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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Davy got the very limit out of that team, in fact under Davy we punched well above our weight." I would 100 percent disagree with that statement
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Davy got the very limit out of that team, in fact under Davy we punched well above our weight." Davy did well no doubt. But definitely didn't get the most out of the team. If he had developed players for the panel/bench in 2017 and 2018 we might have won the AI in 2019.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "If I was a Wexford person, I would be looking at it that way too. Get a passionate Wexford man to light a fire, bring through the u20's who are a good crop of players.
Money spent on underage coaching and development will pay more than any outside manager bar Wexford had the players to win an All-Ireland, which I don't think you have." Once they have money Davy will be back again for a second stint!!
Jokes aside as good as Davy was with Wexford I still don't think they would have won an all Ireland under him. They have fallen well back into the pack under Egan but again they were not far off Dublin who are their benchmark for next year and I don't see them losing to the likes of Carlow next season or even Antrim. I expect they will find some players over the winter and target the likes of the 3 aforementioned teams to get back out of Leinster. A good league run under a new manager will set them up nicely but they do need to unearth and find a few players to build a panel capable of competing with Galway and Kilkenny again.
I do feel they need someone from Wexford in the backroom team as manager or head selector. Someone who knows the county scene and potential players as I'm sure there are many but they haven't been found for whatever season.
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 19/07/2023 14:23:15
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Davy got the very limit out of that team, in fact under Davy we punched well above our weight." Re watch the 2019 semi final again.. Wexford outplayed Tipperary, by playing the opposite to Davy tactics... twas only when Davy got involved shouting from the side lines pulling everyone back into his typical defensive roll for the last 10 min.. that when things went tits up.
TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 19/07/2023 14:27:32
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Replying To WildPundit: "Once they have money Davy will be back again for a second stint!!
Jokes aside as good as Davy was with Wexford I still don't think they would have won an all Ireland under him. They have fallen well back into the pack under Egan but again they were not far off Dublin who are their benchmark for next year and I don't see them losing to the likes of Carlow next season or even Antrim. I expect they will find some players over the winter and target the likes of the 3 aforementioned teams to get back out of Leinster. A good league run under a new manager will set them up nicely but they do need to unearth and find a few players to build a panel capable of competing with Galway and Kilkenny again.
I do feel they need someone from Wexford in the backroom team as manager or head selector. Someone who knows the county scene and potential players as I'm sure there are many but they haven't been found for whatever season." Being totally honest I don't think were behind Dublin were on the same level, the 2 championship encounters under Egan we lost by a point and 2 points and honestly we threw both games away, the 2 Westmeath games over the 2 years were totally unacceptable, I wasn't at the draw in Mullingar due to a communion but in fairness to Egan I'm totally clearing him of blame but I'd hold the players most responsible for the debacle this year, there attitude in the 2nd half that day was a disgrace.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/07/2023 14:32:41
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Replying To TomWex: "Re watch the 2019 semi final again.. Wexford outplayed Tipperary, by playing the opposite to Davy tactics... twas only when Davy got involved shouting from the side lines pulling everyone back into his typical defensive roll for the last 10 min.. that when things went tits up." Nothing could be further from the truth.
It was the abandoning of our tactics to constantly drive it long for the last 10 mins rather than working it through the lines like we had been doing that cost us.
that was pretty much the narrative after the game.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1515 - 19/07/2023 14:33:48
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Replying To TomWex: "Re watch the 2019 semi final again.. Wexford outplayed Tipperary, by playing the opposite to Davy tactics... twas only when Davy got involved shouting from the side lines pulling everyone back into his typical defensive roll for the last 10 min.. that when things went tits up." You would have been watching the 2019 All Ireland semi final on tv without Davy Fitz in charge.
Without Davy that team would have no Leinster medal
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 19/07/2023 14:48:11
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There's a huge difference between club management and inter county. Take Galway, they had likes of Donohue, O'Neill and Shefflin recently. I think all three are All Ireland club winning coaches, last two have been very poor. Before then I remember Pat Joe Whelehan doing great things with Birr but being a disaster at county level. No magic formula but think likes of Ruth would be best served as selector for now. Rossiter maybe again selector at senior but best served staying with U20s. There was some surprise that for example he didn't select Oisin Pepper at times this year but he had his reasons and I think some of those hard decisions are what we need a lot more of to prepare lads for senior.
