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Kerry Vs Tyrone

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Nah neither will happen. Tyrone aren't near the level of Dublin mayo or particularly Kerry. If Tyrone can keep it to less than 10 point defeat that would be brilliant for their progress."
Think Tyrone are a lot better than that RD, they haven't hit their potential yet at all, serious team when and if they hit form, covid probably has scuppered their chance this year but we'll see Sat wk.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3410 - 17/08/2021 12:29:27    2372331

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Replying To avonali:  "Only kidding ye lad. We went out with a whimper as I suspected."
I did not see that coming Avon boy, I was totally blindsided and that's why I don't gamble coz I'd have put the house on dublin and the farm on dublin at half time.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/08/2021 13:11:43    2372357

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I was reading in the Indo about how the Tyrone have had to respond to Covid. I'm shocked that the rate of infection up there is so high. I'm appalled that half of their squad of young, fit and healthy men have been laid low- and some hospitalised- by this latter day plague.

At the risk of spouting heresy, this is just a game. Life isn't a game. It's great that it's going ahead. It wouldn't be the worst tragedy ever if the season was stopped in its tracks. Family, friends and health matter far more.

I hope that we all hold on to that sense of perspective here after as I honestly think that some of us tend to lose the plot entirely at this stage of the year. We shouldn't. You're a rooster this season. You'll be a feather duster the next. Life goes on!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 17/08/2021 14:01:02    2372380

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I did not see that coming Avon boy, I was totally blindsided and that's why I don't gamble coz I'd have put the house on dublin and the farm on dublin at half time."
Well KB, what's the prognosis now that the blue juggernaut is in the ditch? Will the green machine now lay waste to all and sundry to set the platform for their own drive for five? It seems as though it's the likely outcome.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 17/08/2021 14:01:13    2372382

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Tyrone have handled their Covid protocols very poorly here. The more we hear the worse it gets.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8482 - 17/08/2021 14:19:33    2372397

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Replying To plike:  "I was reading in the Indo about how the Tyrone have had to respond to Covid. I'm shocked that the rate of infection up there is so high. I'm appalled that half of their squad of young, fit and healthy men have been laid low- and some hospitalised- by this latter day plague.

At the risk of spouting heresy, this is just a game. Life isn't a game. It's great that it's going ahead. It wouldn't be the worst tragedy ever if the season was stopped in its tracks. Family, friends and health matter far more.

I hope that we all hold on to that sense of perspective here after as I honestly think that some of us tend to lose the plot entirely at this stage of the year. We shouldn't. You're a rooster this season. You'll be a feather duster the next. Life goes on!"
It's the same carry on in every other part of the UK I'm sure, not just in Tyrone , so it's unfair to single them out.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 14:26:10    2372402

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Tyrone have handled their Covid protocols very poorly here. The more we hear the worse it gets."
What have you heard?

Can you give us some examples of how Tyrone have handled their protocols?

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 934 - 17/08/2021 14:28:58    2372404

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Replying To Saynothing:  "There's a gap there but only between the top 2. Why people keep blowing up Mayo I never know. Not enough elite forwards, to me that's were their strength lies. If Donnelly, Harte,Sludden have good games they won't be far away."
what you reckon now?

mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 85 - 17/08/2021 14:30:38    2372406

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Replying To plike:  "I was reading in the Indo about how the Tyrone have had to respond to Covid. I'm shocked that the rate of infection up there is so high. I'm appalled that half of their squad of young, fit and healthy men have been laid low- and some hospitalised- by this latter day plague.

At the risk of spouting heresy, this is just a game. Life isn't a game. It's great that it's going ahead. It wouldn't be the worst tragedy ever if the season was stopped in its tracks. Family, friends and health matter far more.

I hope that we all hold on to that sense of perspective here after as I honestly think that some of us tend to lose the plot entirely at this stage of the year. We shouldn't. You're a rooster this season. You'll be a feather duster the next. Life goes on!"
Who has been hospitalised and how dire is their prognosis?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 17/08/2021 14:31:54    2372408

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's the same carry on in every other part of the UK I'm sure, not just in Tyrone , so it's unfair to single them out."
Well, I'm sure you will agree that, at least, we're not British. You're wrong anyway - the North is significantly worse than GB. From the BBC:

"The latest data, for the seven days up until 1 August, puts Northern Ireland's infection rate (per 100,000 population) at more than three times that of Wales and Scotland:

England - 282.1
Scotland - 143.6
Wales - 141.5
Northern Ireland - 445.3
The Irish government doesn't publish a seven-day infection rate, but it can be worked out. For the same period, it was 185.2 - much lower than Northern Ireland's."

