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Replying To Horsebox77: "I was referencing the madness of it all where common sense looks to have been lost - currently anything "black" is bring scrutinised - Sligo historicity wore a primarily white jersey, over the last two decades it became black - i was using this as an example of ludicrous things that the holier than thou bandwagon jumpers are spouting mentioned for change.
Like a Kerry poster said can Gavin White still be Gavin White can we still refer to Paddy Bàn as Paddy Bàn.
Jesus get over ourselves and grow a pair and get on with it" Horsebox talkin horse manure, the current conversation is asking if it is appropriate to honour John Mitchel by dedicating your club name to his memory , nothing to do with the colour of jerseys. A quote from Mitchel " Africans should be made available to be owned, bought and sold, and flogging is a just means of keeping them to work". Surely it is difficult to see how you conflate the colours of jerseys with the above.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1009 - 12/06/2020 21:50:21
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Replying To sligo joe: "Horsebox talkin horse manure, the current conversation is asking if it is appropriate to honour John Mitchel by dedicating your club name to his memory , nothing to do with the colour of jerseys. A quote from Mitchel " Africans should be made available to be owned, bought and sold, and flogging is a just means of keeping them to work". Surely it is difficult to see how you conflate the colours of jerseys with the above." I find Mitchel's views on slavery abhorent but not a single GAA club is named after him for that reason....he played a very important role in highlighting the horrors of the famine on the native population of Ireland including challenging the colonial mindset that was deliberately failing people to death, poverty or emigration.....he was exiled for that work and wrote a significant book Jail Journal.....those are the reasons he was honoured by GAA clubs....he is a very complex character being a protestant who supported the rights of both Catholics and indeed the freedom of the island BUT he also had disgusting and totally unacceptable views on racial matters....I'm sure some clubs are/will grapple with this issue but to suggest in any shape or form that his views on racism had anything to do with clubs being named after him is farcical.....
ArmaghCat (Armagh) - Posts: 86 - 12/06/2020 22:14:18
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Replying To sligo joe: "Horsebox talkin horse manure, the current conversation is asking if it is appropriate to honour John Mitchel by dedicating your club name to his memory , nothing to do with the colour of jerseys. A quote from Mitchel " Africans should be made available to be owned, bought and sold, and flogging is a just means of keeping them to work". Surely it is difficult to see how you conflate the colours of jerseys with the above." Easy kid, maybe if your knickers weren't so much in a knot like other snow flakes we wouldn't be in such a position.
PC perfection dictating to the majority common sense brigade.
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 12/06/2020 22:20:35
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Cork always had the coolest looking flags at matches over the years, be it the Japanese Rising sun, battle flag of the south or the Soviet flag.
In truth it's dangerous to get too into what these flags mean to different people, all the above flags for some mean good and bad things.
For example the confederate flag for many in America was a symbol of slavery, for many it was a symbol of revolt against a federal government trying to tell locals what to do while for others it is mixed up in remembering what happened after the south lost and the harsh treatment of the south by the north after the war was over.
Trying to tell people how to think is wrong, let people decide themselves." Exactly!
Stupid snowflake Federal Government telling good people that they aren't able to own other human beings anymore!
PC gone mad!
Telling people not to fly pro-slavery flags is terrible!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 12/06/2020 22:33:11
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Easy kid, maybe if your knickers weren't so much in a knot like other snow flakes we wouldn't be in such a position.
PC perfection dictating to the majority common sense brigade." The Liberal lefties loons want to us to consider that maybe in a 21st Century multicultaral society that flying pro-slavery flags isn't common sense!
Madness!
People should be allowed to use their common sense and fly pro-slavery flags and the neo-Marxist social justice snowflake warriors can just cry into their oatmilk cappuccinos!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 12/06/2020 22:38:09
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An a not totally unrelated note. .
How long before the tri-colour is considered offensive too?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5306 - 12/06/2020 22:53:46
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Some great posts both sides of the issue. I myself would have left it alone as these Cork fans were doing no harm to anyone and I take things in CONTEXT. That flag was the fifth in a line of Battle Flags that the South had in the Civil War. Anyone that really cares should read about the American Civil War as it's a very intriguing topic and you won't be bored. Shelby Foote is a great historian on the topic. Interesting tidbit: some of the Northern Generals owned slaves while some of the Southern Generals didn't.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2631 - 12/06/2020 22:54:19
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Easy kid, maybe if your knickers weren't so much in a knot like other snow flakes we wouldn't be in such a position.
