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@Viking - I agree it's a bit of a mess, but just to clarify - I don't think the management committee's vote last week was binding. If it was, there'd be no need or no point to a player delegation or a vote of the full County Board tonight. Looks to me like it was just intended as another recommendation for the full Board to consider when voting.
Also, not sure how feasible it would have been to give Egan a chance to present his plan first, because while the document doesn't actually state it, looks to me that part of what's he supposed to do is identify new members for his backroom team and then bring them on board. That could take months, and still leave us no better off if players/management committee/club delegates aren't happy with the plan and the new backroom team.
For what it's worth, am conflicted myself about the whole thing. Obviously this year was disappointing, but at the same time, I think Egan and the team are capable of better, and maybe we should try one more year with him. Tonight should tell a lot anyway.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 27/06/2023 09:13:45
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@Viking - I agree it's a bit of a mess, but just to clarify - I don't think the management committee's vote last week was binding. If it was, there'd be no need or no point to a player delegation or a vote of the full County Board tonight. Looks to me like it was just intended as another recommendation for the full Board to consider when voting.
Also, not sure how feasible it would have been to give Egan a chance to present his plan first, because while the document doesn't actually state it, looks to me that part of what's he supposed to do is identify new members for his backroom team and then bring them on board. That could take months, and still leave us no better off if players/management committee/club delegates aren't happy with the plan and the new backroom team.
For what it's worth, am conflicted myself about the whole thing. Obviously this year was disappointing, but at the same time, I think Egan and the team are capable of better, and maybe we should try one more year with him. Tonight should tell a lot anyway." Another thing I've been considering is the lack of an available upgrade. The main criticisms of Egan stem from his inexperience at this level. Aside from Fortune I don't think there is a Wexford man who would be any better than Egan that way. And there doesn't seem to be any obvious candidates from outside the county who are currently available. I do think Mulally would be an excellent choice for a number of different reasons but would assume he signed on with Carlow for 2 years. I think I'm leaning towards giving Egan another year myself, especially if he could bring a good motivator, Sheedy?!, on board. Maybe Fortune either although I'd imagine Joe would want to be the manager. And a new sports psychologist. And hope the new S and C man can eliminate some of the injuries we suffered from this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 09:49:00
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Replying To Magpie2: "Surely the players should have a major say as to whether Egan stays or goes. They have worked with him for two years now and know him much better than anyone else. Councillor Ger Carty said he will be at the meeting tomorrow night. Speaking to Alan Corcoran today ( Monday) he wanted Egan to go and mentioned Eddie Brennan or someone from Kilkenny to take over.He also said that Egan would be retained and it was a fait accompli.
I'm afraid Ger based on your choice of Eddie Brennan your knowledge of hurling is very limited." Ger Carty - sorry, but who??? Who is he?
"Speaking to Alan Corcoran", who my father said broadcast to the county that Darragh Egan should be gone before the Kilkenny match? To me that has witch hunt written all over it.
I am going on results (and its a results game at the end of it the day) and this year was not good enough. Players walking away the week before championship, whatever the reason, spells bad vibe and from what I hear it continued all year and almost resulted in Wexford being relegated to Joe McDonagh.
I watched Tipp Galway on Sunday morning - time difference too much - and look at Shefflin, Cahill etc on the line fighting tooth and nail for every ball, decision, etc. There is a fine line between looking like a lunatic (Davy) and being passive on the sideline. You have to fight for every decision and I saw none of it in the first 2 years under Darragh Egan.
But the life is gone out of Wexford hurling since Davy left, like him or loathe him. We need a manager to rally the support again. I do not know what has gone wrong but the attendance at the U20 final from what I hear was paltry - what has happened?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1830 - 27/06/2023 09:51:32
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Ger Carty - sorry, but who??? Who is he?
"Speaking to Alan Corcoran", who my father said broadcast to the county that Darragh Egan should be gone before the Kilkenny match? To me that has witch hunt written all over it.
I am going on results (and its a results game at the end of it the day) and this year was not good enough. Players walking away the week before championship, whatever the reason, spells bad vibe and from what I hear it continued all year and almost resulted in Wexford being relegated to Joe McDonagh.
I watched Tipp Galway on Sunday morning - time difference too much - and look at Shefflin, Cahill etc on the line fighting tooth and nail for every ball, decision, etc. There is a fine line between looking like a lunatic (Davy) and being passive on the sideline. You have to fight for every decision and I saw none of it in the first 2 years under Darragh Egan.
