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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Word is players are wanting Darragh Egan to remain."
Embarrassing stuff really. If the past season is deemed in any way acceptable by those players then some of them might need to call it a day too.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 24/06/2023 19:10:27    2488886

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Replying To Viking66:  "Which players?"
Five players want him to stay on…hardly be enough to swing it for him surely

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 24/06/2023 20:13:37    2488900

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Replying To Tiger1:  "We had home managers Liam Dunne ,John Conran and John Myler but there was a problem with them 2.Always the managers fault here in Wexford .The real problem is every year we win a few matches we get carried away and we think we're better than what we are.If one more person says yo me sure we bet Kilkenny we're not that far away I'll scream.We sre that bad Kilkenny won 4 Leinster in s row and they think they have a poor side we won nothing and think all is good except the manager. Pure nonsense puts me in van humour."
The 3 you mentioned were excellent.

Conran won a leinster. Incredible at getting players to buy into the spirit of wexford. He won a leinster and managed us in the best match I've ever seen.

Meyler was extremely tough and had exceptional attention to detail in terms of coaching basic skills. Got a relatively weak side to a league semi, all Ireland semi and very unlucky the following year in nowlan Park.

We owe everything to Liam dunne. He did all the work for 19.

These were successful wexford managers if you ask me.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3586 - 24/06/2023 20:59:48    2488918

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The 3 you mentioned were excellent.

Conran won a leinster. Incredible at getting players to buy into the spirit of wexford. He won a leinster and managed us in the best match I've ever seen.

Meyler was extremely tough and had exceptional attention to detail in terms of coaching basic skills. Got a relatively weak side to a league semi, all Ireland semi and very unlucky the following year in nowlan Park.

We owe everything to Liam dunne. He did all the work for 19.

These were successful wexford managers if you ask me."
Was that Thurles in 2008 v Waterford you mean when you say Nowlan Park…that was def one we could have won

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 24/06/2023 21:40:18    2488941

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Five players want him to stay on…hardly be enough to swing it for him surely"
That's probably 5 of the Senior players.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 25/06/2023 10:04:32    2489021

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's probably 5 of the Senior players."
Hard to see Dee or Kevin wanting him kept on though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 26/06/2023 11:38:54    2489455

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Was that Thurles in 2008 v Waterford you mean when you say Nowlan Park…that was def one we could have won"
Apologies, you are correct! 2 fabulous goals from Stephen Doyle that day. Lost to Davys Waterford who went on to contest the final

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3586 - 26/06/2023 13:46:52    2489564

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard to see Dee or Kevin wanting him kept on though."
I was critically of the dee situation but apparently there was more to it and Egan was looking after him

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3586 - 26/06/2023 15:04:45    2489628

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Word is players are wanting Darragh Egan to remain."
The wishes of the current players should only be given token consideration in what decision to take imho.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1500 - 26/06/2023 15:31:55    2489646

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I was critically of the dee situation but apparently there was more to it and Egan was looking after him"
A lot more to it.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 793 - 26/06/2023 15:34:21    2489652

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Players are to address a full County Board meeting (i.e. club delegates etc., as well as management) tomorrow night, and it's expected a vote will be taken. Should be interesting.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 26/06/2023 15:36:12    2489654

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Players are to address a full County Board meeting (i.e. club delegates etc., as well as management) tomorrow night, and it's expected a vote will be taken. Should be interesting."
Which players will be addressing the meeting? And are the players having a meeting beforehand so they can all decide what position they are taking? I imagine there's obviously more to selecting a good manager than letting the players choose, but at the same time it's often forgotten that most players who ever played for the county are some of its most fervent supporters ever too. If they werent they wouldn't have put the time in to get that good at hurling in the 1st place, or continued putting the time and effort in as Senior intercounty players.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 26/06/2023 15:58:43    2489674

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Replying To tearintom:  "The wishes of the current players should only be given token consideration in what decision to take imho."
Surely the players should have a major say as to whether Egan stays or goes. They have worked with him for two years now and know him much better than anyone else. Councillor Ger Carty said he will be at the meeting tomorrow night. Speaking to Alan Corcoran today ( Monday) he wanted Egan to go and mentioned Eddie Brennan or someone from Kilkenny to take over.He also said that Egan would be retained and it was a fait accompli.
I'm afraid Ger based on your choice of Eddie Brennan your knowledge of hurling is very limited.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 453 - 26/06/2023 16:33:31    2489700

