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presuming there will be no AI for Dublin this year (I would still write them off completely at my peril!) who else will be stepping away? Scully/ Costello? Surely other keeper options need to be fully explored, Clucko a legend but I do not think his kickouts were the business at the weekend and continuing to have faith in him will only put off other keepers from throwing the lot in gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 628 - 01/05/2025 10:28:30 2605950 Link
Replying To gaelsboy: "presuming there will be no AI for Dublin this year (I would still write them off completely at my peril!) who else will be stepping away? Scully/ Costello? Surely other keeper options need to be fully explored, Clucko a legend but I do not think his kickouts were the business at the weekend and continuing to have faith in him will only put off other keepers from throwing the lot in" Those 3, John Small and don't be surprised if CK goes also.... That would leave only Howard & Con remaining from that great Dublin team. Time waits for no man - massive amount of mileage on the clock for all those players. Dublin legends, the vast majority of them. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 10:59:20 2605965 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Those 3, John Small and don't be surprised if CK goes also.... That would leave only Howard & Con remaining from that great Dublin team. Time waits for no man - massive amount of mileage on the clock for all those players. Dublin legends, the vast majority of them." Wouldn't be surprised to see a few lads opt back in if Dessie moved aside at the end of the summer if I'm honest. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4511 - 01/05/2025 11:44:10 2605984 Link
Only a few are over 30 Niall Scull - 31 Ciaran Kilkenny - 31 Cormac Costell0 - 30 Stephen Cluxton - 43 David Byrne - 30 The bigger problem is the ones that should be around the panel and have quit Brian Fenton - 31 Jack McCaffrey - 32 Paul Mannion - 32 They all could have been making a contribution to the team/panel this year and even next year. If they players have the desire to play, they could be impact subs at 33/34 no problem. Having those experienced former all stars to come on with 30min to go - makes all the difference in big matches The biggest loss has been Dean Rock - he was an 80% free taker which got them over the line loads of times - having a 60% free taker doesn't get you there. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1349 - 01/05/2025 11:46:41 2605985 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Wouldn't be surprised to see a few lads opt back in if Dessie moved aside at the end of the summer if I'm honest. ;)" Fair point actually. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 11:59:56 2605993 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Only a few are over 30 Niall Scull - 31 Ciaran Kilkenny - 31 Cormac Costell0 - 30 Stephen Cluxton - 43 David Byrne - 30 The bigger problem is the ones that should be around the panel and have quit Brian Fenton - 31 Jack McCaffrey - 32 Paul Mannion - 32 They all could have been making a contribution to the team/panel this year and even next year. If they players have the desire to play, they could be impact subs at 33/34 no problem. Having those experienced former all stars to come on with 30min to go - makes all the difference in big matches The biggest loss has been Dean Rock - he was an 80% free taker which got them over the line loads of times - having a 60% free taker doesn't get you there." no doubt those 3 men would have gotten them over the line. Unless an AI is achieved I would say most of those lads will be gone but also yes, Farrell will definitely be gone, so that could change the dynamic. At the same time they might be better investing in and encouraging youth rather than relying on stagers gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 628 - 01/05/2025 12:17:29 2606000 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Wouldn't be surprised to see a few lads opt back in if Dessie moved aside at the end of the summer if I'm honest. ;)" Nor would I! We had far too much experience and know how leaving the dressing room in such a short space of time. And now we are blooding too many young lads at the same time whereas previously they were drip fed in and slotting into star studded line ups. I genuinely believe this year even with holding onto Fenton and Mannion alone we would go very very close. I just wonder if a better manager would have managed to keep the band together a bit longer. I mean I've no complaints about fellas feeling their time is up but you can't tell me at 31 that they didn't have more to give. Paul Conroy FOTY last year at 35 and still going now approaching 36. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 01/05/2025 12:43:55 2606005 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Nor would I! We had far too much experience and know how leaving the dressing room in such a short space of time. And now we are blooding too many young lads at the same time whereas previously they were drip fed in and slotting into star studded line ups. I genuinely believe this year even with holding onto Fenton and Mannion alone we would go very very close. I just wonder if a better manager would have managed to keep the band together a bit longer. I mean I've no complaints about fellas feeling their time is up but you can't tell me at 31 that they didn't have more to give. Paul Conroy FOTY last year at 35 and still going now approaching 36." Spot on also. I dont want to sound greedy but with the star players we have had since 2020, you could suggest we have actually under achieved. it will be 2 Sam's in 6 years by the end of this season. I honestly believe we should have won more than that tbh. By the time a new manager comes in, those star players will be past their best unfortunately. Another worry for me is the lack of underage success currently. It is bonkers. Louth and Meath are overtaking us, and from u15's up it is no better.... What is going on here.??? With all the money spent on coaching in Dublin, where are the results from their labours. Louth will have 10 of their starting 15 playing u20 again next year. Meath are building nicely also. Dublin GAA will have a lot on their agenda by season end in my opinion. