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Replying To bdbuddah: "I'm no medical expert but I've a feeling the extra week will leave Tyrone fully ready fitness wise for this game as they should have time to recover and with self isolation timelines served will have some prep time before the game.
The reason I think this is I have not heard Premier League players who got Covid suffering from lingering effects of Covid.
The South African rugby team had a very similar outbreak of Covid recently and shortly afterwards were able to play and win a three game rugby series. It seems most healthy athletes need only a short recovery time from Covid." I never do any beal bocht stuff and refer to call it exactly as I see it. In the 00s, i always felt we could beat Kerry, but only if we did everything right. In the teens, I thought we'd only ever beat Kerry if we would have gotten lucky; e.g., Kerry would have to score a couple of own goals or similar. In 2021, with a full pick and nobody injured or ill or convalescent, if both teams play up to their potential, Kerry may not be 6 goals a better team, but they are 3-4 points the better team all day long. We'd have to get a bit lucky to beat Kerry, or play out of our skins, and for them to have an off-day kind of thing. That is, possible, but not likely. With this covid carry on however, a Tyrone win is an impossibility. No disrespect, but you do not shake off the full effects of covid in a week. Much as we'd all like to see a proper game between 2 teams in peak form, that is not what we're going to get. There is an amazing amount of head-in-sand commentary on this.
It's one thing is you're merely isolating because you've come into contact, or if you get covid, and, like many, have no symptoms. I agree with you that in those cases it wouldn't make much difference.
But if you get covid, and have severe symptoms, you won't be back for months - double pneumonia and fluid on the lungs tends to rule out sport ... even if you do not have pneumonia, and have only moderate symptoms, there usually is an after effect. You will be OK-ish for a club game; you will be fine for everyday activities etc. You will not be OK for hard exertion however. Go at the weights hard, run hard, and you will find yourself missing a couple of gears.
This is not beal bocht stuff; this is just how symptomatic covid is. Not naming names, but there are some of our best players confined to bed with it. The idea that they will be back firing on all cylinders in a couple of weeks is about as realistic as Biden saying that the Afghan army would hold off the Taliban. Ain't happening.
This is typical:
"British Olympic walker Tom Bosworth (30) contacted the virus last March just weeks after setting new 5,000m and 10,000m British records but says he did not feel "back to normal" until early August. He had resumed light training in May but found a coronavirus "weird effect" on his body. "Even gardening was taking me out of breath," he confessed. "A few weeks earlier, I was in the form of my life, I'd set back-to-back British records and I just couldn't believe something could take me down as quickly as it did. "I did get back to training in May and went too hard, I really pushed my body, and it all just flared back up like the effects of any virus, neural effects, joint pain, that sort of thing, it all came back. "But then as the days went on, and I built up training - and we're just talking about training once a day, I usually train twice a day - and by the end of a few weeks of that it was back to square one and literally putting one foot in front of another was so painful."
I hope we give you a game of it to some extent, but I'm mainly looking at this as an opportunity to try out a few lads who might otherwise be overlooked.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 16/08/2021 13:43:32
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Replying To essmac: "I never do any beal bocht stuff and refer to call it exactly as I see it. In the 00s, i always felt we could beat Kerry, but only if we did everything right. In the teens, I thought we'd only ever beat Kerry if we would have gotten lucky; e.g., Kerry would have to score a couple of own goals or similar. In 2021, with a full pick and nobody injured or ill or convalescent, if both teams play up to their potential, Kerry may not be 6 goals a better team, but they are 3-4 points the better team all day long. We'd have to get a bit lucky to beat Kerry, or play out of our skins, and for them to have an off-day kind of thing. That is, possible, but not likely. With this covid carry on however, a Tyrone win is an impossibility. No disrespect, but you do not shake off the full effects of covid in a week. Much as we'd all like to see a proper game between 2 teams in peak form, that is not what we're going to get. There is an amazing amount of head-in-sand commentary on this.
It's one thing is you're merely isolating because you've come into contact, or if you get covid, and, like many, have no symptoms. I agree with you that in those cases it wouldn't make much difference.
