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All Ireland Football Final 2020 - Dublin V Mayo

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I would start Colm Basquel

He's the best finisher on the Dubs panel and has a deadly eye for goals

Mayo are there to be got at and when you've that level of excellence on the bench it's not a good use of his talents.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 10:45:03    2319668

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Think this will be very tight and either team can win it really.

Almost two new teams who slugged out from 12-17.

This unusual year i think has suited Mayo, probably heading in to the final with the least amount of games played then any other recent final, no injuries' of note and motoring very very well.

Id fear them in the sense that i think the team to beat Dublin will be one who have plenty of experience playing them and no one has more then that then this Mayo team.

In Horan you have one of the only managers to beat Dublin in teens and is a wiley old fox and plays the game in the right spirit.

We're well capable as we know, but in all honesty haven't been road tested this year. This game will be in the melting pot and in Dessies first year we dont know how will be or how he will react under pressure, that can be very infuential on the day, he has some very big calls to make.

50/50 game for me.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 07/12/2020 10:49:15    2319672

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "I am not sure, Fair play to Mayo for getting this far but i am yet to be convinced they can compete with Dublin. Mayo trained right through the year so were obviously fitter and better set up than most opposition.
They destroyed us and should have won by double what they did but we were shocking and manager and half the squad missed two weeks training in the lead up to game due to covid which didnt help. Galway out of form and playing badly had them on the ropes and they can thank the ref for that win. Looked phenomenal yesterday truth be told but i would question what standard the opposition was but thats not Mayo's fault. Hopefully they can give Dublin a game as i think Football needs a Mayo win"
The Munster Championship was very poor this year and a big win over Tipp just might mean very little. Early in the year the two winter competition final were played on a January in Limerick and both Finals were contested by Cork and Limerick. They both had fairly full strength teams in the Football and went at it with gusto from the throw. Limerick were a Div. 4 team yet they led from start to finish and won 20 points to 16. Eleven of those 20 points were scored by Danny Neville and Jamie Lee. Lee had gone travelling and Neville was injured for ages before the championship and only came on as a sub and yet Tipp were very lucky to beat in extra time by a point. Had LK had Lee and Neville fully fit and on the field I feel our Div 4 side would have beaten Tipp with a bit to spare. How Cork beat Kerry I will never,, they just as poorly against Tipp in November as they played against Limerick in January, a Div 3 team at best.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 07/12/2020 10:59:14    2319677

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "The Munster Championship was very poor this year and a big win over Tipp just might mean very little. Early in the year the two winter competition final were played on a January in Limerick and both Finals were contested by Cork and Limerick. They both had fairly full strength teams in the Football and went at it with gusto from the throw. Limerick were a Div. 4 team yet they led from start to finish and won 20 points to 16. Eleven of those 20 points were scored by Danny Neville and Jamie Lee. Lee had gone travelling and Neville was injured for ages before the championship and only came on as a sub and yet Tipp were very lucky to beat in extra time by a point. Had LK had Lee and Neville fully fit and on the field I feel our Div 4 side would have beaten Tipp with a bit to spare. How Cork beat Kerry I will never,, they just as poorly against Tipp in November as they played against Limerick in January, a Div 3 team at best."
Kerry should have won their 8th Munster championship in a row alright

Followed by 9 and 10

A balls up of epic proportions

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 11:18:33    2319685

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There are 2 teams capable of beating Dublin - Kerry and Mayo. I was delighted to see Kerry go out as I think they really are coming, despite Keane's suspect tactics against Cork. Mayo are a thorn in Dublin's side. They just won't go away and they come back hungrier each time. They'll look at the strange year that's been in it, the lack of a crowd for the final, their first half demolition of the Munster champions and they will fancy their chances hugely in this one. I think they will need 3 or 4 Dublin players not to perform, Kilkenny, Fenton and for Cluxton to be out of sorts with his distribution. If that happens and Mayo play well then it's going to be close. But the Dubs have been here many times and will never lie down. Big Dublin personnel calls for me are Howard v Bugler, Mannion v P Small, McDaid v any of the seasoned Dublin backs. Should be a great contest, just a pity that there won't be a crowd. My first Dublin AI final missed since 1979 when Kerry mauled us.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 07/12/2020 11:27:01    2319686

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I would start Colm Basquel

He's the best finisher on the Dubs panel and has a deadly eye for goals

Mayo are there to be got at and when you've that level of excellence on the bench it's not a good use of his talents."
Who would you drop jimbo ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 07/12/2020 13:50:55    2319756

