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Meath V Fermanagh

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I'm not going to post tonight about that game. as I want to clear my head a bit first. And I may say things now that I wouldn't say in the morning. The only thing I will say is the review can't come quick enough

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/01/2024 17:30:18    2522426

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On the way back from Navan. Dropped Into Mrs O's for a couple of pints. Talked to 2 separate lads about the game and they were slightly positive about it!!!... I couldn't believe it. There's very few positives about that game.

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 382 - 27/01/2024 17:39:12    2522431

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Dreadful performance.

Rudderless and lethargic.

I said all along I will reserve judgement on whether we've improved or not until after the league is complete and I will stick to that. But that was not good today. Not good at all.

Hopefully it will open the eyes of some on here claiming there was definite improvement in the TC Cup last year and that it wasn't just because we were playing the country's rock bottom teams like Wexford and Waterford.

Early days in the league but more performances like that will suggest that any improvement last year was down to playing low quality opposition

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 991 - 27/01/2024 17:43:04    2522433

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Replying To Selwyn:  "On the way back from Navan. Dropped Into Mrs O's for a couple of pints. Talked to 2 separate lads about the game and they were slightly positive about it!!!... I couldn't believe it. There's very few positives about that game."
thought cauilfield looked good. also happy to see mcbride come . looks like he might be a option midfield

Harnan6 (Meath) - Posts: 35 - 27/01/2024 17:51:15    2522440

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Replying To Harnan6:  "thought cauilfield looked good. also happy to see mcbride come . looks like he might be a option midfield"
Yeah to be fair, seeing McBride come on was a positive. Didn't think much of Caulfield tbh

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 382 - 27/01/2024 18:06:46    2522444

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Head scratching performance. Frayne was probably our most productive forward but possibly, along with one or two others, cost Meath the game by not passing with a 3 on 1 scenario. Was whipped off soon afterwards. That was the 3rd time in the second half where we had an overlap and the player in question thought there is an I in team and didn't give the ball to the player the better position. Infuriating at times. We could have won it in the end and probably should have but Fermanagh were well worth the draw. Here's hoping we can iron out some issues before next Saturday evenings trip to Armagh-which will be tough. Never been to the Athletic grounds before so will be a first for me.

Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1205 - 27/01/2024 18:24:52    2522449

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The best player on the park was fermanagh 13. And we gave him the ample time on the ball and we struggled to defend in 1v1 situations. Keoghan was fantastic like always. But I thought we were cut wide open defensively while at the other end we were slow and lacking a change of pace. I don't want to overreact but in reality we look the same team as last year. We are a average team and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 55 - 27/01/2024 19:07:53    2522456

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Hard not to be a tad deflated after that. It is 1 point on the board and could be important later in the league so there's that.

Fermanagh are no mugs. They have limited resources and player pools but have always had good performances in them, today being no different. In saying that in 20+ years of watching Meath coming up against blanket defences... we are still somewhere between first base and second base. Just cant deal with them. One has to hope in 2/3 games time, the team will be clicking far more as they left scores behind today, including goals. Very hard to call this year's league.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 596 - 27/01/2024 19:36:32    2522464

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Dreadful performance.

Rudderless and lethargic.

I said all along I will reserve judgement on whether we've improved or not until after the league is complete and I will stick to that. But that was not good today. Not good at all.

Hopefully it will open the eyes of some on here claiming there was definite improvement in the TC Cup last year and that it wasn't just because we were playing the country's rock bottom teams like Wexford and Waterford.

Early days in the league but more performances like that will suggest that any improvement last year was down to playing low quality opposition"
Poor performance overall to day. On to days performance no improvement was evident. Wonder what is happening at training sessions? A repeat of this performance should prompt serious questions .Early days yet,but much more expected against very mediocre opposition. No excuses acceptable !

