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Replying To football first: "So do you also split Dublin hurling and camogie into 4 too?? Neither have much hope of winning McCarthy or O'Duffy cups as things stand - so their prospects are unlikely to improve if split into four!!" This proposal addresses the competitive deficit in gaelic football only.Feel free to do your own thread on hurling,camogie etc.White elephants solve nothing!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 12:00:55
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Well you're quoting another poster there from the kerry page, you know you really should stop stalking us if you don't like what you're reading over there." Stalking ?Ah No , sure its not a private page and i dont know what gave you that idea ?
I Love what im reading over there :-)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2850 - 11/12/2020 12:04:07
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I wouldn't think you have a monopoly on wisdom, let's hear your considered proposals for the good of a competitive gaelic football structure address development in all counties and having meaningful competition between counties.Wrecking balls do not construct!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 12:05:13
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "This proposal addresses the competitive deficit in gaelic football only.Feel free to do your own thread on hurling,camogie etc.White elephants solve nothing!" Where's the white elephant? Realistically, it's not feasible to have a system with 4 Dublin football teams in the championship (essentially needing 4 new county boards) and just one in the other codes.
football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 11/12/2020 12:12:53
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Ah now nobody is going to dictate to you what team to follow,you might at times be able to support all four teams, sure you would be spoiled for choice.I don't see it as a major stumbling block to having competetive parity as against serious competitive advantage.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 12:16:16
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "I wouldn't think you have a monopoly on wisdom, let's hear your considered proposals for the good of a competitive gaelic football structure address development in all counties and having meaningful competition between counties.Wrecking balls do not construct!" This message is for daytona11 (Kildare)
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 12:18:47
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Dublin city.....population 554k, Co Town Dublin
Dun Laoghaire- Rathdown...pop. 218k Co Town Dun Laoghaire
Fingal......population...….. 296k Co Town Swords
South Dublin...…...population...278k Co Town Tallaght
The above is the official designation given to the four administrative regions in Dublin together with their Co Towns,each has their own coat of arms also.
Is it too much to ask that each of the four field a team to compete against counties of similar and indeed much less populations?
For those that know can you say what and how many GAA Clubs are in each region?" I would suggest if you can't be bothered to find out the amount of clubs in each area then your proposal is just a lazy effort. If an equitable population is a defining issue, Galway shouldn't be let play Leitrim, Antrim shouldn't be let play Fermanagh and so on.
Apart from the above, none of this will solve the 'problem' you are trying to solve. Approx 12 of the regular Dublin starters come from an area of North Dublin that would have a radius of about 10KM.
If as much effort was put in by every county to improve their levels, rather then bringing Dublin down, the GAA would be better served.
dougal123 (Louth) - Posts: 11 - 11/12/2020 12:20:24
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Ah now nobody is going to dictate to you what team to follow,you might at times be able to support all four teams, sure you would be spoiled for choice.I don't see it as a major stumbling block to having competetive parity as against serious competitive advantage." I assume this was in response to my post?
Of course nobody's going to dictate to me who I support. However, I would have 3 viable options, all of which I would have an affinity for. In the current circumstances, peoples' choice of team to follow is dictated by county borders by this would not apply if Dublin was split. To suggest following all 4 teams is just nonsense - nobody supports 4 different teams, irrespective of circumstance. Also, to say you don't see this as a major stumbling block is myopic in the extreme - the whole point of the discussion is to consider splitting Dublin to level the playing field or supporters will stop following their teams. Your proposal is to the detriment of a portion of these very same supporters.
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 11/12/2020 12:38:27
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Replying To dougal123: "I would suggest if you can't be bothered to find out the amount of clubs in each area then your proposal is just a lazy effort. If an equitable population is a defining issue, Galway shouldn't be let play Leitrim, Antrim shouldn't be let play Fermanagh and so on.
Apart from the above, none of this will solve the 'problem' you are trying to solve. Approx 12 of the regular Dublin starters come from an area of North Dublin that would have a radius of about 10KM.
If as much effort was put in by every county to improve their levels, rather then bringing Dublin down, the GAA would be better served." But would the supporters be better served,a competitive AI championship is what's required.The Co team project was flawed from the start,was probably a bit fairer and more even when the Co champions represented the county.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 17:06:46
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Replying To Kurt_Angle: "I assume this was in response to my post?
Of course nobody's going to dictate to me who I support. However, I would have 3 viable options, all of which I would have an affinity for. In the current circumstances, peoples' choice of team to follow is dictated by county borders by this would not apply if Dublin was split. To suggest following all 4 teams is just nonsense - nobody supports 4 different teams, irrespective of circumstance. Also, to say you don't see this as a major stumbling block is myopic in the extreme - the whole point of the discussion is to consider splitting Dublin to level the playing field or supporters will stop following their teams. Your proposal is to the detriment of a portion of these very same supporters." Its definitely myopic to continue as we are and hope it will right itself.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 17:13:15
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Amalgamated and stand alone teams to take part in AI football championship.
Two Amalgamated teams representing Dublin geographical area.I have not included London and New York for logistical reasons.
Separately there would be tiered competitions among the counties as they exist presently with the exception of Dublin where there would be four teams.This way supporters can still show their allegiance to their clubs and county teams.
With the 16 competitive teams the AI championship could be played through open draw and straight knockout or divided into groups.I favour groups of four and each team play each other on a home and away basis.This would help to engender the team ethic particularly among the amalgamated teams and give supporters an opportunity to see and support their teams.
In tandem with these changes Croke Park to financially and actively support the setting up of development academys in each county including the four Dublin counties and also have an oversight body to promote the game in areas where it hasn't been that successful.