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I really like Darragh Egan, I think he is a great hurling man with a great hurling brain... but Wexford were so lack lustre this year (apart from the heroics against Kilkenny) Why was this? Is Darragh too nice? .. our lads werent fired up at all.. we still have some fantastic hurlers with a few years left in them and we need someone to send them out with fire in their bellies... I dont think Darragh is that man unfortunately... (oh and please please please please don't anyone even Joke about bringing a Davy F type in again)

TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 26/06/2023 16:44:36    2489709

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Surely the players should have a major say as to whether Egan stays or goes. They have worked with him for two years now and know him much better than anyone else. Councillor Ger Carty said he will be at the meeting tomorrow night. Speaking to Alan Corcoran today ( Monday) he wanted Egan to go and mentioned Eddie Brennan or someone from Kilkenny to take over.He also said that Egan would be retained and it was a fait accompli.
I'm afraid Ger based on your choice of Eddie Brennan your knowledge of hurling is very limited."
Agree with you 100% Magpie I don't think Eddie Brennan has the experience, or previous success, required.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 26/06/2023 16:46:02    2489712

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Replying To Viking66:  "Which players will be addressing the meeting? And are the players having a meeting beforehand so they can all decide what position they are taking? I imagine there's obviously more to selecting a good manager than letting the players choose, but at the same time it's often forgotten that most players who ever played for the county are some of its most fervent supporters ever too. If they werent they wouldn't have put the time in to get that good at hurling in the 1st place, or continued putting the time and effort in as Senior intercounty players."
There was detailed correspondence sent out to clubs late last week, in the form of minutes from a County Board management meeting that took place last Tuesday night.

In a nutshell, what it says is:
- 28 players completed a survey on what went okay this year, what went wrong, and where improvements could be brought about (up to and including a possible change of manager)
- 15 players attended a meeting with the County Chairman and Director of Hurling Niall Williams last Sunday night. Others were unavailable due to club commitments.
- Doesn't say who these 15 were, but does say it was the unanimous view of the 15 that Egan should be given an opportunity to construct a plan for 2024, to include changes in his backroom team.
- Nevertheless, one member of Co. Board management proposed a vote of no confidence in Egan, and another one seconded. The vote was carried by majority verdict. The minutes don't say what the majority was, but have heard on the grapevine that it was very close.

Anything from here on is not actually stated in the minutes since it didn't actually take place at the meeting, but am also led to believe that both Egan and players were unhappy at being told the result of the vote, and players requested the opportunity to address a full meeting for the full Board to decide on the next steps. And that's where we're at now.

Don't know how many players are to address the meeting, or who they are.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 26/06/2023 17:25:33    2489730

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Surely the players should have a major say as to whether Egan stays or goes. They have worked with him for two years now and know him much better than anyone else. Councillor Ger Carty said he will be at the meeting tomorrow night. Speaking to Alan Corcoran today ( Monday) he wanted Egan to go and mentioned Eddie Brennan or someone from Kilkenny to take over.He also said that Egan would be retained and it was a fait accompli.
I'm afraid Ger based on your choice of Eddie Brennan your knowledge of hurling is very limited."
Ger Carty would be attending as delegate for the Our Lady's Island club. Often saw him at meetings when I was my own club's delegate, and unless he's softened his tone in the meantime, he often tends to be one of the more....let's say 'abrasive'.....ones there.

I hear he used the words 'fait accompli' at the last Co. Board meeting too, in connection with his belief that it's already a done deal that Egan will be re-appointed. I think the fact that there's since then been a majority "no confidence" vote by the Management Committee shows that couldn't be true anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 26/06/2023 17:31:00    2489735

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From word in Cuala,Eddie Brennan should not be next or near a Wexford job. His right hand man in Laois was Niall Corcoran who has been with Wexford for four years now I think.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 26/06/2023 18:41:41    2489765

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "There was detailed correspondence sent out to clubs late last week, in the form of minutes from a County Board management meeting that took place last Tuesday night.

