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The issue is that we don't have a competitive senior football competition.We have choices...leave it well alone and hope it will rectify itself or do something about it and in the process with amalgamated teams give every county an opportunity to dine at the top table.
We can still continue the present county set up with a tiered competiton/s as in hurling.
Its just the AI will have a diluted Dublin with maybe two teams (four teams in the tiered competitions) and perhaps Kerry and Mayo stand alone teams with a number of amalgamated teams to make a very competitive AI competition representing every county.
The gaa hierarchy need to be proactive in promoting the game where its not strong and also in supporting development squads/academys in every county.
This not an instantaneous solution,it will take time and application and huge imput from all interested parties.
Any or all constructive remedies should be aired.....point scoring and shooting the messenger should be shelved and energy applied to constructive and alternative solutions.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/12/2020 18:06:51
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Replying To republicofcloone: "Rte pundits are either ill informed or they are told not to rock the boat with regards to Dublin. They have to sell a product that is getting increasingly mouldy and should be thrown out.
But people have copped on and I bet there is panic behind the scenes in gaa and rte. Rte have huge money pumped into the coverage. If people switch off they lose that money. That's why they are already hyping a final most sensible and rational people know Dublin will win by at least ten." Did they not spend the entire time after the Dublin v Cavan game talking about this and barely mentioned the game at all?
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 09/12/2020 18:34:13
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Replying To Kurt_Angle: "Did they not spend the entire time after the Dublin v Cavan game talking about this and barely mentioned the game at all?" I suppose they were trying to set the final up as a rich v the rest etc. They have to try and drum up some interest outside of Mayo and Dublin for what is essentially a foregone conclusion. And they know it.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/12/2020 20:04:47
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Replying To tonguey: "You comparing Dublin and leitrim?? When you land back on earth maybe post again." I am indeed.
This is literally the whole point of these endless threads. Comparing Dublin to the rest, Leitrim are part of the rest, the poster I was replying to is from Leitrim.
They are the two opposite sides of the population/resources imbalance.
Dublin and Leitrim currently play in the same Championship and have for over a 100 years now at this stage in case you hadn't noticed.
I'm sorry if this is all too complicated for you.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 09/12/2020 20:16:35
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How about putting weights on the Dublin players, like the handicapping system in horse racing!
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 09/12/2020 20:31:19
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I see Celtic are going for 10 in a row in Scotland, most of the European soccer leagues are dominated by a few big clubs, I don't see anyone talking about breaking these clubs up into 2 or 4.
I think I'd rather try and beat the Dubs as they are, I think if you divide Dublin where do you stop? making smaller weaker counties join together?
The club scene is great, junior intermediate and senior, our junior clubs would hope to progress to intermediate but they know themselves they will never beat the top senior clubs here, nobody is calling for clubs to be broken up or adjusted so we have the answer already in the GAA, just look to our club game, simple.
Distribute the funding better, make the game better by getting rid of/amending the black card and the mark. maybe even look at having 2 refs on the field and better comms to clean up the off the ball stuff.
I think breaking up Dublin would be a disaster.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3356 - 09/12/2020 22:04:38
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I see Celtic are going for 10 in a row in Scotland, most of the European soccer leagues are dominated by a few big clubs, I don't see anyone talking about breaking these clubs up into 2 or 4.
I think I'd rather try and beat the Dubs as they are, I think if you divide Dublin where do you stop? making smaller weaker counties join together?
The club scene is great, junior intermediate and senior, our junior clubs would hope to progress to intermediate but they know themselves they will never beat the top senior clubs here, nobody is calling for clubs to be broken up or adjusted so we have the answer already in the GAA, just look to our club game, simple.
Distribute the funding better, make the game better by getting rid of/amending the black card and the mark. maybe even look at having 2 refs on the field and better comms to clean up the off the ball stuff.
I think breaking up Dublin would be a disaster." In what way would diluting Dublin and having amalgamated teams that would offer a competitive AI be a disaster?
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/12/2020 22:15:08
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Replying To MesAmis: "Ballymun Kickham - City
Bank of Ireland -?