But if you get covid, and have severe symptoms, you won't be back for months - double pneumonia and fluid on the lungs tends to rule out sport ... even if you do not have pneumonia, and have only moderate symptoms, there usually is an after effect. You will be OK-ish for a club game; you will be fine for everyday activities etc. You will not be OK for hard exertion however. Go at the weights hard, run hard, and you will find yourself missing a couple of gears.
This is not beal bocht stuff; this is just how symptomatic covid is. Not naming names, but there are some of our best players confined to bed with it. The idea that they will be back firing on all cylinders in a couple of weeks is about as realistic as Biden saying that the Afghan army would hold off the Taliban. Ain't happening.
This is typical:
"British Olympic walker Tom Bosworth (30) contacted the virus last March just weeks after setting new 5,000m and 10,000m British records but says he did not feel "back to normal" until early August. He had resumed light training in May but found a coronavirus "weird effect" on his body. "Even gardening was taking me out of breath," he confessed. "A few weeks earlier, I was in the form of my life, I'd set back-to-back British records and I just couldn't believe something could take me down as quickly as it did. "I did get back to training in May and went too hard, I really pushed my body, and it all just flared back up like the effects of any virus, neural effects, joint pain, that sort of thing, it all came back. "But then as the days went on, and I built up training - and we're just talking about training once a day, I usually train twice a day - and by the end of a few weeks of that it was back to square one and literally putting one foot in front of another was so painful."
I hope we give you a game of it to some extent, but I'm mainly looking at this as an opportunity to try out a few lads who might otherwise be overlooked." Taking out the obvious medical issues, I'd have to agree with your post but think you're being a little generous. I think Kerry are 10 points a better team than Tyrone and with what has happened with Covid this could be pushed out closer to 15 points.
Ulster football is getting stronger and are a good league province but in championship terms have done very little of note over the last five years or so. Kerry last won an All Ireland in 2014, it was 2009 before that and have had to watch Dublin get all the credit. Kerry I suspect don't forget the 00's and will always show Tyrone teams the utmost respect; this Kerry team are on a mission. Mayo is another day but this semi final could be a very long afternoon for Tyrone.
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Tyrone will do more than well to come out of this with a deficit of less than double digits. This All Ireland is Kerrys to lose.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 16/08/2021 14:29:06
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Replying To border Gael: "Tyrone will do more than well to come out of this with a deficit of less than double digits. This All Ireland is Kerrys to lose." I dunno, I make the final a 50/50 game no matter who wins this semi, Mayo have the tails up after dethroning the Dubs and they have a very good young team now if they shed the deadweight of the likes of Aidan O'Shea they'll have a right good chance of winning it.
Kerry are still unproven, that defeat to Cork last year while flukey should not have happened a team with this potential, and that's all it is until they land the big one.
Glad Tyrone are going to get to play the semi final anyway.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3410 - 16/08/2021 19:28:00
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I dunno, I make the final a 50/50 game no matter who wins this semi, Mayo have the tails up after dethroning the Dubs and they have a very good young team now if they shed the deadweight of the likes of Aidan O'Shea they'll have a right good chance of winning it.
Kerry are still unproven, that defeat to Cork last year while flukey should not have happened a team with this potential, and that's all it is until they land the big one.
Glad Tyrone are going to get to play the semi final anyway." I don't know Tír Chonaill sure neither of the 3 teams left have landed the big 1 since Kerry in 2014, but I agree Kerry are unproven especially this year as we've only played and beat teams from division 2 and 3 in the championship,
We might well go out with a whimper like last year.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/08/2021 21:06:46
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Lets be honest here , it was great to see Tyrone get the extra time to prepare but Kerry are going to eat this Tyrone team alive. Tyrone have a very average full back line and will get badly exposed by the Kerry FF line in Croke park, McNamee in particular will be targeted as i expect Michael O'Neill will as well in the centre half back line. No doubt Tyrone are an up and coming team, but they are some way away from being able to challenge or beat any of the other semi finalists. Mayo's only chance of lifting Sam is if somehow Tyrone pull off an even bigger shock then they did on Saturday.
