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Replying To gahfan:  "Surprising that he got off. I'm not sure it was a wise move by Limerick. These things generally comes bsck to bite.
They are certainty losing the PR gane given gillane, hegarty and now this."
It was the Appeals body that reinstated him and not the Limerick County Board. The body concerned having duly considered the matter, must have had reasons for coming to the conclusion that they did. I have watched Peter Casey playing for years and I never saw him get as much as a warning. Maybe that had a part to play in their decision. As regards PR what does that matter. I am sure winning teams never worry about it.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 10:12:24    2370371

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Replying To gahfan:  "Surprising that he got off. I'm not sure it was a wise move by Limerick. These things generally comes bsck to bite.
They are certainty losing the PR gane given gillane, hegarty and now this."
If we lose the PR battle and win the all Ireland I don't think anyone in Limerick would be too bothered.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1111 - 13/08/2021 10:18:57    2370372

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I didn't see the incident, I'm assuming that seeing as how you're declaring it a victory for fair play that he was wrongly sent off yeah?"
Well that the Appeals Body did not clear him without good reason. I will say that of possibly every Limerick player Peter Casey has the best disciplinary record. Maybe that also stood to him.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 11:00:23    2370388

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The only reason he got off was because he deserved to get off, would be my read of it. There was no footage that showed him making contact on the Waterford player with his head. That's why he got off, I'd guess. He 'got off', because he didn't actually do anything to merit a red card, on the evidence of all available footage. Doing & seeming to do, are distinctly different actions.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4222 - 13/08/2021 12:28:47    2370421

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I think limerick will win the all Ireland with our without casey however that is a shocking decision to overturn that red card,it was a blatant red all day long.Carry on butting SHOCKING

BigFred (Cork) - Posts: 4 - 13/08/2021 13:44:12    2370436

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Replying To gahfan:  "Surprising that he got off. I'm not sure it was a wise move by Limerick. These things generally comes bsck to bite.
They are certainty losing the PR gane given gillane, hegarty and now this."
But winning the matches which is nice!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 13/08/2021 13:51:50    2370439

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I didn't see the incident, I'm assuming that seeing as how you're declaring it a victory for fair play that he was wrongly sent off yeah?"
You are correct in your assumption.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 13/08/2021 13:53:06    2370440

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The only reason he got off was because he deserved to get off, would be my read of it. There was no footage that showed him making contact on the Waterford player with his head. That's why he got off, I'd guess. He 'got off', because he didn't actually do anything to merit a red card, on the evidence of all available footage. Doing & seeming to do, are distinctly different actions."
Thanks Benedict. 'What oft was said, but ne'er so well expressed'.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 14:03:55    2370441

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Replying To BigFred:  "I think limerick will win the all Ireland with our without casey however that is a shocking decision to overturn that red card,it was a blatant red all day long.Carry on butting SHOCKING"
Well obviously it was not, when properly scrutinised, it was deemed not to merit a red card. The Appeals Body obviously had access to other footage. Pat Horgan and Henry Sheeflin have had bad looking incidents rescinded in the past also. By contrast, Sean Foley's suspension in '81 was upheld, when many people felt it was an attempted block down that went wrong. My point is there had to have been strong evidence in support of Peter Casey's case. Anyway, I feel this game could go down to the wire and it would not surprise me if Cork won, although I feel Limerick will just about pull through. Anyway Cork are back and If Galway, in the longer term or Limerick over the next few years, cannot contain them then they could dominate this decade. Kilkenny and Tipp seems to be team building and other teams will simply not have the numbers of quality players to compete with Corks huge levels of talent, vast support and massive pick. May the best team win.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 15:29:51    2370466

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well obviously it was not, when properly scrutinised, it was deemed not to merit a red card. The Appeals Body obviously had access to other footage. Pat Horgan and Henry Sheeflin have had bad looking incidents rescinded in the past also. By contrast, Sean Foley's suspension in '81 was upheld, when many people felt it was an attempted block down that went wrong. My point is there had to have been strong evidence in support of Peter Casey's case. Anyway, I feel this game could go down to the wire and it would not surprise me if Cork won, although I feel Limerick will just about pull through. Anyway Cork are back and If Galway, in the longer term or Limerick over the next few years, cannot contain them then they could dominate this decade. Kilkenny and Tipp seems to be team building and other teams will simply not have the numbers of quality players to compete with Corks huge levels of talent, vast support and massive pick. May the best team win."
Oldtourman you are right there have been other instances in the past where the decision has been overturned I don't dispute that. I hope I'm wrong I hope cork win and again I honestly don't think casey will be the difference I just think limerick are better but may the best team win. I honestly believe if it was a semi final limerick would not have even bothered to appealed and I honestly think because it's a final this is why the decision was overturned (the sympothy vote) he butted him it may not have been the hardest hit in the world I accept that but he definitely butted him imo

BigFred (Cork) - Posts: 4 - 13/08/2021 15:55:31    2370469

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "It was the Appeals body that reinstated him and not the Limerick County Board. The body concerned having duly considered the matter, must have had reasons for coming to the conclusion that they did. I have watched Peter Casey playing for years and I never saw him get as much as a warning. Maybe that had a part to play in their decision. As regards PR what does that matter. I am sure winning teams never worry about it."
All these lads who get sent off are always never the type who get sent off which seems peculiar.