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Replying To Joxer:  "There are 2 teams capable of beating Dublin - Kerry and Mayo. I was delighted to see Kerry go out as I think they really are coming, despite Keane's suspect tactics against Cork. Mayo are a thorn in Dublin's side. They just won't go away and they come back hungrier each time. They'll look at the strange year that's been in it, the lack of a crowd for the final, their first half demolition of the Munster champions and they will fancy their chances hugely in this one. I think they will need 3 or 4 Dublin players not to perform, Kilkenny, Fenton and for Cluxton to be out of sorts with his distribution. If that happens and Mayo play well then it's going to be close. But the Dubs have been here many times and will never lie down. Big Dublin personnel calls for me are Howard v Bugler, Mannion v P Small, McDaid v any of the seasoned Dublin backs. Should be a great contest, just a pity that there won't be a crowd. My first Dublin AI final missed since 1979 when Kerry mauled us."
It's a nice headache Jimbo. I like Basquel but Paddy Small has nt put a foot wrong and Rock a sure starter. I guess you could bring Con out to half line and drop Scully but you lose a hard grafter there. I would nt say its Howard v Bugler either. Howard can play midfield or half back. For me at the back Mick Fitz Cooper and David Byrne have to start. And if Howard plays midfield you have James ie Small and then McDaid/Murchan. A nice headache to have and certainly means a strong bench. However in such a strange year be prepared for the unknown but hopefully an injury or covid won't rule out a big player

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 07/12/2020 15:07:54    2319791

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Who would you drop jimbo ?"
I think P Small has done well but for me we need an extra dynamic goal threat

We are continuing to butcher goal chances as was evident again against Cavan

It's nothing against Paddy. Love the chap, but purely from a tactical stand point I think we need to have a far more assured goal threat, especially after Tipp exposed certain frailties.

Looking at who's there IMO that player is Colm Basquel and I think given the opportunity he'd deliver

Thats just my two cents

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 15:13:49    2319794

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Think this will be very tight and either team can win it really.

Almost two new teams who slugged out from 12-17.

This unusual year i think has suited Mayo, probably heading in to the final with the least amount of games played then any other recent final, no injuries' of note and motoring very very well.

Id fear them in the sense that i think the team to beat Dublin will be one who have plenty of experience playing them and no one has more then that then this Mayo team.

In Horan you have one of the only managers to beat Dublin in teens and is a wiley old fox and plays the game in the right spirit.

We're well capable as we know, but in all honesty haven't been road tested this year. This game will be in the melting pot and in Dessies first year we dont know how will be or how he will react under pressure, that can be very infuential on the day, he has some very big calls to make.

50/50 game for me."
Ahh come off it. No dub fan thinks it's 50/50. Be shock of century if mayo won. cute hoorism is best left to the Kerry lads.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2020 15:58:56    2319814

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I think it's more 70/30 or 80/20 in favour of the Dubs. We probably haven't see them hit full throttle yet and they where poor enough in spells v Cavan. Goals were on and they took handy points instead. They will crucify this Mayo defence .


I think in other years there would be a sense of anticipation, a big build up, an air of hope for the under dog. That's just not around this year and I think it's the first match in years of such importance, where the result is a foregone conclusion, that the neutral fans really don't care about.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 16:13:34    2319827

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh come off it. No dub fan thinks it's 50/50. Be shock of century if mayo won. cute hoorism is best left to the Kerry lads."
It wouldn't be the shock of the century RD

Dublin have played teams well below them so far

First top 5 team coming up and a team proven time and time again to defy the odds against Dublin

Dublin have the upmost respect for Mayo

Dubs are favourites to win but I wouldn't be reading too much into Dublin's cake walk run to the final.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 16:20:55    2319834

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Replying To daytona11:  "I think it's more 70/30 or 80/20 in favour of the Dubs. We probably haven't see them hit full throttle yet and they where poor enough in spells v Cavan. Goals were on and they took handy points instead. They will crucify this Mayo defence .


I think in other years there would be a sense of anticipation, a big build up, an air of hope for the under dog. That's just not around this year and I think it's the first match in years of such importance, where the result is a foregone conclusion, that the neutral fans really don't care about."
Don't agree that match is a foregone conclusion. Mayo are fantastic going forward. Agreed they looked very vulnerable at the back. But every game takes on a life of its own. Mayo will definitely cause Dublin trouble if they run at them. I know on paper it looks like Dublin but have they really been tested so far this year. On top of this ironically this pandemic is helping Mayo cause ie no supporters, no hill 16. This will go a long way in settling nerves of mayos young newcomers. I could be totally wrong but IMO there will be very little in it at final whistle.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 07/12/2020 16:52:51    2319856

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh come off it. No dub fan thinks it's 50/50. Be shock of century if mayo won. cute hoorism is best left to the Kerry lads."
Ah yeah, that's fair enough, we are 41 Championship games unbeaten and will be roaring hot favorites, we are a very good team and will be going out to win it.

But i think the points i made still stand. I can see a lot of pluses for Mayo and a few minus for Dublin.

If Jim Gavin was still manager id be very confident. That is not to criticise Dessie, but he is managing his first Senior All Ireland final so its an unknown and calls from the bench play a big part on the day itself.

