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Replying To Viking66: "We ran them very close in a challenge game we should've won in PUC. I know there's a big difference between a challenge game and an AI Final but their lads parents that were sitting around me were very impressed with our lads." Huge difference viking. Its apples and oranges really. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 07/06/2023 14:17:15 2484756 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "The one good reason is his effort to integrate new players. Does he deserve some loyalty after doing some hard work at the expense of results? Not in my opinion. The negatives outweigh the positives for me. I can appreciate how somebody my have a different view though." You could say that he had no choice but to bring new lads in because of the crazy amount of injuries we had. Having said that I think he should stay. I have given my reasons in earlier posts. So I won't be going over all that again. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 07/06/2023 14:30:54 2484757 Link
Replying To Magpie2: "Huge difference viking. Its apples and oranges really." For sure. But I did feel at the time up in Carlow that we didn't use our size to our advantage. Cork didn't make the same mistake. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 07/06/2023 14:31:07 2484758 Link
I see snobbery is alive and well in the game still if someone is doubting how good Chin is because he isn't 'skillful'. Literally every facet of the game he brings to the table makes him our most important player, and he is a Wexford legend. I've seen so many players that were genies at underage level, all the skill you could ask for. But they never really made it thereafter because they either didn't apply themselves in training, didn't have the work-rate on the field or didn't like the physicality of adult hurling. Want skill only, stick to the golf course (which a lot of those 'prodigies' end up doing anyway while moaning about there being no enjoyment in hurling anymore). beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1486 - 07/06/2023 14:37:59 2484759 Link
Best hurler of the last 30 years? So you were picking a team of the last 30 years then, who is the first name you write down? And above all it is your "go-to" guy who rarely lets you down. That is your best hurler. In my opinion, from the outside for the first 10ish, Liam Dunne is the first name I write down. Followed closely by Martin Storey. Then Damian Fitzhenry. Then Chin. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 07/06/2023 14:55:16 2484766 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Best hurler of the last 30 years? So you were picking a team of the last 30 years then, who is the first name you write down? And above all it is your "go-to" guy who rarely lets you down. That is your best hurler. In my opinion, from the outside for the first 10ish, Liam Dunne is the first name I write down. Followed closely by Martin Storey. Then Damian Fitzhenry. Then Chin." To be honest I hate comparing players from different era's given the evolution of S&C, nutrition etc. but given my memory of hurling started in the mid 90s there the 4 names that spring to mind for me too over that timeframe along with Larry O'Gorman. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 07/06/2023 15:47:57 2484781 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Think that's an outdated attitude Doylerwex. Yes when he first came on the u21/Senior scene his hurling wasn't the sharpest but since the late teens most of his core skills have been as good as anyone on the Wexford team, and his catching would be far better than anyone else we have. He's really worked hard and improved at getting the ball up, soloing, striking, hooking and blocking too. His lifting of the ball when surrounded is probably better than anyone else we have also." Absolutely, he ha improved to no end. A fantastic example to any young player. Being a harriers man I have seen the work he does in frees in particular. Maybe I'm just being a snob about the pure hurling thing. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 07/06/2023 16:24:11 2484791 Link
For me it's fitzy in my lifetime. In my opinion he's the one that stands out as the best in the country for a sustained period. In an era of great goalkeepers he was the very best. After that, Darragh Ryan (second only to o Donnell I'm told) Liam Dunne Larry O Storey Gizzy Codd (criminally underrated) Rossi (also savagely under appreciated) Can't overlook Rory Jacob either Rory mac one of the most skilful I ever saw Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 07/06/2023 16:29:51 2484794 Link
Replying To beano: "I see snobbery is alive and well in the game still if someone is doubting how good Chin is because he isn't 'skillful'. Literally every facet of the game he brings to the table makes him our most important player, and he is a Wexford legend. I've seen so many players that were genies at underage level, all the skill you could ask for. But they never really made it thereafter because they either didn't apply themselves in training, didn't have the work-rate on the field or didn't like the physicality of adult hurling. Want skill only, stick to the golf course (which a lot of those 'prodigies' end up doing anyway while moaning about there being no enjoyment in hurling anymore)." I think you've slightly misunderstood what I was saying. I've just compared him to Roy Keane. We have better technical players, Mogie is Ryan giggs Roc is Andy Cole Jacko is Teddy Sheringham Dee is Paul Scholes and so on Yet without Keane they were nothing. The same logic applies to chin Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 07/06/2023 16:34:59 2484796 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Best hurler of the last 30 years? So you were picking a team of the last 30 years then, who is the first name you write down? And above all it is your "go-to" guy who rarely lets you down. That is your best hurler. In my opinion, from the outside for the first 10ish, Liam Dunne is the first name I write down. Followed closely by Martin Storey. Then Damian Fitzhenry. Then Chin." Im the same generation kind of as you. Larry has to be on that list. Codd. Skippy. Rory McCarthy and Adrian Fenlon. Darragh Ryan. Doc and Darren