BilboNaggins (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 16/08/2021 23:03:33
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Replying To essmac: "I never do any beal bocht stuff and refer to call it exactly as I see it. In the 00s, i always felt we could beat Kerry, but only if we did everything right. In the teens, I thought we'd only ever beat Kerry if we would have gotten lucky; e.g., Kerry would have to score a couple of own goals or similar. In 2021, with a full pick and nobody injured or ill or convalescent, if both teams play up to their potential, Kerry may not be 6 goals a better team, but they are 3-4 points the better team all day long. We'd have to get a bit lucky to beat Kerry, or play out of our skins, and for them to have an off-day kind of thing. That is, possible, but not likely. With this covid carry on however, a Tyrone win is an impossibility. No disrespect, but you do not shake off the full effects of covid in a week. Much as we'd all like to see a proper game between 2 teams in peak form, that is not what we're going to get. There is an amazing amount of head-in-sand commentary on this.
It's one thing is you're merely isolating because you've come into contact, or if you get covid, and, like many, have no symptoms. I agree with you that in those cases it wouldn't make much difference.
But if you get covid, and have severe symptoms, you won't be back for months - double pneumonia and fluid on the lungs tends to rule out sport ... even if you do not have pneumonia, and have only moderate symptoms, there usually is an after effect. You will be OK-ish for a club game; you will be fine for everyday activities etc. You will not be OK for hard exertion however. Go at the weights hard, run hard, and you will find yourself missing a couple of gears.
This is not beal bocht stuff; this is just how symptomatic covid is. Not naming names, but there are some of our best players confined to bed with it. The idea that they will be back firing on all cylinders in a couple of weeks is about as realistic as Biden saying that the Afghan army would hold off the Taliban. Ain't happening.
This is typical:
"British Olympic walker Tom Bosworth (30) contacted the virus last March just weeks after setting new 5,000m and 10,000m British records but says he did not feel "back to normal" until early August. He had resumed light training in May but found a coronavirus "weird effect" on his body. "Even gardening was taking me out of breath," he confessed. "A few weeks earlier, I was in the form of my life, I'd set back-to-back British records and I just couldn't believe something could take me down as quickly as it did. "I did get back to training in May and went too hard, I really pushed my body, and it all just flared back up like the effects of any virus, neural effects, joint pain, that sort of thing, it all came back. "But then as the days went on, and I built up training - and we're just talking about training once a day, I usually train twice a day - and by the end of a few weeks of that it was back to square one and literally putting one foot in front of another was so painful."
I hope we give you a game of it to some extent, but I'm mainly looking at this as an opportunity to try out a few lads who might otherwise be overlooked." Cases like Tom Bosworth happen but are not typical. I compared Tyrone footballers to the South African rugby team who had a similar outbreak in their camp in the weeks leading up to winning a 3 game series recently. People said in the build that so many had Covid in their camp they couldn't perform to a high level but in the end their performance levels did not seem to be affected.
Having said the above I'm not sure of the exact timelines of either Tyrone or South African team Covid outbreaks so I'm open to correction.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1416 - 17/08/2021 09:01:29
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Replying To BilboNaggins: "Lets be honest here , it was great to see Tyrone get the extra time to prepare but Kerry are going to eat this Tyrone team alive. Tyrone have a very average full back line and will get badly exposed by the Kerry FF line in Croke park, McNamee in particular will be targeted as i expect Michael O'Neill will as well in the centre half back line. No doubt Tyrone are an up and coming team, but they are some way away from being able to challenge or beat any of the other semi finalists. Mayo's only chance of lifting Sam is if somehow Tyrone pull off an even bigger shock then they did on Saturday." Tyrone won't defend man on man like they did in the league game in killarney bilbo and don't blame them, they'll defend as a unit and attack on the counter so it'll be hard for Kerry forwards to target any 1 particular defender.
Now if you flip the script I think everyone will agree that Kerry have the worst defence left in the competition, as they say in American football offence wins you games and defense wins you championships, I think Tyrone can make Hay against our defence but they'll have to get the ballance right between defence and attack.
