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Kerry Vs Tyrone

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So Covid is a class issue now :-)

No wonder the country's jiggered......

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 11/08/2021 15:37:03    2369886

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Replying To captainshamrock:  "Ok, if Tyrone can't field a team, what happens then? A bye for Kerry.... that would mean a possible break of 6 weeks without a competitive game for Kerry and it would be a huge advantage for Dublin or Mayo.

If they postpone for another couple of weeks and give Tyrone 2-3 weeks and then play Kerry, that would force Dublin or Mayo in a long period where they will not have a proper game and that is obviously an advantage to Tyrone or Kerry.

You really are caught between a rock and a hard place. Yikes!"
That was why I suggested earlier that there should be an alternative ulster team asked to play a semi final if Tyrone do decide to pull out and the GAA dig in there heels which they have a habit of doing. Let the next best team in the province have a cut at Kerry.

boomerang (Mayo) - Posts: 51 - 11/08/2021 15:45:30    2369890

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So Covid is a class issue now :-)

No wonder the country's jiggered......"
It is a health issue and poorer people the world over are generally less healthy and have been over history.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16828 - 11/08/2021 15:57:02    2369896

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Replying To boomerang:  "That was why I suggested earlier that there should be an alternative ulster team asked to play a semi final if Tyrone do decide to pull out and the GAA dig in there heels which they have a habit of doing. Let the next best team in the province have a cut at Kerry."
Monaghan would be in worse position that tyrone. Not having played together since the ulster defeat and expected to get upto speed in a week to play against kerry. Would be surprised if any team accepted that challenge

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 11/08/2021 17:37:21    2369916

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Tyrone need to put the health and safety of their players above all else in my opinion. If they can field a side, great, but it's not the most important consideration.

The GAA should also give them the extra week that they need, even if it means moving the game somewhere else. We'll be long enough without top level GAA this winter, one extra week won't make a huge amount of difference."
Totally agree - what would happen if Tyrone are forced to fulfil the fixture with half a team and Kerry win and then Kerry end up with an outbreak in their panel - there are no winners here!!!

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 11/08/2021 17:55:56    2369921

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Am I right in saying that all of the main Tyrone players would be done with isolation by the 21st?

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1240 - 11/08/2021 18:13:52    2369927

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I would love to know what medical team in the CCC decided that 6 days is adequate time to be back fully fit after covid. I don't care which of the 4 teams it is I think it's unbelievable that the GAA think they are above the rulings and guidelines of the medical advisors of this country. Tyrone could have stayed quiet if the lads had no symptoms and let them play in the Ulster final an spread the virus but they owed up and stuck by the guidelines.
Anyone that tested positive for covid last Sunday should not be coming out of quarantine for 14 days.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 11/08/2021 18:36:10    2369932

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Replying To border Gael:  "I would love to know what medical team in the CCC decided that 6 days is adequate time to be back fully fit after covid. I don't care which of the 4 teams it is I think it's unbelievable that the GAA think they are above the rulings and guidelines of the medical advisors of this country. Tyrone could have stayed quiet if the lads had no symptoms and let them play in the Ulster final an spread the virus but they owed up and stuck by the guidelines.
Anyone that tested positive for covid last Sunday should not be coming out of quarantine for 14 days."
What is the scenario if a Kerry player comes down now with or was in close contact with someone with the virus?
What is it if one of the players on the Mayo or Dublin, or Kerry or Tyrone team tests positive a week before the All-Ireland final?
Can the Association continue to postpone games indefinitely?
Perhaps the Kerry v Tyrone game should be postponed until September 5 and the final be re-scheduled for the September 19.
The finalists be advised that there will no postponement, play with whatever players are available.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 764 - 11/08/2021 18:53:26    2369936