But the life is gone out of Wexford hurling since Davy left, like him or loathe him. We need a manager to rally the support again. I do not know what has gone wrong but the attendance at the U20 final from what I hear was paltry - what has happened?" In fairness to Egan he is far from passive on the sideline. Its just he didn't seem to be able to rise the players from being passive out on the pitch. The u20 support was poor for sure. I was there. Probably 2-3000 from Wexford max. The 16th man, well 15th for the 2nd half, Offaly had was maybe the difference between the winning and losing of that game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 10:01:50
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Replying To Viking66: "Another thing I've been considering is the lack of an available upgrade. The main criticisms of Egan stem from his inexperience at this level. Aside from Fortune I don't think there is a Wexford man who would be any better than Egan that way. And there doesn't seem to be any obvious candidates from outside the county who are currently available. I do think Mulally would be an excellent choice for a number of different reasons but would assume he signed on with Carlow for 2 years. I think I'm leaning towards giving Egan another year myself, especially if he could bring a good motivator, Sheedy?!, on board. Maybe Fortune either although I'd imagine Joe would want to be the manager. And a new sports psychologist. And hope the new S and C man can eliminate some of the injuries we suffered from this year." And obviously if there is a massive improvement, like a Leinster title/good AISF performance, then no reason not to give him more years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 10:03:06
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Replying To Pikeman96: "There was detailed correspondence sent out to clubs late last week, in the form of minutes from a County Board management meeting that took place last Tuesday night.
In a nutshell, what it says is:
- 28 players completed a survey on what went okay this year, what went wrong, and where improvements could be brought about (up to and including a possible change of manager)
- 15 players attended a meeting with the County Chairman and Director of Hurling Niall Williams last Sunday night. Others were unavailable due to club commitments.
- Doesn't say who these 15 were, but does say it was the unanimous view of the 15 that Egan should be given an opportunity to construct a plan for 2024, to include changes in his backroom team.
- Nevertheless, one member of Co. Board management proposed a vote of no confidence in Egan, and another one seconded. The vote was carried by majority verdict. The minutes don't say what the majority was, but have heard on the grapevine that it was very close.
Anything from here on is not actually stated in the minutes since it didn't actually take place at the meeting, but am also led to believe that both Egan and players were unhappy at being told the result of the vote, and players requested the opportunity to address a full meeting for the full Board to decide on the next steps. And that's where we're at now.
Don't know how many players are to address the meeting, or who they are." Thanks for this Pikeman.... I find it astonishing THAT ONLY 15 PLAYERS ATTENDED THAT MEETING..... If lads couldn't make it at on that day/time use a bit of common sense and put it on at a time that suits majority or do it virtually so everyone is there... 15 out of how many that trained/played last year - 50 probably ?? That's pathetic. If only 15 players attended a junior clubs player meeting it wouldn't be accepted. Fr Ted Stuff as usual from all involved.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 180 - 27/06/2023 10:36:09
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@Viking - I agree it's a bit of a mess, but just to clarify - I don't think the management committee's vote last week was binding. If it was, there'd be no need or no point to a player delegation or a vote of the full County Board tonight. Looks to me like it was just intended as another recommendation for the full Board to consider when voting.
Also, not sure how feasible it would have been to give Egan a chance to present his plan first, because while the document doesn't actually state it, looks to me that part of what's he supposed to do is identify new members for his backroom team and then bring them on board. That could take months, and still leave us no better off if players/management committee/club delegates aren't happy with the plan and the new backroom team.
For what it's worth, am conflicted myself about the whole thing. Obviously this year was disappointing, but at the same time, I think Egan and the team are capable of better, and maybe we should try one more year with him. Tonight should tell a lot anyway." Hard to see how Egan will stay if he hasn't got the backing of the management committee. How could he work with an executive that has no confidence in him? I certainly couldn't and wouldn't.
I've stated previously that I wanted him to stay for another year but with a few changes in the back room team. I've also heard the players want him to stay.
Just hope for all stakeholders that this doesn't get messy which it has all the indications of getting
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 27/06/2023 11:05:28
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People voted with their feet in Wexford this year. Once they were hammered by Clare in the league, the thing fizzled out.
I won't be going to league matches from here on unless something changes to make them count more.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 27/06/2023 11:56:17
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Ger Carty - sorry, but who??? Who is he?
"Speaking to Alan Corcoran", who my father said broadcast to the county that Darragh Egan should be gone before the Kilkenny match? To me that has witch hunt written all over it.
I am going on results (and its a results game at the end of it the day) and this year was not good enough. Players walking away the week before championship, whatever the reason, spells bad vibe and from what I hear it continued all year and almost resulted in Wexford being relegated to Joe McDonagh.