Away from that Dublin have had a fairly gentle slope to get this far so far.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 07/12/2020 17:29:47    2319879

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Im gutted to be saying it but I find it very difficult to build up any excitement for this game. I really think the Cork upset v. Kerry, the Cavan story and the Tipperary story has dominated the championship this season. Mayo have come in under the radar and now the collosus awaits. I love me a bit of romanticism, a bit of a daydream, thats what makes sport so special, it helps tackle the boredom and darkness of our day to day existence, but for this game... I just cant see any other conclusion.

Prove me wrong men of Maigh Eo.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 597 - 07/12/2020 17:46:31    2319885

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It wouldn't be the shock of the century RD

Dublin have played teams well below them so far

First top 5 team coming up and a team proven time and time again to defy the odds against Dublin

Dublin have the upmost respect for Mayo

Dubs are favourites to win but I wouldn't be reading too much into Dublin's cake walk run to the final."
Mayo like ourselves were relegated (now they can't perform as badly as we did) but they haven't got a hope. And I say that as someone who will be praying that they win.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2020 19:28:28    2319935

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Ah yeah, that's fair enough, we are 41 Championship games unbeaten and will be roaring hot favorites, we are a very good team and will be going out to win it.

But i think the points i made still stand. I can see a lot of pluses for Mayo and a few minus for Dublin.

If Jim Gavin was still manager id be very confident. That is not to criticise Dessie, but he is managing his first Senior All Ireland final so its an unknown and calls from the bench play a big part on the day itself.

Away from that Dublin have had a fairly gentle slope to get this far so far."
I just don't see it, look I've seen mayo play v Meath this year. We gifted them a goal to win the game , mayo have improved dramatically since that game but they are nowhere near Dublin if they perform to their ability, they are the best of the rest no doubt, I really want to see a tight close game of football but I just don't see it happening. I do hope I'm wrong

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2020 19:32:02    2319939

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I just don't see it, look I've seen mayo play v Meath this year. We gifted them a goal to win the game , mayo have improved dramatically since that game but they are nowhere near Dublin if they perform to their ability, they are the best of the rest no doubt, I really want to see a tight close game of football but I just don't see it happening. I do hope I'm wrong"
The real danger teams that were carrying the fight according to bookies and fans alike were Kerry and Donegal

Kerry especially would have lost people plenty of money. They were highly thought of this year and their fans were confident.

If it went the way many expected Dublin would have had to go get through them both. It simply didn't go to plan.

It's good the games are on and the players putting in such an effort while putting themselves at risk of serious illness is something I don't take for granted.

Thinks there's a lesson there no?

The Dubs will be getting a test soon enough and if they go onto beat Mayo well it would have been expected considering neither of the previously thought of top dogs to stop Dublin even got out of their province to challenge them.

Massive credit to Mayo. They had a tough NFL Div 1 but dusted themselves down and are in the final on merit.

They got the job done while others faltered and it might just be the perfect storm for Mayo.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 20:24:41    2319976

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What is equally as nauseating as Gilroy lsst night is the fact the media, rte being the main one, will try and build this game up no end. While after 20 minutes the neutrals will have switched off.

If Dublin decide to really stretch the legs and up it a few gears it will be a hiding. Dublin though might let up early on.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 22:35:58    2320041

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I just don't see it, look I've seen mayo play v Meath this year. We gifted them a goal to win the game , mayo have improved dramatically since that game but they are nowhere near Dublin if they perform to their ability, they are the best of the rest no doubt, I really want to see a tight close game of football but I just don't see it happening. I do hope I'm wrong"
A lot even in the media are pessimistic, I was listening to OTB before hitting the gym and even I was depressed listening to them.

But to long in the tooth not to take Mayo very seriously, you ain't seen hunger until you see Mayo in a final hunger. Mayo won't be beat before a ball is kicked, they will have no fear of Dublin.

No point saying we're not a great team, we are, we will be going out to win. I've said it all year it's very hard to win an All Ireland as a manager year 1 as a manager. We have players well capable as we know. But the sideline and decisions are critical on the day and Dessie hasn't been in this position at Senior before. Horgan has more then once.

Last year, Mayo won the first half of the semi, after dogging it week in, week out for about two months and a list of injuries as big as your arm.

Trust me there isn't a team the Dubs respect and revere more then Mayo, it's the biggest rivalry in football of the last ten years.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 07/12/2020 22:58:31    2320053

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Dublin don't lose finals and Mayo dont win them.
Dublin fitter,more skillful, and aren't under any pressure. (they could lose the next 3 finals and they'd still probably be regarded as serial winners)

Mayo might push them til the 50th minute or the hour mark,, they might,, but Dublin to win pulling up. I'll go with Dublin by between 7 and 12.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 08/12/2020 00:03:32    2320066

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