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "What is the scenario if a Kerry player comes down now with or was in close contact with someone with the virus?
What is it if one of the players on the Mayo or Dublin, or Kerry or Tyrone team tests positive a week before the All-Ireland final?
Can the Association continue to postpone games indefinitely?
Perhaps the Kerry v Tyrone game should be postponed until September 5 and the final be re-scheduled for the September 19.
The finalists be advised that there will no postponement, play with whatever players are available."
Tyrone already did that for the Ulster Final. Going forward covid isnt going away and next year teams will probably have to play with their best available 15.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16828 - 11/08/2021 19:01:50    2369940

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GPA involved now on Tyrone players behalf. They are the real power in the GAA nowadays. I expect they'll be given the 2 weeks postponement now.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2066 - 11/08/2021 19:18:04    2369950

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So Covid is a class issue now :-)

No wonder the country's jiggered......"
Saying it's "a class issue" is putting it very simplistically.But, far be it for me to deny you the opportunity of making a glib remark like that. But if you don't mind, I'll stick with what the scientists are saying. Check out the Lancet when you've finished listening to Gemma :-D.
TB was rife in working class Dublin as you probably know. Did that make it " a class issue"?

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2025 - 11/08/2021 20:13:32    2369958

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Replying To avonali:  "Saying it's "a class issue" is putting it very simplistically.But, far be it for me to deny you the opportunity of making a glib remark like that. But if you don't mind, I'll stick with what the scientists are saying. Check out the Lancet when you've finished listening to Gemma :-D.
TB was rife in working class Dublin as you probably know. Did that make it " a class issue"?"
Don't most social issues and health problems become more pronounced the lower down the socio economic food chain you go? Covid is no different.
Seems like you're trying to attach an unfortunate, yet perfectly normal and common, side effect to the situation and act as if its exclusive to it, which is quite typical of the covid hypers.
Don't know why I'm pointing this out to you though,, im sure whatever scientist you got your information from made that clear anyways,,

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 11/08/2021 20:21:09    2369961

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Am I right in saying that all of the main Tyrone players would be done with isolation by the 21st?"
Yeah think the team will only be able to train together since the Monaghan came on the Thursday before the semi final. Its unreal.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 11/08/2021 20:21:30    2369962

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "What is the scenario if a Kerry player comes down now with or was in close contact with someone with the virus?
What is it if one of the players on the Mayo or Dublin, or Kerry or Tyrone team tests positive a week before the All-Ireland final?
Can the Association continue to postpone games indefinitely?
Perhaps the Kerry v Tyrone game should be postponed until September 5 and the final be re-scheduled for the September 19.
The finalists be advised that there will no postponement, play with whatever players are available."
Which is a fair idea but what if Kerry,Mayo or Dublin then have an outbreak after their semi finals ?
They would be entitled to the same postponement as Tyrone.
It's a difficult one as everyone wants to see Tyrone and Kerry have a good match but I think Covid is having an unfortunate effect on the competition.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1541 - 11/08/2021 20:27:30    2369964

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Don't most social issues and health problems become more pronounced the lower down the socio economic food chain you go? Covid is no different.
Seems like you're trying to attach an unfortunate, yet perfectly normal and common, side effect to the situation and act as if its exclusive to it, which is quite typical of the covid hypers.
Don't know why I'm pointing this out to you though,, im sure whatever scientist you got your information from made that clear anyways,,"
Co-morbidity, which is related to class, is the central issue. This is a particularly opportunistic virus.My point is that the way people are peddlling figures in here misses part of the issue. If you want to tackle this virus you cannot depend on vaccines and protocols exclusively. It's not just about severing the chains of transmission.
If I'm not making myself clear read one of the the scientists yourself.
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avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2025 - 11/08/2021 20:40:23    2369966