They'll know that we have to attack as we can't defend, I expect Tyrone to bring high intensity to the game like they did in the 00s.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/08/2021 09:56:13
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Replying To BilboNaggins: "Lets be honest here , it was great to see Tyrone get the extra time to prepare but Kerry are going to eat this Tyrone team alive. Tyrone have a very average full back line and will get badly exposed by the Kerry FF line in Croke park, McNamee in particular will be targeted as i expect Michael O'Neill will as well in the centre half back line. No doubt Tyrone are an up and coming team, but they are some way away from being able to challenge or beat any of the other semi finalists. Mayo's only chance of lifting Sam is if somehow Tyrone pull off an even bigger shock then they did on Saturday." Kerry havent played a decent team in Championship football in 2 years. While they do on paper have a great young team who have won underage all Irelands to say they are streets ahead of a battle hardened Mayo or Tyrone team is a big leap of faith. I do think they are favourites against Tyrone, and Mayo too if they beat Tyrone well and Tyrone aren't too badly affected by the covid outbreak, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they lost to either of them.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 17/08/2021 09:56:52
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Replying To BilboNaggins: "Lets be honest here , it was great to see Tyrone get the extra time to prepare but Kerry are going to eat this Tyrone team alive. Tyrone have a very average full back line and will get badly exposed by the Kerry FF line in Croke park, McNamee in particular will be targeted as i expect Michael O'Neill will as well in the centre half back line. No doubt Tyrone are an up and coming team, but they are some way away from being able to challenge or beat any of the other semi finalists. Mayo's only chance of lifting Sam is if somehow Tyrone pull off an even bigger shock then they did on Saturday." Do ye not think most back lines are suspect. I think it's comes down to better forward lines now. On form Kerry forwards would eat all backlines alive including their own. We'll live in hope, die in despair.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2402 - 17/08/2021 10:08:44
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Tyrone won't defend man on man like they did in the league game in killarney bilbo and don't blame them, they'll defend as a unit and attack on the counter so it'll be hard for Kerry forwards to target any 1 particular defender.
Now if you flip the script I think everyone will agree that Kerry have the worst defence left in the competition, as they say in American football offence wins you games and defense wins you championships, I think Tyrone can make Hay against our defence but they'll have to get the ballance right between defence and attack.
They'll know that we have to attack as we can't defend, I expect Tyrone to bring high intensity to the game like they did in the 00s." Can I nominate my charity now?
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2025 - 17/08/2021 10:18:44
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Replying To BilboNaggins: "Lets be honest here , it was great to see Tyrone get the extra time to prepare but Kerry are going to eat this Tyrone team alive. Tyrone have a very average full back line and will get badly exposed by the Kerry FF line in Croke park, McNamee in particular will be targeted as i expect Michael O'Neill will as well in the centre half back line. No doubt Tyrone are an up and coming team, but they are some way away from being able to challenge or beat any of the other semi finalists. Mayo's only chance of lifting Sam is if somehow Tyrone pull off an even bigger shock then they did on Saturday." Would take the Tyrone full back line over the Kerry one every day of the week. Don't think they will win but wouldn't have had much between them had they met without the disruptions to Tyrone's preparation's. Kerry have had no elite opposition in near two years bar they league where teams are not at their best. Tyrone have some excellent players all over the field.
Also think Mayo will give who ever comes through plenty of it in the final. AOS who was shocking last weekend will dominate either of these teams if played around the middle.
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Replying To avonali: "Can I nominate my charity now?" I'd say your allright Avon, what was the bet again? Was it if dublin won you had to give €100 to the charity of my choice and if Kerry win then I pay €100 to the charity of your choice?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/08/2021 11:07:39
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Would take the Tyrone full back line over the Kerry one every day of the week. Don't think they will win but wouldn't have had much between them had they met without the disruptions to Tyrone's preparation's. Kerry have had no elite opposition in near two years bar they league where teams are not at their best. Tyrone have some excellent players all over the field.
Also think Mayo will give who ever comes through plenty of it in the final. AOS who was shocking last weekend will dominate either of these teams if played around the middle." Mayo didn't play any elite teams until the weekend but were still able to beat Dublin. I don't think that will effect Kerry. Kerry's defence will not have to be as good as Tyrone's need to be as Kerry's forwards are more dangerous.