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 27/01/2024 19:46:24    2522465

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Strange match in many ways as at 0-5 each in first half injury time we looked comfortable enough having played against a strong breeze.
Jack O'Connor had missed a sitter of a goal and then Michael Murphy hand passed the ball straight to a Fermanagh player, under no pressure, and they broke for the goal.
Decision making was very poor in the second half. We had four great goal chances during the game and got one point from them. Fermanagh got one half chance which we gifted them and buried the goal.
Ultan Kelm ran the show for Fermanagh, was their playmaker and involved in most of their scores and we just watched him all game long. No man marker, no change in plan, yet every man and his dog could see it.
A lot of the lads are playing Sigerson and have a huge load at the minute.
There were some positives but there is no doubt that the mood was very poor among supporters walking out of Navan.

Roger (Meath) - Posts: 478 - 27/01/2024 19:47:34    2522466

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Hard not to be a tad deflated after that. It is 1 point on the board and could be important later in the league so there's that.

Fermanagh are no mugs. They have limited resources and player pools but have always had good performances in them, today being no different. In saying that in 20+ years of watching Meath coming up against blanket defences... we are still somewhere between first base and second base. Just cant deal with them. One has to hope in 2/3 games time, the team will be clicking far more as they left scores behind today, including goals. Very hard to call this year's league."
Im mystified by how we are constantly clueless against blanket defences. Every time we come up against one it's like we've never seen one before.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 27/01/2024 20:08:34    2522474

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Disappointed with only a draw, yet in some ways happy we at least got a draw as it was a game that could have ended up either way, could certainly see the effects of Sigerson in some of the players, some silly errors were costly and didnt think the ref did anything for us either. If promotion is an aim I saw todays game as must win, having heard Cavan beat Kildare and Louth damn near got a result in Armagh I'm starting to think this could be a very topsy-turvy division, tomorrow's game with Donegal and Cork will be very interesting. Fermanagh came well organised and showed plenty of spirit and determination, many see them as cannon fodder given the players they have lost and they certainly seemed out to prove a point, a county we have never had anything too easy against and they deserve credit for their game today. The crucial period in this league are the middle fixtures of Louth, Kildare and Cavan, two of which are home, how we fare in those games will dictate a lot methinks

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3741 - 27/01/2024 20:09:38    2522475

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Replying To Roger:  "Strange match in many ways as at 0-5 each in first half injury time we looked comfortable enough having played against a strong breeze.
Jack O'Connor had missed a sitter of a goal and then Michael Murphy hand passed the ball straight to a Fermanagh player, under no pressure, and they broke for the goal.
Decision making was very poor in the second half. We had four great goal chances during the game and got one point from them. Fermanagh got one half chance which we gifted them and buried the goal.
Ultan Kelm ran the show for Fermanagh, was their playmaker and involved in most of their scores and we just watched him all game long. No man marker, no change in plan, yet every man and his dog could see it.
A lot of the lads are playing Sigerson and have a huge load at the minute.
There were some positives but there is no doubt that the mood was very poor among supporters walking out of Navan."
Had nobody on management seen Fermanagh play? There seemed no plan for their fly keeper (such as marking him when not in possession), no plan for their packed defence, little training in attacking situations when we've an overload (a mistake here once in a game acceptable not not 3 times) and no plan for Kelm. Also no free taker when Frayne went off. Jesus above can we just not even field a team until someone learns to consistently kick the ball over the bar off the ground. It's literally incomprehensible at this stage. Get Dean Rock in to train them if needs be. That's 2 management teams who've totally neglected this critical skill. Dardis nails that last free and maybe 2/3 more. That's 3/4 points left behind. I don't care if he stands beside the umpires smoking for the rest of the game, we need someone like him for frees and 45s.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 27/01/2024 20:21:26    2522478

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Replying To Roger:  "Strange match in many ways as at 0-5 each in first half injury time we looked comfortable enough having played against a strong breeze.
Jack O'Connor had missed a sitter of a goal and then Michael Murphy hand passed the ball straight to a Fermanagh player, under no pressure, and they broke for the goal.
Decision making was very poor in the second half. We had four great goal chances during the game and got one point from them. Fermanagh got one half chance which we gifted them and buried the goal.
Ultan Kelm ran the show for Fermanagh, was their playmaker and involved in most of their scores and we just watched him all game long. No man marker, no change in plan, yet every man and his dog could see it.
A lot of the lads are playing Sigerson and have a huge load at the minute.
There were some positives but there is no doubt that the mood was very poor among supporters walking out of Navan."
Ah will ye go way with the Sigerson nonsense. Jesus you'd swear we are the only County team that has lads playing Sigerson.