In a nutshell, what it says is:
- 28 players completed a survey on what went okay this year, what went wrong, and where improvements could be brought about (up to and including a possible change of manager)
- 15 players attended a meeting with the County Chairman and Director of Hurling Niall Williams last Sunday night. Others were unavailable due to club commitments.
- Doesn't say who these 15 were, but does say it was the unanimous view of the 15 that Egan should be given an opportunity to construct a plan for 2024, to include changes in his backroom team.
- Nevertheless, one member of Co. Board management proposed a vote of no confidence in Egan, and another one seconded. The vote was carried by majority verdict. The minutes don't say what the majority was, but have heard on the grapevine that it was very close.

Anything from here on is not actually stated in the minutes since it didn't actually take place at the meeting, but am also led to believe that both Egan and players were unhappy at being told the result of the vote, and players requested the opportunity to address a full meeting for the full Board to decide on the next steps. And that's where we're at now.

Don't know how many players are to address the meeting, or who they are."
Thanks Pikeman that's exactly the kind of info a transparent process needs. Tbh if the players and management were being involved in a process that was supposed to give any kind of weight to their opinions I think it's frankly amazing that the Board would hold a vote of confidence without informing them 1st and without letting Egan present his plan detailing how he intended changing the Senior teams performances on the pitch. What was the point saying that everybody would have an input in the process if in fact the Board were going to decide to get rid of him before the process was completed? I don't blame Egan and the players for being ####ed off.
My opinion is that Egan has been a failure in certain respects, especially and most importantly in terms of championship performances and results, but if there was supposed to be an all inclusive process he should've been let present his plan before a vote was taken. He seems a genuine nice intelligent fella, he's put his all into the job, even if it hasn't quite been good enough, so far, and he seems to be a pretty straight and honourable man.
And if that was never the intention then the Board should've had that vote weeks ago without wasting the players and managements time and just informed them of the result, and had time to find a replacement before the club championships started. I think it's disrespectful to all of them the way it's been done. I think it's took way too long at this stage also. What a mess.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 26/06/2023 19:02:30    2489775

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "There was detailed correspondence sent out to clubs late last week, in the form of minutes from a County Board management meeting that took place last Tuesday night.

In a nutshell, what it says is:
- 28 players completed a survey on what went okay this year, what went wrong, and where improvements could be brought about (up to and including a possible change of manager)
- 15 players attended a meeting with the County Chairman and Director of Hurling Niall Williams last Sunday night. Others were unavailable due to club commitments.
- Doesn't say who these 15 were, but does say it was the unanimous view of the 15 that Egan should be given an opportunity to construct a plan for 2024, to include changes in his backroom team.
- Nevertheless, one member of Co. Board management proposed a vote of no confidence in Egan, and another one seconded. The vote was carried by majority verdict. The minutes don't say what the majority was, but have heard on the grapevine that it was very close.

Anything from here on is not actually stated in the minutes since it didn't actually take place at the meeting, but am also led to believe that both Egan and players were unhappy at being told the result of the vote, and players requested the opportunity to address a full meeting for the full Board to decide on the next steps. And that's where we're at now.

Don't know how many players are to address the meeting, or who they are."
Thanks Pikeman that's exactly the kind of info a transparent process needs. Tbh if the players and management were being involved in a process that was supposed to give any kind of weight to their opinions I think it's frankly amazing that the Board would hold a vote of confidence without informing them 1st and without letting Egan present his plan detailing how he intended changing the Senior teams performances on the pitch. What was the point saying that everybody would have an input in the process if in fact the Board were going to decide to get rid of him before the process was completed? I don't blame Egan and the players for being ####ed off.
My opinion is that Egan has been a failure in certain respects, especially and most importantly in terms of championship performances and results, but if there was supposed to be an all inclusive process he should've been let present his plan before a vote was taken. He seems a genuine nice intelligent fella, he's put his all into the job, even if it hasn't quite been good enough, so far, and he seems to be a pretty straight and honourable man.
And if that was never the intention then the Board should've had that vote weeks ago without wasting the players and managements time and just informed them of the result, and had time to find a replacement before the club championships started. I think it's disrespectful to all of them the way it's been done. I think it's took way too long at this stage also. What a mess.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15729 - 26/06/2023 19:02:36    2489776

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