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But all isn't good. We haven't beaten Westmeath in a Championship game in ages. Or Dublin since 2018. We haven't beaten Galway in a Championship game for even longer.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 10/07/2023 19:01:15 2493666 Link 0 |
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I think every wexford person on here knows that so we beat Kilkenny is not an excuse. To be honest there is no excuse and and everyone one from from here to New Zealand knows that wasn't good enough. Galway apart from the first 10 minutes was shocking. Antrim we were how much up at half time and how close were we to losing. Dublin 19 wides and lose by one. Westmeath 17 up and lose. The fundamentals are there but to me the couching structure isn't. That starts from the fact we have two outside coaches and one wexford man. Italso starts from the s and c of our players. Other issue and at least Egan one credit I will give him is he brought in some new players last season.
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 366 - 10/07/2023 19:15:51 2493670 Link 0 |
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Sorry to disappoint you. For someone who regularly claims that Wexford is his second team after Dublin, you don't half have a strange attitude to Wexford hurling in general. Almost begrudging I would say…..
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 272 - 10/07/2023 19:40:35 2493673 Link 0 |
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Kilkenny progress to an All Ireland final which I have a feeling they will win and possibly even win well, we sit navel gazing about whether to reappoint the manager who presided over possibly the worst season in Wexford hurling history. The difference could not be more stark. Watching the game over the weekend left me feeling the gap between us and the top sides is probably wider than I had accepted (despite evidence) and I really don't know if we're actually doing what's needed to set things right so more if the same ahead I fear. wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 106 - 11/07/2023 09:47:21 2493723 Link 0 |
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I'd much prefer Eddie Brennan, I couldn't see Shefflin working in Wexford.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 106 - 11/07/2023 09:49:07 2493724 Link 0 |
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I have the same feeling myself. Why after one of our worst seasons ever are the players looking for Egan back? I cant wrap my head around it.
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 11/07/2023 11:36:32 2493746 Link 0 |
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Neither has a great record in intercounty management or even much experience of it. If you are going to appoint someone who has so little managerial success or experience why not appoint a Wexford man? Either or both of them aren't any more experienced than Egan at this stage.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 11:41:21 2493749 Link 0 |
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Yeah i have to agree with you. The drop off this year has been absolutely criminal, in any other county alarm bells would be ringing, meanwhile we are delaying things to the extent that now we probably have no choice other than to reappoint and asking the players whether they think we should get rid of the manager who keeps picking them (the term turkeys dont vote for Christmas comes to mind) This really should have been dealt with some time we now face the situation that by this time next week some clubs will have 2 hurling games left for 2023 with the vast majority having only 3 games left for the entirety of this year and the current manager is presenting his plans for 2024 despite the fact no one knows if hes being kept on with a decision being made on that when? tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1515 - 11/07/2023 11:47:03 2493753 Link 0 |
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I totally agree. This should have been wrapped up at least a month ago. This season was so forgettable despite the jubilation in Wexford park after the Kilkenny match. And I'm not just talking about the Westmeath fiasco. Galway really are an overrated and overhyped team and Limerick proved that last Saturday. Yet we surrendered so meekly to them in salthill back in April when it looked like Egan and the players weren't really up for the game at all. And we also performed very poorly against them in the league in Wexford park. Unforgivable yet the players want him back again next season!??