I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing COR moan about it. Just get on with it like the majority of other managers.

3 Glen players played the full game for Derry tonight 6 days after winning the club all ireland and had probably at least 2 days on the beer maybe 3 and still produced decent individual performances albeit tired towards the end.

It's excuse after excuse

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 991 - 27/01/2024 20:24:47    2522481

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'm not going to post tonight about that game. as I want to clear my head a bit first. And I may say things now that I wouldn't say in the morning. The only thing I will say is the review can't come quick enough"
We can't wait

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 27/01/2024 20:45:22    2522486

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Not starting Diarmuid Moriarty is absolutley criminal. If Andy mcentee made these strange selection decisions there would be outrage, also James Conlon on the panel over Cathal Finnegan. Totally bizarre to me.

Sheridan2010louth (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 27/01/2024 20:48:24    2522487

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Replying To Roger:  "Strange match in many ways as at 0-5 each in first half injury time we looked comfortable enough having played against a strong breeze.
Jack O'Connor had missed a sitter of a goal and then Michael Murphy hand passed the ball straight to a Fermanagh player, under no pressure, and they broke for the goal.
Decision making was very poor in the second half. We had four great goal chances during the game and got one point from them. Fermanagh got one half chance which we gifted them and buried the goal.
Ultan Kelm ran the show for Fermanagh, was their playmaker and involved in most of their scores and we just watched him all game long. No man marker, no change in plan, yet every man and his dog could see it.
A lot of the lads are playing Sigerson and have a huge load at the minute.
There were some positives but there is no doubt that the mood was very poor among supporters walking out of Navan."
Decision making and self inflicted errors cost us dearly. Sigerson games midweek not helping and we have 12/15 involved in college football next week, not an excuse just a fact. Fermanagh set up well and as per usual we found it difficult to break down, when we did wrong decisions seemed to be a default setting. Non of the injured lads due back anytime soon, so expect few changes next week. Results today indicate it could be a wide open league.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 27/01/2024 20:52:52    2522490

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Had nobody on management seen Fermanagh play? There seemed no plan for their fly keeper (such as marking him when not in possession), no plan for their packed defence, little training in attacking situations when we've an overload (a mistake here once in a game acceptable not not 3 times) and no plan for Kelm. Also no free taker when Frayne went off. Jesus above can we just not even field a team until someone learns to consistently kick the ball over the bar off the ground. It's literally incomprehensible at this stage. Get Dean Rock in to train them if needs be. That's 2 management teams who've totally neglected this critical skill. Dardis nails that last free and maybe 2/3 more. That's 3/4 points left behind. I don't care if he stands beside the umpires smoking for the rest of the game, we need someone like him for frees and 45s."
Exactly ! Its a critical skill that seems neglected for years. Not rocket science to ensure this need is attended to. Its poor management by Colm O Rourke. As a poster who welcomed his appointment ......he needs to wake up now on dealing with these basics. No excuses ..Sigerson cant be blamed for everything !

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 27/01/2024 21:24:22    2522503

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Replying To seadog54:  "Decision making and self inflicted errors cost us dearly. Sigerson games midweek not helping and we have 12/15 involved in college football next week, not an excuse just a fact. Fermanagh set up well and as per usual we found it difficult to break down, when we did wrong decisions seemed to be a default setting. Non of the injured lads due back anytime soon, so expect few changes next week. Results today indicate it could be a wide open league."
It is an excuse though, look at Monaghan tonight, they're two best players not playing and they go to the all ireland champions and get a result. You don't see Vinney Corey moaning about it, he just gets on with it and finds solutions. Whenever we loose O'Rourke has an excuse lined up, instead of just admitting that we weren't prepared for the blanket of defense and we had absolutely no game plan for their best player Ultan Kelm.

contributingtoamelee (Meath) - Posts: 54 - 27/01/2024 21:27:51    2522504

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Cavan destroy the second best team in Leinster while Meath scrap a draw against the second worst team in Ulster. As you were.

IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 306 - 27/01/2024 21:34:50    2522508

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