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Kerry Vs Tyrone

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I agree with a lot of your post. Without getting too bogged down on the political commentary, I presume you heard yesterday the doctors spokesperson referring to the acute shortage of medical personnel, the large number of unfilled consultant posts etc. This was in response to the INO's suggestion that hospital services should be curtailed due to nurse and other healthcare staff shortages.

Issues with our health service are complicated and not as readily solvable as they might initially seem. Not possible to magic up acute hospital beds when the personnel isn't there to staff them. Won't say any more on this as we should really be talking about the match only!
Give Tyrone the extra week postponement is what I say. If it takes til December to play the All Ireland so be it."
The beds and wards exist in every hospital. The reason we dont have more in use is because we dont have the staff. We still have less than half the European AVERAGE of ICU beds. Not half the best countries. Half the average. Apparently it takes €24k to train a nurse to be an ICU nurse. This money wasnt spent or even budgeted for between the 1st and 2nd waves.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 12/08/2021 15:27:28    2370196

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "
Replying To avonali:  "Co-morbidity, which is related to class, is the central issue. This is a particularly opportunistic virus.My point is that the way people are peddlling figures in here misses part of the issue. If you want to tackle this virus you cannot depend on vaccines and protocols exclusively. It's not just about severing the chains of transmission.
If I'm not making myself clear read one of the the scientists yourself.
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Peddling figures like actual numbers of deaths while you put forward spurious stuff about how Covid is some capitalist thing! Which originated in a socialist laboratory, ironically.

Social "science" by the way is no more scientific that tipping horses."
I find your insistence that COVID hasn't caused a significant increase in deaths a bit strange, seeing as you seem to be against lengthy lockdowns or strict restrictions.

It is solely down to the fact that Ireland has imposed relatively strict measures that the death rate isn't far greater. Without these measures you would not be able to point to death figures to back your point up, it would in fact contradict it.

The reason Ireland has imposed the restrictions is 100% because of the lack of ICU beds and staff. If it was allowed to run amok, hospitals would be completely overwhelmed, and thousands of elderly and vulnerable people would be turned away to die at home. The government knows this, and rightly need to avoid it all costs. Because God knows they would be crucified by the public for sitting on their hands, and causing the deaths of so many.

It's not easy, no one enjoys these restrictions on enjoying life, but it is totally necessary. The alternative would be catastrophic.

Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 131 - 12/08/2021 16:47:13    2370231

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This great government sent hundreds and hundreds of old people back to nursing homes out of hospitals in the beginning of the pandemic without ever testing them for Covid thus infecting hundreds of innocent residents in homes and sentencing them to their deaths…. That's the legacy of this great FF/FG shambles of a government has to show….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 12/08/2021 17:10:39    2370236

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "Play the game a few weeks down the road, no rush
This will not effect club football"
That could not be further from the truth.

FeargalSR (USA) - Posts: 8 - 12/08/2021 18:06:21    2370242

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "This great government sent hundreds and hundreds of old people back to nursing homes out of hospitals in the beginning of the pandemic without ever testing them for Covid thus infecting hundreds of innocent residents in homes and sentencing them to their deaths…. That's the legacy of this great FF/FG shambles of a government has to show….!!!"
Depends on the hospitals and care homes. Some hospitals were rabid with COVID and elderly were much safer in well run carehomes. But some moved out of not too bad hospitals into badly run carehomes with a lot of COVID cases. Hindsight is mighty but at the start if the pandemic no-one had a clue how things would unfold. Not like a weather forecast for heavy rain tomorrow and data tells emergency services how to react. The government, HSE, NEPHET, some employers, lots of people made mistakes. Letting in people through airports looks ike one if the main one. Possibly someone had to decide at the start of lockdown we have X number of COVID tests but X + 3 million to be tested. Who do we test? Prob those frontline workers and most able bodied people with a longer life expectancy were prioritised. Sounds like a callous decision but it's possible. Politicians get blamed for a lot, rightly in many cases. But look across the pond when Premier League footballers were tested but the NHS was screwed because they didn't have tests for their nurses. That's not a bad decision, that's immoral.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8213 - 12/08/2021 18:16:46    2370244