Stamp. Eoin Quigley, Keith Rossiter, Gizzy and Rory Jacob. Hard thing is comparing different generations. The lads in the early 90s were a better team relative to the other counties than the current one. And a fully firing Chin is more important to the current team than any of the other lads were to theirs except perhaps Fitzhenry. One of Dunne, Storey and O'Gorman could have a relative off day and the team of the mid 90s could still win against the best. When Chin doesn't have his best day we really struggle. Even against Westmeath. So you could say he's more important, more of a "go to guy". Probably for me- 1- Fitzhenry 2- Chin 3- Storey 4- Larry 5- Dunne 6- McCarthy 7- Fenlon 8- Darragh Ryan 9- Dee O Keefe 10- Rory Jacob Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 07/06/2023 16:56:00 2484801 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "I think you've slightly misunderstood what I was saying. I've just compared him to Roy Keane. We have better technical players, Mogie is Ryan giggs Roc is Andy Cole Jacko is Teddy Sheringham Dee is Paul Scholes and so on Yet without Keane they were nothing. The same logic applies to chin" Wish you'd stop comparing our lads to those pampered babies from Manchester. Except Teddy- Legend. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 07/06/2023 16:57:45 2484802 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "For me it's fitzy in my lifetime. In my opinion he's the one that stands out as the best in the country for a sustained period. In an era of great goalkeepers he was the very best. After that, Darragh Ryan (second only to o Donnell I'm told) Liam Dunne Larry O Storey Gizzy Codd (criminally underrated) Rossi (also savagely under appreciated) Can't overlook Rory Jacob either Rory mac one of the most skilful I ever saw" Very similar list to mine! Codd and Gizzy were great freetakers wish one of them had of been around the last 6 or 7 years. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 07/06/2023 16:59:11 2484803 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Best hurler of the last 30 years? So you were picking a team of the last 30 years then, who is the first name you write down? And above all it is your "go-to" guy who rarely lets you down. That is your best hurler. In my opinion, from the outside for the first 10ish, Liam Dunne is the first name I write down. Followed closely by Martin Storey. Then Damian Fitzhenry. Then Chin." Damien Fitzhenry for the sole reason that if a greatest ever 15 was to be picked today, he's the only Wexford hurler since the 50s/60s who'd definitely be in the mix and I feel would get it. Greatest goalie I've ever seen and in an Era of great goalies he stood tallest. As for the other best, Larry O'Gorman never got the credit he deserved outside of Wexford, was a great hurler, George O'Connor, imagine how the modern game wouldve suited him probably more than his own prime, great hurler. Martin Storey, Darragh Ryan, Keith Rossiter, Rory McCarthy, Rory Jacob to name a few more. Liam Dunne and Lee Chin though for me are the best weve produced outside of Fitzhenry. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 07/06/2023 17:25:41 2484810 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Very similar list to mine! Codd and Gizzy were great freetakers wish one of them had of been around the last 6 or 7 years." You know I don't ever remember him missing Half the windows in pineridge were broke with the height he hit it Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 07/06/2023 17:56:41 2484816 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Wish you'd stop comparing our lads to those pampered babies from Manchester. Except Teddy- Legend." Fair. Just thought it was the easiest way to illustrate the point haha Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 07/06/2023 18:03:38 2484817 Link
Lads, Just imagine if Chin was playing with Limerick........... WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 495 - 07/06/2023 22:21:27 2484854 Link
Replying To Viking66: "For sure. But I did feel at the time up in Carlow that we didn't use our size to our advantage. Cork didn't make the same mistake." Was harder to do for us in Carlow as it was like a home match for offaly. After the red card I felt the referee was looking to penalise us. wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 08/06/2023 06:29:40 2484861 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Im the same generation kind of as you. Larry has to be on that list. Codd. Skippy. Rory McCarthy and Adrian Fenlon. Darragh Ryan. Doc and Darren Stamp. Eoin Quigley, Keith Rossiter, Gizzy and Rory Jacob. Hard thing is comparing different generations. The lads in the early 90s were a better team relative to the other counties than the current one. And a fully firing Chin is more important to the current team than any of the other lads were to theirs except perhaps Fitzhenry. One of Dunne, Storey and O'Gorman could have a relative off day and the team of the mid 90s could still win against the best. When Chin doesn't have his best day we really struggle. Even against Westmeath. So you could say he's more important, more of a "go to guy". Probably for me- 1- Fitzhenry 2- Chin 3- Storey 4- Larry 5- Dunne 6- McCarthy 7- Fenlon 8- Darragh Ryan 9- Dee O Keefe 10- Rory Jacob" Would love to see Rory O Connor push himself on into this kind of conversation . He has the talent to do it Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 08/06/2023 09:31:24 2484864 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "Would love to see Rory O Connor push himself on into this kind of conversation . He has the talent to do it" Rory and Damien the likeliest two of their age group Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 08/06/2023 10:36:30 2484881 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Rory and Damien the likeliest two of their age group" The result against Kilkenny was all the more impressive with the recks missing. Didn't think we could carry losing both. For the fun of it Fitzy Rossi Ryan Jippo D reck Dunne Larry o Gizzy Stamp Codd Storey Chin R Jacob Mac Roc Griffin in charge obviously. Niamh Fitz for psychology Billy Walsh s and c Myself, viking and John conran as selectors :) Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3567 - 08/06/2023 11:57:51 2484902 Link