However, football is a team sport and the collective can often beat the better players if a plan is put together that can nullify the opposition. Tyrone will come with a game plan and it remains to be seen if Kerry can cope with it. I don't think just sitting back and countering will work for Tyrone. They will need to really attack the Kerry team. However, I think this Kerry team are strong enough to win through.
Last point, if Mayo were to revert to putting AOS into midfield against Kerry (if they get there), it would suit Kerry. Moran would be too good for him. Mayo need to concentrate on pace and speed around the middle, not AOS slowing it down. Keep him in reserve in case plan A is not working.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 321 - 17/08/2021 11:29:27
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Would take the Tyrone full back line over the Kerry one every day of the week. Don't think they will win but wouldn't have had much between them had they met without the disruptions to Tyrone's preparation's. Kerry have had no elite opposition in near two years bar they league where teams are not at their best. Tyrone have some excellent players all over the field.
Also think Mayo will give who ever comes through plenty of it in the final. AOS who was shocking last weekend will dominate either of these teams if played around the middle." Mayo didn't play any elite teams until the weekend but were still able to beat Dublin. I don't think that will effect Kerry. Kerry's defence will not have to be as good as Tyrone's need to be as Kerry's forwards are more dangerous.
However, football is a team sport and the collective can often beat the better players if a plan is put together that can nullify the opposition. Tyrone will come with a game plan and it remains to be seen if Kerry can cope with it. I don't think just sitting back and countering will work for Tyrone. They will need to really attack the Kerry team. However, I think this Kerry team are strong enough to win through.
Last point, if Mayo were to revert to putting AOS into midfield against Kerry (if they get there), it would suit Kerry. Moran would be too good for him. Mayo need to concentrate on pace and speed around the middle, not AOS slowing it down. Keep him in reserve in case plan A is not working.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 321 - 17/08/2021 11:31:51
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I'd say your allright Avon, what was the bet again? Was it if dublin won you had to give €100 to the charity of my choice and if Kerry win then I pay €100 to the charity of your choice?" Only kidding ye lad. We went out with a whimper as I suspected.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2025 - 17/08/2021 11:52:31
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This game is perfect for a Tyrone ambush, it'll bring out their inner Ulster suffocation tactics.
Only a fool would write off Tyrone's chances here.
They could go on and win the All-Ireland yet never mind just beat Kerry.
That's the beauty of sport.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 11:59:27
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Replying To BaldyBadger: "Mayo didn't play any elite teams until the weekend but were still able to beat Dublin. I don't think that will effect Kerry. Kerry's defence will not have to be as good as Tyrone's need to be as Kerry's forwards are more dangerous.
However, football is a team sport and the collective can often beat the better players if a plan is put together that can nullify the opposition. Tyrone will come with a game plan and it remains to be seen if Kerry can cope with it. I don't think just sitting back and countering will work for Tyrone. They will need to really attack the Kerry team. However, I think this Kerry team are strong enough to win through.
Last point, if Mayo were to revert to putting AOS into midfield against Kerry (if they get there), it would suit Kerry. Moran would be too good for him. Mayo need to concentrate on pace and speed around the middle, not AOS slowing it down. Keep him in reserve in case plan A is not working." Mayo played Galway who are quite a bit better than Cork or anyone else Kerry faced.
Also think AOS is better than Moran but that's just my opinion also. We will see.
Kerry are my prediction to win it out but don't think they will get it easy. Kerry's forwards will be tested over the remaining games they play.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1228 - 17/08/2021 12:08:57
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Replying To AfricanGael: "This game is perfect for a Tyrone ambush, it'll bring out their inner Ulster suffocation tactics.
Only a fool would write off Tyrone's chances here.
They could go on and win the All-Ireland yet never mind just beat Kerry.
That's the beauty of sport." Nah neither will happen. Tyrone aren't near the level of Dublin mayo or particularly Kerry. If Tyrone can keep it to less than 10 point defeat that would be brilliant for their progress.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/08/2021 12:17:18
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Mayo played Galway who are quite a bit better than Cork or anyone else Kerry faced.
Also think AOS is better than Moran but that's just my opinion also. We will see.
Kerry are my prediction to win it out but don't think they will get it easy. Kerry's forwards will be tested over the remaining games they play." AOS is better than Moran??
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3410 - 17/08/2021 12:27:31
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