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So, does anybody knows what's happening? Will Tyrone play in a weeks time or are they going to call the GAA's bluff and not pull out?

captainshamrock (Kerry) - Posts: 23 - 13/08/2021 13:45:22    2370437

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Replying To captainshamrock:  "So, does anybody knows what's happening? Will Tyrone play in a weeks time or are they going to call the GAA's bluff and not pull out?"
They should pull out and show up the GAA for what they are….!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 13/08/2021 15:35:42    2370468

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This all plays into Dublin's or Mayo's hands, as I'm sure others have remarked.

With a full squad and normal preparations done, Tyrone would have had at least some chance of an upset, and in any event would have given Kerry a tight game.

Let's be honest, both of those possibilities are now gone.

As things stand, it will either be a walkover, or a totally meaningless game. As anyone who has had covid knows all too well, even if you're young and fit, and even if you recover, for a few weeks / months afterwards, you're not fully recovered, and your ability to run takes a beating. You can feel 100% in everyday activities, but try some hard exercise, and it can be shocking how weak you really are. Colm Cavanagh in this week's Irish News noted how after he had supposedly recovered from covid (he got a mild dose), in his club training, his energy was poor and lads who he'd normally be leaving for dead were easily outpacing him. It can be pretty dangerous to try anything too strenuous for a few months.

It's a considerable disavantage for Kerry to be having to go into a final without having had a good battle - or no game at all - in the semi.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 13/08/2021 16:36:24    2370487

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There's talk here of Monaghan taking Tyrone's place. Terrible idea. Would they be these as themselves or merely representing Ulster? What if they pulled it off and won it out? Would they or Tyrone (à la Galway 1925) be All-Ireland champions? And at such short notice too; Kerry would ease to victory and be at a disadvantage in the final.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1218 - 13/08/2021 17:25:09    2370504

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Replying To essmac:  "This all plays into Dublin's or Mayo's hands, as I'm sure others have remarked.

With a full squad and normal preparations done, Tyrone would have had at least some chance of an upset, and in any event would have given Kerry a tight game.

Let's be honest, both of those possibilities are now gone.

As things stand, it will either be a walkover, or a totally meaningless game. As anyone who has had covid knows all too well, even if you're young and fit, and even if you recover, for a few weeks / months afterwards, you're not fully recovered, and your ability to run takes a beating. You can feel 100% in everyday activities, but try some hard exercise, and it can be shocking how weak you really are. Colm Cavanagh in this week's Irish News noted how after he had supposedly recovered from covid (he got a mild dose), in his club training, his energy was poor and lads who he'd normally be leaving for dead were easily outpacing him. It can be pretty dangerous to try anything too strenuous for a few months.

It's a considerable disavantage for Kerry to be having to go into a final without having had a good battle - or no game at all - in the semi."
"Playing into someone's hands" isn't the terminology that should ever be used in a case where a team is weakened by illness. It just doesn't sound right.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 13/08/2021 17:51:34    2370510

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Replying To essmac:  "This all plays into Dublin's or Mayo's hands, as I'm sure others have remarked.

With a full squad and normal preparations done, Tyrone would have had at least some chance of an upset, and in any event would have given Kerry a tight game.

Let's be honest, both of those possibilities are now gone.

As things stand, it will either be a walkover, or a totally meaningless game. As anyone who has had covid knows all too well, even if you're young and fit, and even if you recover, for a few weeks / months afterwards, you're not fully recovered, and your ability to run takes a beating. You can feel 100% in everyday activities, but try some hard exercise, and it can be shocking how weak you really are. Colm Cavanagh in this week's Irish News noted how after he had supposedly recovered from covid (he got a mild dose), in his club training, his energy was poor and lads who he'd normally be leaving for dead were easily outpacing him. It can be pretty dangerous to try anything too strenuous for a few months.