PC perfection dictating to the majority common sense brigade." All I'm saying is it is up to the clubs themselves if they think their association with Mitchel is something they want to continue. Funny you still have not explained the relevance of Sligo changing the pattern of the same colours on their jersey to whether Mitchel should or should not be commerated by GAA clubs. Seems to be, like I said, just a bit of horse manure you threw in.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1009 - 12/06/2020 23:04:00
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Easy kid, maybe if your knickers weren't so much in a knot like other snow flakes we wouldn't be in such a position.
PC perfection dictating to the majority common sense brigade." And I'm sure the majority of members in the relevant clubs will in their wisdom decide whether or not Mitchel's expressed values reflect the values their clubs wish to espouse and maybe for "your benefit" they should have a debate about jersey colours as well?
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1009 - 12/06/2020 23:10:43
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I'm not a fan of the professionally offended I have to say and sadly the world has gone a little bit mad at the mintue but you'd hope things will calm down soon.
As for the Confederate flag, well look I think if people are waving it in support of slavery then yes that's dusgusting and 100% should be banned (I'd imagine that has already been banned in most places).
However if people are waving the confederate flag in support of Cork Gaa, then I can't really see the problem. Bit a difference between the supporting slavery and supporting Cork I would have thought.
In the long run I can't see history being too kind to all these loopy far left groups looking to ban everything (ps, I believe Little Britian and Gone With The Wind have recently got the chop too because they're extremely racist as well apparently!).
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/06/2020 23:16:46
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PC gone mad is a serious cliche at this stage.
It's used as the end of the argument.
B*llocks to that.
Political correctness is a good thing. Why does anyone need to fly a confederate flag at a Cork game. Whatever about back in the day when we were a lot more ignorant as a society. There's no excuse now. There's no good reason to fly it now other than a "I'm going to do what I want, because my silly flag is more important to me than treating you a fellow member of society with decency and respect."
There are people in this country and in our association who can be properly hurt by this sort of thing. If you follow people on social media of a different race for instance, it's not just large acts of racism that hurts. The regular low level, somewhat harmless seeming or unintentional racism hurts too. I can see why too, it must be hard feeling like you're not being treated as a full member of the society that you are in.
I don't see why anyone would want to contribute to that. Honestly to all those spouting the PC gone mad rhetoric why are you invested in not removing racist artefacts from our society. I can't see what the motivation can be other than as an act of supremacy. I refuse to change for you, how dare you expect me to change for you and treat you as I would want to be treated.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4611 - 13/06/2020 00:13:47
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I carried a Russian flag to Louth matches for years. Was not indicating a support for Communism. More adding colour to the occasion. Never met one party who was offended. Met many who liked the variation. Beginning to think the world is gone mad....
LaLu (Louth) - Posts: 238 - 13/06/2020 00:17:56
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Replying To sligo joe: "Horsebox talkin horse manure, the current conversation is asking if it is appropriate to honour John Mitchel by dedicating your club name to his memory , nothing to do with the colour of jerseys. A quote from Mitchel " Africans should be made available to be owned, bought and sold, and flogging is a just means of keeping them to work". Surely it is difficult to see how you conflate the colours of jerseys with the above." Well I hope Sligo supporters won't be going around waving any black flags, sure are'nt they what ISIS use
UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 13/06/2020 00:18:06
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Easy kid, maybe if your knickers weren't so much in a knot like other snow flakes we wouldn't be in such a position.
PC perfection dictating to the majority common sense brigade." horsebox you are right, big load of horse manure, next whinge fest please.
lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 13/06/2020 00:45:33
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All this quarantine is really getting to people. The sooner matches come back the better.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2505 - 13/06/2020 01:17:15
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I'm guessing the Palestine flag will be ok, nothing at all wrong that
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 326 - 13/06/2020 02:57:00
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I was a member of a club named after John Mitchel for many years, before I emigrated. It came as a shock to me this week to read of his pro-slavery, pro- eugenics and segregationist views.
Speaking only for myself, I think I would be a little sad to see the club renamed; I'm fairly sure it was this named because of his activism for the people of the people of Ireland, rather than his later advocacy of slavery. That said, it's ultimately just a name, and people will follow the clubs concerned irrespective of what they are called. And how would I feel if I'm a young fella of African heritage playing gaelic games and then I learn of John Mitchels views?
It should indeed be up to the members of said clubs whether they want to change the names, and not due to pressure imposed by outside agitators who in most cases, wouldn't know whether a football is pumped or stuffed.