1 Fingal/Dublin City
2 Dublin South/DLRD
3 Kerry
4 Cork
5 Clare/Limerick/Tipperary
6 Waterford/Kilkenny/Wexford/Carlow/Wicklow
7 Laois/Offaly/Kildare
8 Meath/Westmeath/Longford
9 Galway
10 Mayo
11 Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim
12 Cavan/Fermanagh/Armagh
13 Donegal
14 Tyrone
15 Down/Louth
16 Antrim/Derry/Monaghan
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 19:31:55
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Replying To dougal123: "I would suggest if you can't be bothered to find out the amount of clubs in each area then your proposal is just a lazy effort. If an equitable population is a defining issue, Galway shouldn't be let play Leitrim, Antrim shouldn't be let play Fermanagh and so on.
Apart from the above, none of this will solve the 'problem' you are trying to solve. Approx 12 of the regular Dublin starters come from an area of North Dublin that would have a radius of about 10KM.
If as much effort was put in by every county to improve their levels, rather then bringing Dublin down, the GAA would be better served." I can't wait to see your proposal on the issue of a competitive AI football champiohip,could I be left waiting while you continue to swing that wrecking ball...go on then prove me wrong!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 19:36:03
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Replying To football first: "Where's the white elephant? Realistically, it's not feasible to have a system with 4 Dublin football teams in the championship (essentially needing 4 new county boards) and just one in the other codes." Why is not feasibly...sure its not splitting the atom!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 19:38:55
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Replying To superbluedub: "Stalking ?Ah No , sure its not a private page and i dont know what gave you that idea ?
I Love what im reading over there :-)" I agree with you Superbluedub, its good to know what's going on in some of the weaker counties!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 11/12/2020 19:44:34
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Colm ORourke was indeed the first to mention splitting Dublin,now its time to have a deeper look at that and contemplate diluting Dublin somewhat by having four teams and having amalgamated teams playing for the AI championship ONLY,Dublin would likely supply two amalgamated teams.It would have positives for Dublin players in that more of them get an opportunity and would be exposed to playing at county level.
The most positive thing about it is that we would have a much more competitive AI football championship and players from the so called lesser counties would play on an amalgamated team and perhaps win an AI medal,now wouldn't that be fantastic!" If counties were willing to amalgamate yes it would be great for the counties with little or no chance of winning and its worth exploring the suggestion.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4024 - 11/12/2020 20:59:43
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Anything to be said for trying out a split Dublin in leinster,, with the proviso that the teams re unite back to a unified Dublin for the all Ireland series?
The Leinsters kind of a write off at the moment so why not try it out there?
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 11/12/2020 21:31:29
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It is well worth having a look at and sounding out all interested parties and in particular players who might indeed aspire to mixing with the top players on the field of play and matching themselves against them.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 11/12/2020 21:53:07
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Amalgamated and stand alone teams to take part in AI football championship.
Two Amalgamated teams representing Dublin geographical area.I have not included London and New York for logistical reasons.
Separately there would be tiered competitions among the counties as they exist presently with the exception of Dublin where there would be four teams.This way supporters can still show their allegiance to their clubs and county teams.
With the 16 competitive teams the AI championship could be played through open draw and straight knockout or divided into groups.I favour groups of four and each team play each other on a home and away basis.This would help to engender the team ethic particularly among the amalgamated teams and give supporters an opportunity to see and support their teams.
In tandem with these changes Croke Park to financially and actively support the setting up of development academys in each county including the four Dublin counties and also have an oversight body to promote the game in areas where it hasn't been that successful.
1 Fingal/Dublin City
2 Dublin South/DLRD
3 Kerry
4 Cork
5 Clare/Limerick/Tipperary
6 Waterford/Kilkenny/Wexford/Carlow/Wicklow
7 Laois/Offaly/Kildare
8 Meath/Westmeath/Longford
9 Galway
10 Mayo
11 Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim
12 Cavan/Fermanagh/Armagh
13 Donegal
14 Tyrone
15 Down/Louth
16 Antrim/Derry/Monaghan" Who would Linerick join up with in the hurling?
What you have suggested is rubbish.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/12/2020 22:01:00
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Replying To daytona11: "Who would Linerick join up with in the hurling?
What you have suggested is rubbish." Let's hear your proposals
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 12/12/2020 15:10:45
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Amalgamated and stand alone teams to take part in AI football championship.
Two Amalgamated teams representing Dublin geographical area.I have not included London and New York for logistical reasons.
Separately there would be tiered competitions among the counties as they exist presently with the exception of Dublin where there would be four teams.This way supporters can still show their allegiance to their clubs and county teams.
With the 16 competitive teams the AI championship could be played through open draw and straight knockout or divided into groups.I favour groups of four and each team play each other on a home and away basis.This would help to engender the team ethic particularly among the amalgamated teams and give supporters an opportunity to see and support their teams.
In tandem with these changes Croke Park to financially and actively support the setting up of development academys in each county including the four Dublin counties and also have an oversight body to promote the game in areas where it hasn't been that successful.
1 Fingal/Dublin City
2 Dublin South/DLRD
3 Kerry
4 Cork
5 Clare/Limerick/Tipperary
6 Waterford/Kilkenny/Wexford/Carlow/Wicklow
7 Laois/Offaly/Kildare
8 Meath/Westmeath/Longford
9 Galway
10 Mayo
11 Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim
12 Cavan/Fermanagh/Armagh
13 Donegal
14 Tyrone
15 Down/Louth
16 Antrim/Derry/Monaghan" This is a horrendous proposal that goes against so much of what makes the GAA the monstrous great beast that it is.
It sounds like its just to stop Dublin. Dublin not to be a full county as it is ever again is a joke and should never be accepted by anyone who appreciates what the GAA is all about.
Your regional teams, number 6 most of all have no regional identity. It doesnt help football in most of these areas.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3789 - 12/12/2020 15:27:36
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