It's a considerable disavantage for Kerry to be having to go into a final without having had a good battle - or no game at all - in the semi."
"As anyone who has had covid knows"? By the week ending April 2nd of this year a third of positive cases were asymptomatic.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 13/08/2021 18:59:45    2370523

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Replying To Galway9801:  ""As anyone who has had covid knows"? By the week ending April 2nd of this year a third of positive cases were asymptomatic."
Unfortunately this stat is not the case with Tyrone. Its the delta variant and there are a number of players sick with it.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 13/08/2021 23:44:49    2370602

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You've got to feel for Tyrone. If it's not something as mundane as foot and mouth denying them a certain league title one year, a daft own goal in the last minute another year its deeper, sadder tragedies. As someone who has close family ties to the county & has lived and played football there, I've always had a grá for Tyrone. They've seen darker days and come through them. They'll do the same again there's no doubt

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1071 - 14/08/2021 09:13:55    2370623

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If this was in an early round of the championship I would have said Tyrone should have to play as scheduled as the risk at that stage was as a knock on effect many games may have to be postponed. But with only 3 games left the risk of continual postponements of games is far less now. To me it's a no brainer that the GAA should give Tyrone their extra week. We have not had any quarter finals this year and the championship hasn't really grabbed people's attention in a big way yet, we need as many high profile games as possible. Give Tyrone their extra week, I don't think it's actually that big of a deal.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1416 - 14/08/2021 11:19:33    2370644

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Just give Tyrone as much time as they need, push the final out as long as it needs to be, im sure it will upset plans etc. But whats the alternative a devalued competition - just like the league this year.

Tyrone more then deserve their chance, the toughest route of all to get to this stage any thing else just devalues the whole shabang.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4528 - 14/08/2021 11:38:04    2370649

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Just give Tyrone as much time as they need, push the final out as long as it needs to be, im sure it will upset plans etc. But whats the alternative a devalued competition - just like the league this year.

Tyrone more then deserve their chance, the toughest route of all to get to this stage any thing else just devalues the whole shabang."
I agree, but right now no one can say how much time they need.

Some of the players are in "poor enough shape" so there is no guarantee that an extra week will make much difference.

The virus has bound to have weakened the players and they wont know to what extent until they go back playing again.

The way it looks now is that the GAA will not budge any further and the reason they gave them an extra six days was to get a team together and if they can't do that then the game will be awarded to Kerry.

If the season is prolonged too much then it will fly in the face of the very reason they didn't have qualifiers so that could open another can of worms.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 14/08/2021 12:23:08    2370656

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Just give Tyrone as much time as they need, push the final out as long as it needs to be, im sure it will upset plans etc. But whats the alternative a devalued competition - just like the league this year.

Tyrone more then deserve their chance, the toughest route of all to get to this stage any thing else just devalues the whole shabang."
That's not possible. Can't just postpone an all Ireland final at the drop of a hat. What about hotel bookings and travel plans for supporters ? Or the plans for the Croke park stewards and employees.

What about club fixtures in the four counties involved.

We knew that the last two years competition was not going to be ideal but I think we have to finish the competition and get on with the clubs.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1541 - 14/08/2021 12:23:31    2370657

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Strong rumor in the county this morning that Tyrone CB have informed Croke Pk that we won't be able to field in Saturday. Ball now it Croke Park's court to refix again or award the game to Kerry

downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 14/08/2021 13:06:43    2370677

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Tyrone GAA Statement Re All Ireland Semi-final Tyrone V. Kerry
This morning, the Tyrone GAA Management Committee has decided that it is not in a position to field its senior football team in the rescheduled All-Ireland football championship semi-final in Croke Park, on next Saturday.
Having received expert medical opinion on the existing, and future health and welfare of the players who contracted the Covid19 virus during the period of this last two weeks, and following consultation with the team's management, this decision has been made with the greatest reluctance, and with deep regret.
It is acknowledged that the decision taken will cause major disappointment and significant inconvenience for the Association, in general, the GAA fraternity of Kerry, and especially for Tyrone's patrons and supporters, but the welfare and safety of players has been the over-riding factor in all considerations of this difficult situation.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2102 - 14/08/2021 13:17:10    2370678

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Tyrone have now issued an official statement

downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 14/08/2021 13:17:13    2370679

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