The demographic driving this rise in the North primarily is the under 30s, who are most resistant to getting vaccinated and who are back living like it's 2019.

It also seems to be an Ulster thing - Donegal and Southern border counties not great for covid transmission either. Funny how the anti-Tyrone narrative has progressed though - first Tyrone was making it up; and now, as reports come out about 20 cases, some ill in bed, and some in hospital, it's their fault for catching it in the first place ...

Essentially, if you're young and unable to work from home in the North, you're very likely to catch it. Within Tyrone itself, the highest clusters are in the larger towns to the North, e.g., Strabane and Dungannon.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 17/08/2021 14:54:59    2372418

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Replying To Wally:  "What have you heard?

Can you give us some examples of how Tyrone have handled their protocols?"
Players were not encouraged to get vaccinated in case it had an impact on their training. That's just one. It's quite clear that out of the 4 teams in the semi final Tyrone were the only ones who did not push a proper vaccination programme. I would find that inexcusable. That's before we get into any cases caught from post match celebrations.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8482 - 17/08/2021 14:58:00    2372422

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Replying To mayomanic:  "what you reckon now?"
As the solider would say, " hands up" got that wrong. I'll definitely admit it. What I noticed on Saturday was can Mayo afford to shoot from distance against Kerry. Everything went over v the Dubs.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2402 - 17/08/2021 14:58:10    2372423

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Who has been hospitalised and how dire is their prognosis?"
Well I suppose the answer to that is that it's none of our business - patient health is a GDPR issue. In any event, the q is irrelevant - if you have covid even to a moderate degree, even after you've recovered from the primary symptoms and are back on your feet again, you will be feeble enough for a couple of months afterwards. The fatigue you have with it is like being drugged. A week's delay, 2 weeks, a month, doesn't matter; you will not be near 100% for several months afterwards. It will be a considerable achievement by Tyrone even if they can keep the defeat respectable.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 17/08/2021 15:02:02    2372426

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Who has been hospitalised and how dire is their prognosis?"
Do ye have to be hospitalised for it to matter? Don't think he was in with a stubbed big toe. Clue, Covid=lungs= ventilator = hospital. Lots of players have asthma so I'm sure this would hit them hard. Not just Tyrone boys.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2402 - 17/08/2021 15:09:35    2372428

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Players were not encouraged to get vaccinated in case it had an impact on their training. That's just one. It's quite clear that out of the 4 teams in the semi final Tyrone were the only ones who did not push a proper vaccination programme. I would find that inexcusable. That's before we get into any cases caught from post match celebrations."
Were did you get this information from.

Can you please post a link to the proof that players were not encouraged to get vaccinated?

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 934 - 17/08/2021 15:30:12    2372437

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Replying To Saynothing:  "As the solider would say, " hands up" got that wrong. I'll definitely admit it. What I noticed on Saturday was can Mayo afford to shoot from distance against Kerry. Everything went over v the Dubs."
The Mayo not having good forwards is a line which is trotted out a lot. Mayo have always acted as a collective for the last 10 years and have beaten all the big teams along the way. Yes they have come up short in finals but even in the 17 final their shooting percentages were off the charts. Near perfect. Tyrone forward line still very much unproven as well.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8482 - 17/08/2021 15:41:38    2372443

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Replying To Wally:  "Were did you get this information from.

Can you please post a link to the proof that players were not encouraged to get vaccinated?"
I am not anti Tyrone and not here to cause controversy but the optics are poor. Surely you are aware of the comments made by Logan? He is part of the actual decision making process here!!

I had to laugh on here and even commented when people were lauding Tyrone for withdrawing from the game. As if there was ever a chance the game was not going ahead at some stage.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8482 - 17/08/2021 15:45:34    2372447

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We are talking about an invisible virus that eventually everyone will catch. To try to blame anyone for catching it is daft.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 17/08/2021 15:53:08    2372450

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People who question what "Tyrone" were doing forget that all it took was 1 person among the whole set up to pick the virus up to infect so many.

It might not even have been a player at all.

All these players work and live in the community, plenty people have picked up the virus even though they were cautious.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 16:00:06    2372453

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I see John Fogarty has some Tyrone fans up in arms on Twitter with an article he wrote. It's really inflammatory and questions what they did wrong. Mentions Cork, Kerry, Limerick and most of Mayo teams are fully vaccinated so why aren't they. There's a nasty tone to it imo.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 17/08/2021 16:24:52    2372466

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