The likes of Eddie Brennan or Fennelly have very little on their CVs to suggest they get any further county gigs, not to mind with us. Think it's Joe Fortunes time personally, yes he can be a hot head but that's not always a bad thing provided rest of the backroom staff balance that out a bit. Think it's a great time to be taking over to be honest. Expectations are low but likes of KK and Galway aren't miles better, just need to galvanise the whole setup and get a competitive team on the pitch from first round of the league.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 424 - 19/07/2023 14:53:25
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Being totally honest I don't think were behind Dublin were on the same level, the 2 championship encounters under Egan we lost by a point and 2 points and honestly we threw both games away, the 2 Westmeath games over the 2 years were totally unacceptable, I wasn't at the draw in Mullingar due to a communion but in fairness to Egan I'm totally clearing him of blame but I'd hold the players most responsible for the debacle this year, there attitude in the 2nd half that day was a disgrace." Sorry should say NOT totally clearing him of blame.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/07/2023 14:55:39
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Replying To Timbertony: "There's a huge difference between club management and inter county. Take Galway, they had likes of Donohue, O'Neill and Shefflin recently. I think all three are All Ireland club winning coaches, last two have been very poor. Before then I remember Pat Joe Whelehan doing great things with Birr but being a disaster at county level. No magic formula but think likes of Ruth would be best served as selector for now. Rossiter maybe again selector at senior but best served staying with U20s. There was some surprise that for example he didn't select Oisin Pepper at times this year but he had his reasons and I think some of those hard decisions are what we need a lot more of to prepare lads for senior.
The likes of Eddie Brennan or Fennelly have very little on their CVs to suggest they get any further county gigs, not to mind with us. Think it's Joe Fortunes time personally, yes he can be a hot head but that's not always a bad thing provided rest of the backroom staff balance that out a bit. Think it's a great time to be taking over to be honest. Expectations are low but likes of KK and Galway aren't miles better, just need to galvanise the whole setup and get a competitive team on the pitch from first round of the league." Agree about Ruth, Brennan and Fennelly. And agree I'd like to see Rossiter stay with the u20s and win something before being promoted. Not sure about Fortune.
Pepper just wasn't hurling well in training, and looked miles off the pace of the game any time he came on for the u20s last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16156 - 19/07/2023 15:03:55
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Replying To Timbertony: "There's a huge difference between club management and inter county. Take Galway, they had likes of Donohue, O'Neill and Shefflin recently. I think all three are All Ireland club winning coaches, last two have been very poor. Before then I remember Pat Joe Whelehan doing great things with Birr but being a disaster at county level. No magic formula but think likes of Ruth would be best served as selector for now. Rossiter maybe again selector at senior but best served staying with U20s. There was some surprise that for example he didn't select Oisin Pepper at times this year but he had his reasons and I think some of those hard decisions are what we need a lot more of to prepare lads for senior.
The likes of Eddie Brennan or Fennelly have very little on their CVs to suggest they get any further county gigs, not to mind with us. Think it's Joe Fortunes time personally, yes he can be a hot head but that's not always a bad thing provided rest of the backroom staff balance that out a bit. Think it's a great time to be taking over to be honest. Expectations are low but likes of KK and Galway aren't miles better, just need to galvanise the whole setup and get a competitive team on the pitch from first round of the league." Agreed I'd like to see Joe Fortune get a crack at this role. Was he interviewed two years ago for the role though?
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 19/07/2023 15:15:53
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Being totally honest I don't think were behind Dublin were on the same level, the 2 championship encounters under Egan we lost by a point and 2 points and honestly we threw both games away, the 2 Westmeath games over the 2 years were totally unacceptable, I wasn't at the draw in Mullingar due to a communion but in fairness to Egan I'm totally clearing him of blame but I'd hold the players most responsible for the debacle this year, there attitude in the 2nd half that day was a disgrace." Agreed but the level with Dublin is a very weak one currently as Clare proved subsequently. Our tactics against them in the first half this year were gutless though, second half we had enough chances to win two games when we pushed up on them. Thought a lot of players showed a half a$$ed attitude v Antrim in the second half too. The performance against Galway verged on embarrassing too bar first 10 minutes. And we were told by Egan during the league to judge them on the championship!
