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If they had been given state funding and had the population to refresh the team every second year the other counties would be ecstatic, especially the Dubs!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 06/12/2020 08:38:27 2318990 Link 0 |
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Your first sentence could well be right, it might not have been the case either. I think Dublin had another gear. I said in a couple of posts he should've given kilkenny frees he didn't. I never said he gave Dublin everything. So please don't put words in my mouth to try and brush aside what is a very valid point, and one which needs to be raised regardless of scoreline cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 06/12/2020 08:40:09 2318991 Link 1 |
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None at all, agreed. Doesn't make it right. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 06/12/2020 08:51:47 2318993 Link 2 |
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Tyrone would beat them well. Dublin dont have the likes of Mcguigan, O Neill, Dooher, Canavan, Mulligan, Jordan, etc. Pure ballers of outstanding ability. Yes Dublin are winning All lrelands now, but its primarily based on fielding very mobile, superior conditioned athletes, and keeping possession through hand passing, backpassing, side passing, tiring teams out, and taking the easy point's which present as a result of that. Its not necessarily football, moreso a bastardised version of basketball. They will continue to win, and can certainly achieve 10 in a row playing the game in its current guise, or even more if the so decide. Mayo52 (Mayo) - Posts: 44 - 06/12/2020 08:53:41 2318994 Link 2 |
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This has an element of truth most counties because of the playing size manage to get a solid group together at the same time e that allows them to compete. Weastmeath louth kildare donegal roscommon but look beyond that and you will see dublin(1m population) kerry mayo and Tyrone are the only ones who have been able to change up thier teams . Rule changes over the last 15 years have supported the big teams at the expense of the smaller counties. The 2 biggest rule changes in my opinion that have increased the gap where 1 Moving the games to 70 minutes dramatically increased the fitness expectations smaller counties cannot afford the training professionals that the top teams get. 2 the 5 sub rule. I personally believe that every county could get a high standard 15 on the pitch to compete but not every county can find 20+. If you look at the pattern of play it is normally the last 10 minutes of a match where the weaker counties get steamrolled as their bench does not have the quality. Change these 2 back and I guarantee you will see meath challenge in leinster etc. But the GAA have made dublin a monster that they are afraid to tackle. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 06/12/2020 08:57:27 2318995 Link 1 |
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Yes, I tend to agree with this. if you have backs and especially half backs with quality and accurately of Dublin. it definitely takes pressure of the forwards. And if Dublin get a 4 or 5 pint lead they dont see they need to panic in to shooting and rack massive scores straight way. They are comfortable with holding a 5 point lead, and dont panic that they are under pressure. At the end the day its about winning not racking up a massive 20 point score. Dublin know this. People get excited if Dublin only win by say 5 points. "They got close " " They pushed them all the way " "Last years All Ireland was draw" The net result was another All -Ireland for Dublin.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1269 - 06/12/2020 09:11:48 2319003 Link 0 |
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Again we are talking sense. Which doesn't go down well on here
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/12/2020 09:18:10 2319007 Link 0 |
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Again we are talking sense. Which doesn't go down well on here
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/12/2020 09:18:18 2319008 Link 0 |
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Yep. Totally agreed
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/12/2020 09:20:24 2319010 Link 0 |
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Absolutely boring game.. switched it off and went and made the dinner...no joy in watching a bunch of robots. mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/12/2020 09:34:22 2319012 Link 1 |
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It was over by the first water break in fairness, but well done to both teams during these challenging days. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1228 - 06/12/2020 09:41:44 2319017 Link 0 |
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I agree Cooper should have got a black, he knew exactly what he was doing. For me though the ref decided very early on he wasnt giving blacks and reds, if im being frankly honest i think that gave licence Cavan to kick lumps out of the Dublin forwards, King Con, Kilkenny, Scully and Bugler - thats fine Cavan wont be the first or last team to come to Croke Park, tey it and fail. The lads did brilliantly with the type of abuse they got. Im not complaining about it, its part of the game. But the ref definitely favored Cavan and he let a lot go to enable them. In that context the other decisions were never going to blacks and penos. I think we were on the wrong end of most decisions as i think the ref was trying to make a game of it, Cavan could have had a few blacks themselves, the one on Kilkenny, another i think on Con and the Rock off the ball pull down and the secod trip when he got back up. Not cribbing just pointing out, the ref sets the perimeters of the game and if he lets a lot go both tams will take advantage of that. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4517 - 06/12/2020 09:42:39 2319018 Link 1 |
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And lets be honest its it's all about the results!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 940 - 06/12/2020 09:43:59 2319019 Link 0 |
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With all the whinging going on, not too much from Cavan folk in fairness, it seems Dublin owe everybody an apology for not pushing the self-destruct button, just as Kerry and Donegal did and let a poorer side beat them in Leinster. Fair dues to Cavan for taking the opportunity handed to them by Donegal but everyone knows Cavan are not the best team in Ulster, by a fair bit, and the Monaghans and Donegals blew it. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 909 - 06/12/2020 09:46:00 2319020 Link 2 |
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The more serious issue with our games are they way the whistle is used . Over 90% of tackles are fouls and nobody seems to care. The governing bodies keep adding new rules which makes the Ref's job impossible. Most Refs are very up to date with the many rules but lack football experience having played little. What I mean by fouls is the tackle on and off the ball, as nowadays you get away with more than if was a rugby game (guys pulling, dragging, hand on back etc.) Refs are very good at pulling up a shoulder charge the good ones as well as the bad ones. The best teams are the ones that are best at pulling and dragging -and getting away with it! (conditioning helps here). Now this is a not a go at Refs-my main point is the the game now with its many rules are near impossible to Ref. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/12/2020 10:02:40 2319029 Link 1 |
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He didn't get a red card, he got a yellow. Costello should have gotten a yellow but got a red but sure ye know yourself....
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 06/12/2020 10:07:34 2319030 Link 3 |
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Just throwing this out there- is Dessie Farrell a better manager than Jim Gavin?! Looking at results this year they are swatting teams aside with unbelievable ease. More so than when Jim Gavin was there. They seem to have developed more and are playing a much more expansive game. I think it shows that Jim Gavin wasn't the "best" manager of all time after all. Farrell has come in and continued the same and has Dublin seem to be playing with more freedom and expression than under the previous regime. Seem happier and more ruthless than ever before. Running up bigger scores and conceding much less. the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 06/12/2020 10:13:25 2319033 Link 1 |
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Worst tackle of the match was the hit on James McCarthy which unbelievably went unpunished Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 817 - 06/12/2020 10:14:10 2319034 Link 4 |
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Enjoyed the game. Thought Cavan did well considering what they were up against. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 06/12/2020 10:22:22 2319035 Link 3 |
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Hard to say but I do think that Tyrone side would have put it up to them as they had a lot of talented footballers the the mental strength and never say die attitude apart form that only the Armagh of the earlier part of that period would have a chance against this Dublin outfit .Kerry's All Ireland victories in that period were against teams who were mentally weak and beaten before a ball was kicked apart from the one over Galway in 2000.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 06/12/2020 10:38:31 2319042 Link 2 |