I got sent off once and let down my team. People get sent off nowadays and are victims of some kind of injustice.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 13/08/2021 15:58:26    2370471

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Personally I'd rather both teams have ALL their players. I didn't see the incident so I won't comment on the right or the wrong of it. I'm hoping for an awesome match.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2550 - 13/08/2021 16:00:53    2370472

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Is this really a new thing? I've been around a few years now at this stage and I can say it's always been in the game.
What I don't get is why the lad who gets the belt of a hurl or fist is getting slated. I've played in the backs all my life and I'd be lying if i said I didn't try to provoke a lad here and there by nudging a hurl into his back for example. Does that give the man the right to turn around and flake me with a full strike of the hurl? Some will say it does but regardless of that - which is a red card offence? What I did or what he did? People on here need to wake up. There's dark arts in hurling forever and if a hot head can't handle that in a proper way without doing something stupid then he deserves go off. There are ways to seek retribution and anyone that has played that game know what they are!"
But times are changing tiobraid. There are cameras all over the place now and if a player is at really under hand stuff he will be caught. I do not think they will clamp on hand bagging but for some of the more atrocious stuff culprits will be identified and made face the music. Did you notice the Waterford CB was yellow carded for persistent fouling and Sean O'Donoghue was yellow carded, although he was struck by Gullane below in Cork in '18. There is also no doubt there is culture of lads throwing themselves down, to get players yellow carded or put off, creeping into the game. The dark arts thing has come under scrutiny and probably not just where the Limerick team is concerned. I noticed in the KK/WX a few players got yellow cards and the commentators kept saying-so and 'needs to be careful'. If the ref looks back at a game like that and sees this a kind constant input highlighting certain players, I think he may well come down heavier on them when he next a refs a game they are on. As I say it is a different world now.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 16:14:20    2370477

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So its a victory for fair play if inconclusive video evidence overrules an official who told the referee what he saw?
To me, that is not a victory for fair play.
If there had been clear cut video evidence here, then of course it should be used. It should have been "beyond reasonable doubt" that nothing happened.
But GAA authorities never back the men in black, do they, and who knows what has gone on behind the scenes........

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1862 - 13/08/2021 16:34:56    2370485

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "So its a victory for fair play if inconclusive video evidence overrules an official who told the referee what he saw?
To me, that is not a victory for fair play.
If there had been clear cut video evidence here, then of course it should be used. It should have been "beyond reasonable doubt" that nothing happened.
But GAA authorities never back the men in black, do they, and who knows what has gone on behind the scenes........"
Well said

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 201 - 13/08/2021 16:49:14    2370492

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Replying To gahfan:  "All these lads who get sent off are always never the type who get sent off which seems peculiar.

I got sent off once and let down my team. People get sent off nowadays and are victims of some kind of injustice."
Well as has often proven that can be the case. If you had been sent off on the wrong you could have made a case to be reinstated. But obviously you knew the ref was right, in your case. Do not worry there had to be clear evidence available that the offence did not merit a red card, otherwise it would not have been rescinded.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 13/08/2021 17:09:37    2370496

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But times are changing tiobraid. There are cameras all over the place now and if a player is at really under hand stuff he will be caught. I do not think they will clamp on hand bagging but for some of the more atrocious stuff culprits will be identified and made face the music. Did you notice the Waterford CB was yellow carded for persistent fouling and Sean O'Donoghue was yellow carded, although he was struck by Gullane below in Cork in '18. There is also no doubt there is culture of lads throwing themselves down, to get players yellow carded or put off, creeping into the game. The dark arts thing has come under scrutiny and probably not just where the Limerick team is concerned. I noticed in the KK/WX a few players got yellow cards and the commentators kept saying-so and 'needs to be careful'. If the ref looks back at a game like that and sees this a kind constant input highlighting certain players, I think he may well come down heavier on them when he next a refs a game they are on. As I say it is a different world now."
Gillane struck O Donoghue blatantly with the hurley that day same as he did Barrett…..wise up and stop condoning foul play as that is all you are doing….be under no illusion young lads will watch incidents like that and think that slapping back is acceptable as they saw it on TV go unpunished when along with the block on the hands it is the most cowardly stroke in hurling

Limerick rightly favourites on Sunday week and Casey now gets his chance ……I doubt Cork were giving it a 2nd thought so realistically makes little difference to the game but the disciplinary process in the GAA is now a total mess (albeit Limerick aren't the only ones to contribute to that) …..

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 13/08/2021 17:17:47    2370498

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well as has often proven that can be the case. If you had been sent off on the wrong you could have made a case to be reinstated. But obviously you knew the ref was right, in your case. Do not worry there had to be clear evidence available that the offence did not merit a red card, otherwise it would not have been rescinded."
Or a legal argument which has been the case in a number of the Dublin cards that were rescinded

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 13/08/2021 17:18:55    2370499

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Gillane struck O Donoghue blatantly with the hurley that day same as he did Barrett…..wise up and stop condoning foul play as that is all you are doing….be under no illusion young lads will watch incidents like that and think that slapping back is acceptable as they saw it on TV go unpunished when along with the block on the hands it is the most cowardly stroke in hurling

Limerick rightly favourites on Sunday week and Casey now gets his chance ……I doubt Cork were giving it a 2nd thought so realistically makes little difference to the game but the disciplinary process in the GAA is now a total mess (albeit Limerick aren't the only ones to contribute to that) ….."
Do you have a link to video of where it clearly shows Casey butting Gleeson or is it just you seeing what you wanted to see.
As for the umpires seeing the incident 50 yards away from themselves they couldn't spot Gillane and Flanagan getting 'worked over' for the first 20 mins and that was only 10 yards in front of them.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 13/08/2021 17:39:20    2370509

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Or a legal argument which has been the case in a number of the Dublin cards that were rescinded"
You come across more and more like a man who always takes the position that "my mind is already made up, so don't bother confuse me with facts." , and you are fully entitled to that opinion. Enjoy the game if you watch it.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 13/08/2021 18:14:35    2370517

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