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 13:04:43 2606011 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Spot on also. I dont want to sound greedy but with the star players we have had since 2020, you could suggest we have actually under achieved. it will be 2 Sam's in 6 years by the end of this season. I honestly believe we should have won more than that tbh. By the time a new manager comes in, those star players will be past their best unfortunately. Another worry for me is the lack of underage success currently. It is bonkers. Louth and Meath are overtaking us, and from u15's up it is no better.... What is going on here.??? With all the money spent on coaching in Dublin, where are the results from their labours. Louth will have 10 of their starting 15 playing u20 again next year. Meath are building nicely also. Dublin GAA will have a lot on their agenda by season end in my opinion." "With all the money spent on coaching in Dublin" Have ye not being telling everyone for years it had nothing to do with money? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1573 - 01/05/2025 13:17:36 2606015 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Nor would I! We had far too much experience and know how leaving the dressing room in such a short space of time. And now we are blooding too many young lads at the same time whereas previously they were drip fed in and slotting into star studded line ups. I genuinely believe this year even with holding onto Fenton and Mannion alone we would go very very close. I just wonder if a better manager would have managed to keep the band together a bit longer. I mean I've no complaints about fellas feeling their time is up but you can't tell me at 31 that they didn't have more to give. Paul Conroy FOTY last year at 35 and still going now approaching 36." Could be relevant that say Conroy has never won Sam, Fenton and Mannion's hunger for success has been satisfied over and over. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 876 - 01/05/2025 13:23:01 2606018 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Could be relevant that say Conroy has never won Sam, Fenton and Mannion's hunger for success has been satisfied over and over." Very true I should have said "more to give physically" and I guess a Dub from the glory years would have arguably a lot more miles on the clock that most having got to finals and semi-finals every single year since making their debuts. It does go a long way though having nothing left to prove. Look at Horgan with the Cork hurlers, would he be there again this year if they'd got over the line last year.. maybe not. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 01/05/2025 14:36:55 2606036 Link
Replying To oneoff: ""With all the money spent on coaching in Dublin" Have ye not being telling everyone for years it had nothing to do with money?" Well clearly the recent money didnt work or we would have a conveyor belt.... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 14:38:19 2606037 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Could be relevant that say Conroy has never won Sam, Fenton and Mannion's hunger for success has been satisfied over and over." Hunger after such a level of success, has to wain a little. You will always keep trying to reach to holy grail as long as your body says yes. Do you have that same level of hunger with 7 or 8 All Ireland medals in your pocket.? I dont think so to be honest. But even still - the guys not playing this year are still young and top class players. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 14:42:35 2606039 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Spot on also. I dont want to sound greedy but with the star players we have had since 2020, you could suggest we have actually under achieved. it will be 2 Sam's in 6 years by the end of this season. I honestly believe we should have won more than that tbh. By the time a new manager comes in, those star players will be past their best unfortunately. Another worry for me is the lack of underage success currently. It is bonkers. Louth and Meath are overtaking us, and from u15's up it is no better.... What is going on here.??? With all the money spent on coaching in Dublin, where are the results from their labours. Louth will have 10 of their starting 15 playing u20 again next year. Meath are building nicely also. Dublin GAA will have a lot on their agenda by season end in my opinion." Gentrification really, how many Dubs have moved out to Ashbourne, Dunsaughlan, Navan - all aover Kildare and even up to Louth. It will be natural with the influx of youth into these areas that their organic game will develop - same way our did with 2nd or 3rd generation players from country backgrounds. That inward migration isn't as strong as it was in Dublin anymore. and Dublin is moving North and West and South of the county border. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4511 - 01/05/2025 14:48:20 2606041 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Very true I should have said "more to give physically" and I guess a Dub from the glory years would have arguably a lot more miles on the clock that most having got to finals and semi-finals every single year since making their debuts. It does go a long way though having nothing left to prove. Look at Horgan with the Cork hurlers, would he be there again this year if they'd got over the line last year.. maybe not." If Cork win Liam this year, we will not see Horgan in a Cork jersey next season. And similarly with Conroy for Galway, if he wins Sam this year. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4192 - 01/05/2025 15:05:04 2606051 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Gentrification really, how many Dubs have moved out to Ashbourne, Dunsaughlan, Navan - all aover Kildare and even up to Louth. It will be natural with the influx of youth into these areas that their organic game will develop - same way our did with 2nd or 3rd generation players from country backgrounds. That inward migration isn't as strong as it was in Dublin anymore. and Dublin is moving North and West and South of the county border." I think there is merit in part to this argument certainly in the development or border counties. However I've worked in an underage set up in lets say one of Dublin's so-called Super Clubs over the last decade at various points and playing numbers at all grades are through the roof. I work with a lad involved in Crokes also and he was just telling me they have 5 x U12 lads football panels this year. The club I was with had over 100 turn up for U16 trials a few years back too. Even if commuter towns are exploding population wise and therefore they are putting good teams out now at underage level, how does that excuse the fact they've surpassed us in practically every grade in recent times? TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 01/05/2025 15:07:00 2606052 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Well clearly the recent money didnt work or we would have a conveyor belt...." So you're saying Dublin have wasted all the money they've been given? You're starting to sound like Paul Flynn now. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1573 - 01/05/2025 16:00:54 2606069 Link