One thing is for certain: some of these people are never satisfied in their cancel culture, and if it's not GAA clubs, they will move on to something else. I have a feeling that soccer clubs named after Celtic could be next...
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/06/2020 08:58:41
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There's a bit of whataboutism going on in this thread.
Well we're not talking about other flags. We're talking about the battle flag of the confederacy here. That's it's overriding meaning. It's the flag that was used on the battlefield by the force that was opposing the abolition of racism. You need to come up with a pretty strong reason for it to remain, I tell you I'm not hearing them.
As for other flags they should be taken on their own merits.
The PC gone mad brigade are always where will it end? I mean come on, it's not like people are acting crazy to think that a flag that was used by those fighting for slavery has no place in the GAA.
As for clubs being named after John Mitchell, there's probably a conversation to be had over that too. These conversations should be had, it's the adamant refusal to bend to any critical thought that I find really quite disturbing from the PC gone mad brigade.
Why are you so afraid to engage and listen to others. You might find them to be right or wrong on specific issues but you guys appear actively against this discovery.
You're happy to live in your own blissful ignorance.
It's a pathetic mindset to have.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4611 - 13/06/2020 09:11:36
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "This is what Cork GAA chairperson Tracey Kennedy said:
"As far as I'm concerned, the Confederate flag is banned,"
"Ger's statement in 2017 was very clear when he asked our supporters not to bring the flag to our grounds, not to use the flag, so as far as I'm concerned, it's banned.
"I'm happy to make that position explicit and say it's banned from our grounds. It has no place in our grounds or in supporting Cork teams.
"We're a community association and every part of the community is welcome in the GAA."
My first concern is that it seems to be a unilateral decision made by Tracey Kennedy, she uses the word I, instead of we (as in the Cork county board).
With regards to the ban. You have to very careful when you start banning flags, because a group of people find it offensive. Some 'communities' would, indeed do, find the US Stars and Stripes offensive, or the Israeli Star of David flag for instance; not to mention the British Union Flag.
In fact, the Japanese Rising Sun Flag is often waved by Cork supporters. This flag is offensive in East Asia, particularly in South Korea. Will Tracey Kennedy be banning this too? If not, why not?
I fully understand the reason behind the ban, but feel this could have been handled in a better way. Instead she's made a knee-jerk reaction to events occurring in other countries." That she used 'I' there doesnt at all mean it was her decision and hers only to ban the flag. She is explicitly saying it's her opinion the flag shouldnt be used.
What is the better way that this could have been handled.
I'm not sure this is knee jerk reaction to what's happened abroad. Has here not been plenty of debate on and off over the years about the use of this and other flags at gaa games?
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Replying To Whammo86: "There's a bit of whataboutism going on in this thread.
Well we're not talking about other flags. We're talking about the battle flag of the confederacy here. That's it's overriding meaning. It's the flag that was used on the battlefield by the force that was opposing the abolition of racism. You need to come up with a pretty strong reason for it to remain, I tell you I'm not hearing them.
As for other flags they should be taken on their own merits.
The PC gone mad brigade are always where will it end? I mean come on, it's not like people are acting crazy to think that a flag that was used by those fighting for slavery has no place in the GAA.
As for clubs being named after John Mitchell, there's probably a conversation to be had over that too. These conversations should be had, it's the adamant refusal to bend to any critical thought that I find really quite disturbing from the PC gone mad brigade.
Why are you so afraid to engage and listen to others. You might find them to be right or wrong on specific issues but you guys appear actively against this discovery.
You're happy to live in your own blissful ignorance.
It's a pathetic mindset to have." In fairness some "whataboutism" is relevant, especially when you're talking about the wave of modern PC culture.
The more you appease these hard leftist pressure groups the more they will grow in power, and the bans on this, that and other will increase.
Now while maybe you haven't been directly effected by anything yet, just give it time. Eventually somethimg you like will be deemed "problematic" and/or "offensive" and then what.
For example I was only recently watching the Fr Ted episode where everyone thinks Ted is a racist because he does an impression chinese people. Now I love that episode and still do and I hope it's never removed (like Little Britian and Gone with the Wind were this week for being 'racist').
But it's naive at best to think that, that couldn't happen if you continue to support the perpetually offended.
Finally I don't think anybody who waves the Confederate flag at a Cork game is a supporter of slavery, I think they're probably just supporting Cork. What do you think?
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