With regards to the undroppables I think we need someone to come in and rattle a few cages with them. John Conlan didn't show his ego when asked to go back centre back for Clare, think we will need Chin to something similar next year. He seems to drop into the full forward line far too often for my liking and needs to ship some bulk to play at CB or midfield where we need him. ROC, our most talented player, can't break a tackle, he should be up there with likes of Cody, Whelan and Gillane. Ability wise he is their equal so big winter in the gym needed for him to reach his potential. Back at corner back taking handy frees on occasion this year! I look at the likes of Shane Reck and Donohue, lads maybe not the most talented, but they have worked their a$$ off to be the best they can be. Others need to take note.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 424 - 19/07/2023 15:45:10
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Replying To Timbertony: "Agreed but the level with Dublin is a very weak one currently as Clare proved subsequently. Our tactics against them in the first half this year were gutless though, second half we had enough chances to win two games when we pushed up on them. Thought a lot of players showed a half a$$ed attitude v Antrim in the second half too. The performance against Galway verged on embarrassing too bar first 10 minutes. And we were told by Egan during the league to judge them on the championship!
With regards to the undroppables I think we need someone to come in and rattle a few cages with them. John Conlan didn't show his ego when asked to go back centre back for Clare, think we will need Chin to something similar next year. He seems to drop into the full forward line far too often for my liking and needs to ship some bulk to play at CB or midfield where we need him. ROC, our most talented player, can't break a tackle, he should be up there with likes of Cody, Whelan and Gillane. Ability wise he is their equal so big winter in the gym needed for him to reach his potential. Back at corner back taking handy frees on occasion this year! I look at the likes of Shane Reck and Donohue, lads maybe not the most talented, but they have worked their a$$ off to be the best they can be. Others need to take note." Donohue and Hearne really improved last year fair play to them. Thought Shane Reck wasn't as good tbh but I agree he's really put in the work and is so much better than he was.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16156 - 19/07/2023 15:57:55
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Replying To tearintom: "Nothing could be further from the truth.
It was the abandoning of our tactics to constantly drive it long for the last 10 mins rather than working it through the lines like we had been doing that cost us.
that was pretty much the narrative after the game." How I remember that game too.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1368 - 19/07/2023 16:54:31
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In general on the Davy era, I'd say I can offer a somewhat neutral view. Wexford won 3 x U21 Leinster titles leading up to that, and that team stood up and became the men they were and have become.
To me, winning 1 Leinster was moderate enough success wise, in particular when you think that in the other years Wexford were abject and roundly beaten by Clare twice?
What Davy did most for Wexford hurling was engage the support, which is badly lacking now. Although come to think of it, there was not huge support in Cork that year v Cork also.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1368 - 19/07/2023 16:57:55
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "In general on the Davy era, I'd say I can offer a somewhat neutral view. Wexford won 3 x U21 Leinster titles leading up to that, and that team stood up and became the men they were and have become.
To me, winning 1 Leinster was moderate enough success wise, in particular when you think that in the other years Wexford were abject and roundly beaten by Clare twice?
What Davy did most for Wexford hurling was engage the support, which is badly lacking now. Although come to think of it, there was not huge support in Cork that year v Cork also." Our bandwagon are allergic to Munster venues, they'll only travel to a Leinster Final or AI semi in Croke Park, won't even go to Wexford Park.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 19/07/2023 17:22:46
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I would be very intrrested to know who does everyone see as the peoples manager that they can vision winning an alli ireland in very limited time. I have always taught there should be some sort of a fair refferendom who pèople in wexford think is the best man suited for the job..
Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 19/07/2023 17:24:12
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Did the county board meeting take place last night? Any update on the management situation ?
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 19/07/2023 18:20:22
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My understanding of Declan Ruth's suspension was that there was more to it than just the social media outburst.
And on a different note, Wexford went away from what they did best in the 2019 All-Ireland Semi-Final because we had nothing off the bench. It's hard enough to sustain a running game at that level of intensity/quality for 50 minutes with the same 15 players, pretty much impossibile to do it with the same 15 players across 70+ minutes.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 560 - 19/07/2023 18:24:28
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Replying To WildPundit: "Once they have money Davy will be back again for a second stint!!
Jokes aside as good as Davy was with Wexford I still don't think they would have won an all Ireland under him. They have fallen well back into the pack under Egan but again they were not far off Dublin who are their benchmark for next year and I don't see them losing to the likes of Carlow next season or even Antrim. I expect they will find some players over the winter and target the likes of the 3 aforementioned teams to get back out of Leinster. A good league run under a new manager will set them up nicely but they do need to unearth and find a few players to build a panel capable of competing with Galway and Kilkenny again.
I do feel they need someone from Wexford in the backroom team as manager or head selector. Someone who knows the county scene and potential players as I'm sure there are many but they haven't been found for whatever season." Honestly I think with a consistent performance we'll beat Dublin 9 times out of 10. That's what's so frustrating the last 2 seasons.
The better side both days but found ways not to win somehow
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3703 - 19/07/2023 23:17:57
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