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "What is the scenario if a Kerry player comes down now with or was in close contact with someone with the virus?
What is it if one of the players on the Mayo or Dublin, or Kerry or Tyrone team tests positive a week before the All-Ireland final?
Can the Association continue to postpone games indefinitely?
Perhaps the Kerry v Tyrone game should be postponed until September 5 and the final be re-scheduled for the September 19.
The finalists be advised that there will no postponement, play with whatever players are available."
1 player is a lot less than 20. Tyrone had one of their managers and 4 players out for their game with us. ( Monaghan). They did not seek a postponement and because of the precautions they took they did not pass the virus onto the Monaghan panel. Their players travelled separately in cars to the Ulster final in croke Park.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 11/08/2021 21:22:35    2369974

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Replying To avonali:  "Co-morbidity, which is related to class, is the central issue. This is a particularly opportunistic virus.My point is that the way people are peddlling figures in here misses part of the issue. If you want to tackle this virus you cannot depend on vaccines and protocols exclusively. It's not just about severing the chains of transmission.
If I'm not making myself clear read one of the the scientists yourself.
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I would have thought that Co morbidity is to do with age far above and beyond anything else.

I must stress that of all the people I know who had covid none of them, regardless of where they lived, had any trouble dealing with it, (a favourable if slightly embarrassing outcome for one lad who, after listening to the doctors and scientists, thought he was going to die), but I do however accept your point that covid, like pretty much everything else, hits the poorest and most marginalised of society the hardest.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 11/08/2021 21:35:12    2369978

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If anybody had told you 3 yrs ago there'd be All ireland semi final threads on here full of stuff about a deadly virus, death rates, vaccines etc you'd think they were mad.
Hope by this time next year we are back to some kind of normal again and they have restructured the Championship too.
I think this game should be pushed into Sept now to give Tyrone a chance to get ready. at least we have the other semi to enjoy this Sat.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3408 - 11/08/2021 22:18:05    2369984

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Disappointing hoganstand is allowing posters says covid isnt real. The virus is very real and misinformation on a gaa thread is wrong after loads in the Gaa communities lost loved ones to covid

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 11/08/2021 23:13:43    2369993

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Replying To Greengrass:  "
Replying To avonali:  "[quote=BarneyGrant:  "African Gael, you went to a lot of trouble pulling that 5,000 figure out of an irrelevant comparison to now claim that it means nothing. Which it doesn't because it is not a valid comparison as you now admit.

The numbers of people dying in 2019 and 2020 prove that thousands more people did not die as a consequence of Covid year on year, Which is what others here - who think their sister or their brother-in-law or cat is a scientific example - were claiming.

If you accept that older people are just dying from another factor added on to all the others which have mysteriously disappeared from the mortality statistics, then you have to accept that the "pandemic" is not as it is claimed to be,

Yes, it is another virus that joins many others, and it will be become endemic with more than likely the same small enough (as compared to cancer, COPD, heart disease etc) factor in the same mortality demographics there have been for generations.

If that is the case, then society cannot be shut down indefinitely. Which is kind of where this discussion began!"
The term "pandemic" is being bandied about like snuff at a wedding. The latest medical research suggests that if we simply regard this as a pandemic and that a vaccination programme and specific protocols alone will suppress it we are destined to fail. This approach is too narrow.
World wide research shows that the virus is prevalent in environments where there are disadvantages in education, employment, housing, food, and environment. Non communicable diseases such as cancer, obesity, diabetes etc. and respiratory diseases are more prevalent in these disadvantaged groups and this is also where Covid is most deadly. So in order to combat this new threat, researchers reckon a more integrated approach that involves addressing poverty, unemployment, overcrowding , poor education etc will be necessary. Addressing socio-economic inequality is a necessary part of any attempt to tackle this virus. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that, for example, Dublin's inner city was very badly affected by the virus as were direct provision centres. I'm sure other disadvantaged groups in the country experienced very high rates of infection.
Co-morbidity is a part of the larger context. So really the figures you are citing are not really going ton prove anything. It would be interesting to a see a study based on rates of transmission within different socio-economic goups."
Excellent post avonali."]Ta Greengrass.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 2025 - 12/08/2021 02:02:17    2370007

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