I watched Tipp Galway on Sunday morning - time difference too much - and look at Shefflin, Cahill etc on the line fighting tooth and nail for every ball, decision, etc. There is a fine line between looking like a lunatic (Davy) and being passive on the sideline. You have to fight for every decision and I saw none of it in the first 2 years under Darragh Egan.
But the life is gone out of Wexford hurling since Davy left, like him or loathe him. We need a manager to rally the support again. I do not know what has gone wrong but the attendance at the U20 final from what I hear was paltry - what has happened?" I agree Davy gave Wexford hurling a great boost. But he also caused the problems we have now and will continue to have into the future. Davy went with the exciting panel of players that was put together by Liam Dunne, but introduced very few new young players to match day teams during his five year term. That problem will take time to solve regardless of manager.
Get rid of Darragh Egan now and we'll end up starting all over again, with more than likely an inexperienced intercounty manager. I cannot see any high profile manager taking Wexford on at the present time. At least Darragh Egan has two years experience as an intercounty manager behind him. He appears to be a smart man and one would hope he has learned enough in that time (particular this year) that if given a third year, he would put that experiencce to good effect, for the betterment of Wexford hurling.
The old sayings, 'be careful what you wish for' and 'the devil you know might be better that the devil you don't know' might apply.
Joe1 (Kildare) - Posts: 52 - 27/06/2023 12:17:06
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Replying To grassroots01: "Thanks for this Pikeman.... I find it astonishing THAT ONLY 15 PLAYERS ATTENDED THAT MEETING..... If lads couldn't make it at on that day/time use a bit of common sense and put it on at a time that suits majority or do it virtually so everyone is there... 15 out of how many that trained/played last year - 50 probably ?? That's pathetic. If only 15 players attended a junior clubs player meeting it wouldn't be accepted. Fr Ted Stuff as usual from all involved." You have to remember that this refers specifically to the meeting held with the County Chairman and the Director Hurling.
Players had previously held their own meeting, at which there was a far greater attendance. Am sure that the players who couldn't then attend the second meeting had full faith that the 15 who did attend would properly express the players' views.
It's not the case that only 15 ever bothered attending a meeting at all, and that the others just completely ignored the process.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 27/06/2023 13:18:33
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Replying To Joe1: "I agree Davy gave Wexford hurling a great boost. But he also caused the problems we have now and will continue to have into the future. Davy went with the exciting panel of players that was put together by Liam Dunne, but introduced very few new young players to match day teams during his five year term. That problem will take time to solve regardless of manager.
Get rid of Darragh Egan now and we'll end up starting all over again, with more than likely an inexperienced intercounty manager. I cannot see any high profile manager taking Wexford on at the present time. At least Darragh Egan has two years experience as an intercounty manager behind him. He appears to be a smart man and one would hope he has learned enough in that time (particular this year) that if given a third year, he would put that experiencce to good effect, for the betterment of Wexford hurling.
The old sayings, 'be careful what you wish for' and 'the devil you know might be better that the devil you don't know' might apply." Yes Joe you are spot on with those comments.
I and others have been saying what you have outlined in recent posts.
Egan is an intelligent man. It must be remembered that we had a massive amount of injuries since the start of the year and last year as well. Plugging the gaps with inexperienced players was impossible.
No team could suffer as .much as we did and be successful.
It would be a big mistake to ditch Egan at this stage. There is no local guy out there ready to come in. At least I can't think of anybody with credentials that would solve the problems that we have. All other outside managers are well and truly locked in to their respective counties.
Some think " anybody but Egan is the way to go"
Can anyone thinking that way come up with names of managers with a pedigree that would be better than the present incumbent I would love to hear from you.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 453 - 27/06/2023 13:24:09
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Replying To Pikeman96: "You have to remember that this refers specifically to the meeting held with the County Chairman and the Director Hurling.
Players had previously held their own meeting, at which there was a far greater attendance. Am sure that the players who couldn't then attend the second meeting had full faith that the 15 who did attend would properly express the players' views.