Beann Éadair - Fingal
Cabinteely - DLRD
Castleknock - Fingal
Civil Service Football - City
Clanna Gael Fontenoy - City
Clann Mhuire - Fingal
Clontarf - City
Commercials - South Dublin
Craobh Chiaráin - City
Croí Ró Naofa - South Dublin
Crumlin - City
Cuala - City
Erin Go Bragh - Fingal
Erins Isle - City
Faughs - South Dublin
Fingallians - Fingal
Fingal Ravens - Fingal
Garristown - Fingal
Geraldines P. Mórán - DLRD
Good Counsel - City
Innisfails - Fingal or City not sure
Kevin's - City
Kilmacud Crokes - DLRD
Liffey Gaels - City
Lucan Sarsfields - South Dublin
Man-Ó-War - Fingal
Na Dubh Ghall - Fingal
Na Fianna - City
Na Gaeil Óga CLG - South Dublin
Naomh Barróg - City
Naomh Fionnbarra - City
Naomh Mearnóg - Fingal
Naomh Olaf - DLRD
O'Dwyer - Fingal
O'Toole - City
Parnells - City
Portobello - City
Raheny - City
Ranelagh Gaels - City
Realt Dearg - South Dublin
Robert Emmets - City
Rosmini Gaels - City
Round Towers Clondalkin - South Dublin
Round Towers Lusk - Fingal
Scoil Uí Chonaill - City
Setanta - City
Shankill - DLRD
Skerries Harps - Fingal
St. Annes - South Dublin
Starlight - Fingal
Stars of Erin - DLRD
St. Brendans - City
St. Brigids - Fingal
St. Colmcille - Fingal
St. Finians Newcastle - South Dublin
St. Finians Swords - Fingal
St. James Gaels - City
St. Joseph's O'Connell Boys - City
St. Judes - South Dublin
St. Kevins Killians - South Dublin
St. Margarets - Fingal
St. Marks - South Dublin
St. Marys - South Dublin
St. Maurs - Fingal
St. Monicas - City
St. Oliver Plunketts Eoghan Ruadh - City
St. Patricks Donabate - Fingal
St. Patricks Palmerstown - South Dublin
St. Peregrines - Fingal
St. Sylvesters - Fingal
St. Vincents - City
Templeogue Synge Street - South Dublin/City
Thomas Davis - South Dublin
Trinity Gaels - City
Tyrellstown - Fingal
Wanderers -?
Westmanstown Gaels - Fingal
Whitehall Colmcille - City
Wild Geese - Fingal
Best I can do. Some might be wrong, off the top of my head stuff. Some clubs' grounds might be in one but most players come from another area etc." Cuala would hardly be city, I thought they were from Dalkey, could nearly move them to Wicklow!!!!! No No No don't send lads after me.
I think a more interesting way of dividing Dublin and much easier on commentators would be to have one team with surnames beginning wit O' another team starting with Mc another with surnames starting with letters from A to L and finally from N to Z. Homer Simpson could captain this team, unless he's from Cuala then he could play for Wicklow. Oh yes when they are knocked out of the championship he would be an outstanding referee.
In other words stop this nonsense.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1119 - 09/12/2020 22:54:59
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Replying To MillerX: "Cuala would hardly be city, I thought they were from Dalkey, could nearly move them to Wicklow!!!!! No No No don't send lads after me.
I think a more interesting way of dividing Dublin and much easier on commentators would be to have one team with surnames beginning wit O' another team starting with Mc another with surnames starting with letters from A to L and finally from N to Z. Homer Simpson could captain this team, unless he's from Cuala then he could play for Wicklow. Oh yes when they are knocked out of the championship he would be an outstanding referee.
In other words stop this nonsense." What's your proposal to remedy the situation?castigation is so easy but replacing the proposal with something of merit can be a bridge too far for some people!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/12/2020 23:39:15
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Jonny Cooper taking the mick earlier today.
"How would you feel if Dublin was split Johnny" ?
"Really happy, I'm from the Northside"!
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 10/12/2020 00:51:58
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Following population shifts, the number of seats allocated to an Irish Election constituency is subject to change. This keeps the game fair - with an elected TD roughly representing an equal number of citizens.
Should the GAA adopt similar flexibility in targetting a certain uniform club to county player ratio ? Even if Dublin is kept as one - why not have more Dublin teams, like Dublin B, Dublin C, and several teams drawn from the various individual regions within ?