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 272 - 11/07/2023 12:03:17 2493759 Link 0 |
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They aren't looking to have him back. They want to hear what his plans are and what changes he is going to make before they make that decision.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 12:08:06 2493760 Link 0 |
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He should've presented his plan one week after the Kilkenny game. And a decision on his future made the following Tuesday. Its all took far too long.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 12:09:41 2493762 Link 0 |
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It definitely was not. To me, it would be the oddest thing ever. Time to move on. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1368 - 11/07/2023 12:12:56 2493763 Link 0 |
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The Kilkenny public, players etc wouldn't accept mediocrity. Could you imagine the Kilkenny players putting in a performance like some or our lads did in the second half v Westmeath? Some lads didn't even try. The thing I really really admire about Kilkenny lads is, be it a club match or a county match they give it absolutely everything to win it. You can't fake that desire, honesty and a will to win. Time to look for a home grown manager in Wexford with passion for his county like Derek Lyng has for Kilkenny. Don't tell me Darragh Egan hurts like hell this summer that Wexford went out so early. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 954 - 11/07/2023 12:24:36 2493769 Link 0 |
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I was only joking but maybe that was lost in translation! Wexford is very much my 2nd team. The replies to me are re-assuring that everybody in Wexford GAA have not totally lost their mind. I said to my sons at the weekend that after the Kilkenny Clare game in particular I thought Wexford were hurling a different game. If Adrian Mullen had been fit v Wexford, they could be preparing for Joe McDonagh cup hurling. Yet people want more of this? I just can't get my head around how things are playing out. On one hand, if the manager is brought back now it doesn't really smell of unanimous approval, does it? On the other hand, are the county board right to take their time, evaluate their options and see what else is available? My guess about what is happening is that they want to have somebody in place before they thank Darragh Egan for his service. I don't really see it as been time-critical to have an appointment in place for the club championships though, the new man if there is one will start with about 70-80 players and whittle it down. What a player did for his club will be irrelevant. Its not like he can get to every match in any case. But to me there can be no doubt about the scale of the regression for Wexford in the last year and the Clare league game and Westmeath championship match were the epitome of that regression. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1368 - 11/07/2023 12:27:19 2493770 Link 0 |
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It's a tough pill to swallow. We produced 2 fantastic championship performances under Egan. We have it in us. This is very like the period from 98-05 where one big game every year was enough to keep us fairly happy. We can't accept this any more. We all know how hard it was to drag ourselves back to the top table and we're in danger of falling away again. Whatever comes next, we need a top class sports psychologist to get us consistently operating at the level we did against kk. If we do that this group will win another leinster. If we can't, we'll be having the same conversation again next year while falling further down the pecking order again. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3701 - 11/07/2023 13:47:47 2493791 Link 0 |
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Eddie Brennan got the chance to redeem himself with their u21s in 2017 after losing to Westmeath in 2016. That's not to say we should do the same btw.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 16:37:22 2493837 Link 0 |
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I agree in general after our Championship performances but I disagree with you now, as I did then, about what he did during the League. If we had the team we had that beat Kilkenny the last day that night in the Park, while they were missing Kelly, Conlon, Cleary, Quilligan, Hayes, Ryan, Fitz, Taylor, Duggan I've no doubt we would've won well. But that's what we did for the 6 previous years and is one of the main reasons we are where we are now. Our League record in group games over those 6 years was one of the best in Ireland if not the best. And is why we have a chronic shortage of players under 26 with any real Senior intercounty experience at all. And I don't buy that we didn't have players good enough to give proper intercounty training and experience to when they were 20/1/2. We were seconds away from a Leinster title in 2018 yet most of those players were 23/4 before they got any interest from Senior intercounty management. Limerick, Cork, Galway etc had their lads in and around their Senior panel the very next year. Only Tipp did something like we did and look where that got them last year. As regards Mullen he started against us the last day. We were missing the 2 Recks. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 16:49:51 2493845 Link 0 |
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I agree in general after our Championship performances but I disagree with you now, as I did then, about what he did during the League. If we had the team we had that beat Kilkenny the last day that night in the Park, while they were missing Kelly, Conlon, Cleary, Quilligan, Hayes, Ryan, Fitz, Taylor, Duggan I've no doubt we would've won well. But that's what we did for the 6 previous years and is one of the main reasons we are where we are now. Our League record in group games over those 6 years was one of the best in Ireland if not the best. And is why we have a chronic shortage of players under 26 with any real Senior intercounty experience at all. And I don't buy that we didn't have players good enough to give proper intercounty training and experience to when they were 20/1/2. We were seconds away from a Leinster title in 2018 yet most of those players were 23/4 before they got any interest from Senior intercounty management. Limerick, Cork, Galway etc had their lads in and around their Senior panel the very next year. Only Tipp did something like we did and look where that got them last year. As regards Mullen he started against us the last day. We were missing the 2 Recks. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16143 - 11/07/2023 16:50:44 2493846 Link 0 |
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Maybe so but we are way off kilken ny for consistency and drieve. No coincidence that they improve as the championship goes on every year where we seem to have to up it for the round robin games to compete mores the pity.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 379 - 11/07/2023 21:58:15 2493895 Link 0 |
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And they also take the league seriously!! Hasnt done them any harm, or Limerick for that matter. Kilkenny got to league final and said that display wasnt good enough and we need to improve. We took an approach of not bothering with the league, carried that in to championship, had our worst championship in years and people here are still actually arguing it was the right thing to do!!! Is it any wonder we are where we are?? tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1515 - 12/07/2023 11:06:01 2493930 Link 0 |