth , Westmeath are bridging the gap big time with an accordion press effect happening within the top 16 ( this is a very welcome phenomen , in my opinion) anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 06/06/2023 13:59:59 2484414 Link 0 |
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It does appear to be a more open championship than we've had in some time, but once we get to knockout we'll get the true picture. We've often seen teams not look convincing in earlier rounds and go on to win it out. Kerry in 2009 being an obvious example. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 06/06/2023 15:06:08 2484441 Link 0 |
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Dublin are certainly not consistently convincing, if that's what qualifies you for the favourites tag. v Kildare, v Roscommon we've been very poor. The game last Sun was closer than the scoreline suggested and if Kildare had let the ball in earlier to their inside forwards, who bizarrely Farrell left man to man, they would have had a goal or two. Mayo are still the team with Kerry on their coat tails. After that you have the pack, led by Dublin with Galway, Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Tyrone all contenders I would say. Very open at the moment.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/06/2023 16:10:51 2484480 Link 1 |
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My current rankings... Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 06/06/2023 16:41:05 2484493 Link 0 |
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Hard to disagree with you Lockjaw. The bookies order is; 1. Dublin 2/3 Kerry / Mayo 4. Galway 5. Derry 6. Tyrone 7. Armagh 8. Roscommon 9. Monaghan 10/11/12 Cork / Donegal / Kildare letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 06/06/2023 17:07:28 2484501 Link 0 |
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Group winners on current form and direct to quarter-finals: Mayo, Galway, Dublin and Derry. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7854 - 06/06/2023 17:16:22 2484505 Link 0 |
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I agree: ALL rules should be implemented ALL the time. Gough has form here: he correctly penalised Tyrone for hand waving in front of a Kerry free taker in Killarney a few years ago. I have seen no other ref doing this. In last year's AIF Damien Comer was waving in front of a vital David Clifford free near the end of the match; Clifford scored, but had he missed I don't think the ref would have ordered a retake. Incidentally, are the current Derry efforts to interfere with free takers illegal? I think so. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/06/2023 17:31:21 2484519 Link 0 |
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1 Mayo Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/06/2023 19:30:40 2484544 Link 0 |
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It was never a free in the first place
Mayo52 (Mayo) - Posts: 44 - 06/06/2023 19:37:00 2484545 Link 0 |
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Is that the free ye should not have got in the first instance when John Daly had the ball? Yes both he and your guy were 'fouling' but in 99% of cases the guy with the ball gets the free. I appreciate that is not your point in this discussion but one could argue it helped to turn that game at a crucial juncture.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 06/06/2023 19:51:38 2484548 Link 0 |
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Was that the "free" Hurson gifted to Kerry as loud boos rang out around croker. PancakeWard (Galway) - Posts: 86 - 06/06/2023 20:13:49 2484551 Link 0 |
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Now, now. You can hardly be complaining about the frees that were given in the final last year.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2565 - 06/06/2023 20:44:11 2484557 Link 0 |