How about 5 Provinces (Dublin, a new separate 5th) with 12 teams in each (including say, County B or City teams from Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast, Derry, Meath etc) ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3322 - 10/12/2020 04:05:06
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Replying To omahant: "Following population shifts, the number of seats allocated to an Irish Election constituency is subject to change. This keeps the game fair - with an elected TD roughly representing an equal number of citizens.
Should the GAA adopt similar flexibility in targetting a certain uniform club to county player ratio ? Even if Dublin is kept as one - why not have more Dublin teams, like Dublin B, Dublin C, and several teams drawn from the various individual regions within ?
How about 5 Provinces (Dublin, a new separate 5th) with 12 teams in each (including say, County B or City teams from Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast, Derry, Meath etc) ?" No sport does this. Sports teams are based on a local area and wide population disparity exists in all sports.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 10/12/2020 12:47:31
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "What's your proposal to remedy the situation?castigation is so easy but replacing the proposal with something of merit can be a bridge too far for some people!" I just pointed out that Cuala is situated in Dalkey in the very south of Dublin so close to Wicklow that it could nearly be Wicklow.
As regards splitting Dublin in four, last year it was two, next year it may be three so in effect we ware literally talking nonsense.
And there is no bridge too far for me. I have posted on HS several times about the Dublin situation and splitting the county has never been one of them. I favour the other counties getting their particular house in order as a first step. Redistribution of monies currently going or has recently gone to Dublin feature largely but unless the receiving counties have their houses in order I am afraid of waste. Dublin have made full use of the funds put at their disposal. Notice I did not say 'good use' as it is not a good thing that others suffer while some make good from the largesse of the whole.
And learn to recognize a bit of humour.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1119 - 10/12/2020 15:17:30
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Replying To MillerX: "I just pointed out that Cuala is situated in Dalkey in the very south of Dublin so close to Wicklow that it could nearly be Wicklow.
As regards splitting Dublin in four, last year it was two, next year it may be three so in effect we ware literally talking nonsense.
And there is no bridge too far for me. I have posted on HS several times about the Dublin situation and splitting the county has never been one of them. I favour the other counties getting their particular house in order as a first step. Redistribution of monies currently going or has recently gone to Dublin feature largely but unless the receiving counties have their houses in order I am afraid of waste. Dublin have made full use of the funds put at their disposal. Notice I did not say 'good use' as it is not a good thing that others suffer while some make good from the largesse of the whole.
And learn to recognize a bit of humour." Amalgamated teams to play in the AI incl two amalgamated teams from Dublin would ensure some real competition and possibly have a brilliant competition.Tip, never describe someone elses post as nonsense,put your own proposal in as you have just done and say why you believe something will not work.
I don't believe that your proposal of finance being a remedy would go deep enough to remedy the situation.Yes it can be part of the solution but a deeper root and branch analysis has to be done by the GAA and proposals to have an even playing field with competitive teams and equal opportunities and conditions should prevail.
I believe every county should have an equal opportunity to be represented on AI final day and amalgamation for the AI championship only could provide this.Dublin to have four teams amalgamated to two teams for the AI championship.
Separately have a tiered competition for all Co teams including the four for the Dublin area.Supporters can still enjoy their traditional allegiance to their own county that way.Dispense with the provincial football championships and the league.
That way all games/competitions would have a great chance of being competitive and every team taking part could reasonably expect success.I believe this would be so much better than what we have presently.
If we continue as we are the game will die,what young lad wats to play in a competition where he has little or no chance of succees.s..lads are not masochists although with some of the traditional winter training you would have to wonder!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 10/12/2020 16:03:30
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Replying To MesAmis: "Ballymun Kickham - City
Bank of Ireland -?