It's not the case that only 15 ever bothered attending a meeting at all, and that the others just completely ignored the process." I heard the players met a few days after the Kilkenny game and that they wanted him to stay.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 27/06/2023 15:21:20
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I heard the players met a few days after the Kilkenny game and that they wanted him to stay." Any of the players I'd know, or relatives I'd know of players, have said absolutely nothing to me about the meetings they have had. Which is proper order. I would be very surprised though if they all wanted him to stay. The players would be like any other group of people, they aren't all going to have the same views on everything, and I guess what they will present to the Board will be what they agreed to present when they had their own meeting. Whether that would be for him to stay, go, or present his plans for 2024 for consideration first before making a final decision, I doubt very much it would be a unanimous decision. I only hope that they all commit for 2024 whatever decision is made in the end.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 16:04:30
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Replying To Viking66: "Any of the players I'd know, or relatives I'd know of players, have said absolutely nothing to me about the meetings they have had. Which is proper order. I would be very surprised though if they all wanted him to stay. The players would be like any other group of people, they aren't all going to have the same views on everything, and I guess what they will present to the Board will be what they agreed to present when they had their own meeting. Whether that would be for him to stay, go, or present his plans for 2024 for consideration first before making a final decision, I doubt very much it would be a unanimous decision. I only hope that they all commit for 2024 whatever decision is made in the end." We can all make up a story to suit our own opinions. We'll just have to wait for the official outcome and get behind whoever is there next year - until we loose a few matches and the knives will be out for him too. Who'd want to be a Wexford hurling manager??
Joe1 (Kildare) - Posts: 52 - 27/06/2023 16:14:20
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "People voted with their feet in Wexford this year. Once they were hammered by Clare in the league, the thing fizzled out.
I won't be going to league matches from here on unless something changes to make them count more." And there is the most important statement of the whole lot.
Wexford fans voted with their feet this year and that will be the biggest factor in the minds of all on the executive at county board level as it should be, its a business at the end of the day.
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Replying To tearintom: "And there is the most important statement of the whole lot.
Wexford fans voted with their feet this year and that will be the biggest factor in the minds of all on the executive at county board level as it should be, its a business at the end of the day." Is it also Darragh Egan's that so few bother to turn up in Carlow to support our brillant under 20s on a beautiful evening a few weeks ago. It was sad to hear a faint cheer, that sounded as if it was coming from two fields away, when Wexford scored. Is that what you mean when you say "Wexford fans voted with their feet"??
They must really be really proud then; but why abandon Kieth and his gallant team?
Joe1 (Kildare) - Posts: 52 - 27/06/2023 16:49:22
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Yeah, as I said on here before Wexford fans need to have a look at themselves.
A Leinster u20 final on up the road, and a terribly small crowd went.
What has happened to Wexford supporters? I remember those u20 finals and even one in Parnell Wexford brought a crowd and outnumbered us at least 3-4 to 1 despite it being on northside Dublin on a mid week evening.
I can't explain it.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 27/06/2023 17:22:04
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Replying To Viking66: "Any of the players I'd know, or relatives I'd know of players, have said absolutely nothing to me about the meetings they have had. Which is proper order. I would be very surprised though if they all wanted him to stay. The players would be like any other group of people, they aren't all going to have the same views on everything, and I guess what they will present to the Board will be what they agreed to present when they had their own meeting. Whether that would be for him to stay, go, or present his plans for 2024 for consideration first before making a final decision, I doubt very much it would be a unanimous decision. I only hope that they all commit for 2024 whatever decision is made in the end." This position is Almost unique in that the players want to keep a manager and the public/ co board want rid. In the past it has been players pushing for change and the board swinging the axe. It probably doesn't help that you have local councillors and radio presenters playing to the galery.
The lack of any decent replacements makes it even more difficult. Overall not a great position to be in.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 27/06/2023 17:35:26
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Replying To Joe1: "We can all make up a story to suit our own opinions. We'll just have to wait for the official outcome and get behind whoever is there next year - until we loose a few matches and the knives will be out for him too. Who'd want to be a Wexford hurling manager??" I don't have a strong opinion as to whether he should stay or go. I'm probably leaning towards keeping him now at this stage, after leaning the other way a few weeks ago, but I certainly won't be in any way down if the Board decide not to. If you read back over my posts you would see that. So why would I make up a story to back an opinion I don't really have?
Why wouldn't someone want the job? Anyone with any ambition would see it as a challenge and there would be massive kudos attached to winning something with us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 18:06:02
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Replying To Joe1: "We can all make up a story to suit our own opinions. We'll just have to wait for the official outcome and get behind whoever is there next year - until we loose a few matches and the knives will be out for him too. Who'd want to be a Wexford hurling manager??" I don't have a strong opinion as to whether he should stay or go. I'm probably leaning towards keeping him now at this stage, after leaning the other way a few weeks ago, but I certainly won't be in any way down if the Board decide not to. If you read back over my posts you would see that. So why would I make up a story to back an opinion I don't really have?
Why wouldn't someone want the job? Anyone with any ambition would see it as a challenge and there would be massive kudos attached to winning something with us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/06/2023 18:06:21
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