Beann Éadair - Fingal
Cabinteely - DLRD
Castleknock - Fingal
Civil Service Football - City
Clanna Gael Fontenoy - City
Clann Mhuire - Fingal
Clontarf - City
Commercials - South Dublin
Craobh Chiaráin - City
Croí Ró Naofa - South Dublin
Crumlin - City
Cuala - City
Erin Go Bragh - Fingal
Erins Isle - City
Faughs - South Dublin
Fingallians - Fingal
Fingal Ravens - Fingal
Garristown - Fingal
Geraldines P. Mórán - DLRD
Good Counsel - City
Innisfails - Fingal or City not sure
Kevin's - City
Kilmacud Crokes - DLRD
Liffey Gaels - City
Lucan Sarsfields - South Dublin
Man-Ó-War - Fingal
Na Dubh Ghall - Fingal
Na Fianna - City
Na Gaeil Óga CLG - South Dublin
Naomh Barróg - City
Naomh Fionnbarra - City
Naomh Mearnóg - Fingal
Naomh Olaf - DLRD
O'Dwyer - Fingal
O'Toole - City
Parnells - City
Portobello - City
Raheny - City
Ranelagh Gaels - City
Realt Dearg - South Dublin
Robert Emmets - City
Rosmini Gaels - City
Round Towers Clondalkin - South Dublin
Round Towers Lusk - Fingal
Scoil Uí Chonaill - City
Setanta - City
Shankill - DLRD
Skerries Harps - Fingal
St. Annes - South Dublin
Starlight - Fingal
Stars of Erin - DLRD
St. Brendans - City
St. Brigids - Fingal
St. Colmcille - Fingal
St. Finians Newcastle - South Dublin
St. Finians Swords - Fingal
St. James Gaels - City
St. Joseph's O'Connell Boys - City
St. Judes - South Dublin
St. Kevins Killians - South Dublin
St. Margarets - Fingal
St. Marks - South Dublin
St. Marys - South Dublin
St. Maurs - Fingal
St. Monicas - City
St. Oliver Plunketts Eoghan Ruadh - City
St. Patricks Donabate - Fingal
St. Patricks Palmerstown - South Dublin
St. Peregrines - Fingal
St. Sylvesters - Fingal
St. Vincents - City
Templeogue Synge Street - South Dublin/City
Thomas Davis - South Dublin
Trinity Gaels - City
Tyrellstown - Fingal
Wanderers -?
Westmanstown Gaels - Fingal
Whitehall Colmcille - City
Wild Geese - Fingal
Best I can do. Some might be wrong, off the top of my head stuff. Some clubs' grounds might be in one but most players come from another area etc." Was there not a traveller team playing in the lower divisions in Dublin at one point, Pavee? Have they gone out of existence?
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 10/12/2020 16:23:03
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Would the Dublin hurlers also be split ? Would the likes of Conal Kearney or Con O'Callaghan play football for one county and hurling for another??
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This proposal addresses the football deficit regarding competition but the forum is open to you if you want to address the skewed competition in the hurling...on you go!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 10/12/2020 16:58:44
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Replying To Ban: "Meanwhile - Over in Connacht
Mayo Population = 130,507
Galway Population = 258,058
Leitrim Population = 32,044
Are we going to split Galway and Mayo? Surely they have an advantage over Leitrim. And this is just one of many similar examples in the Country where Population is not even..!" Mayo has about four times the population of Leitrim. Undeniably, that confers a significant advantage. However, the funding disparity from HQ doesn't seem that great, if the figures from 2018 are to be believed, anyway.
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3725588/dublin-gaa-development-funding-1-3m/
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808
Maybe that year was an aberration, I haven't looked into the years before or after, to be fair.
Weirdly enough, Mayo and Leitrim haven't met that often in the championship, maybe half a dozen times over the past thirty years or so. Other than 2012 I don't ever recall Mayo really hammering them. Certainly, I don't ever recall us putting seven goals past them.
Can we say that about Dublin and anyone else in Leinster at this point?
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 10/12/2020 17:09:58
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "This proposal addresses the football deficit regarding competition but the forum is open to you if you want to address the skewed competition in the hurling...on you go!" I've in the minority of Dublin people in that I have supported splitting Dublin in even pre Jim Gavin era. There have long been too many excellent players in Dublin who do not get in play at intercounty level .
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Replying To bad.monkey: "I've in the minority of Dublin people in that I have supported splitting Dublin in even pre Jim Gavin era. There have long been too many excellent players in Dublin who do not get in play at intercounty level ." Going just by that logic then Kerry and other counties should also have been split
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3789 - 10/12/2020 18:08:44
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