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Replying To Young_gael: "out of interest, what would you guys consider a successful run in the Tailteann Cup?
For me, I think a last 4 finish would be progress at the moment. Ideally win it - but if not then at least clear the group and win one knockout game." A few wins, some kind of a coherent style of play and evidence of some promising players coming through and performing at senior level. That would probably bring us to semi final stage.
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Replying To brian: "We're in the wrong competition…. But we won't beat teams in the wrong competition….
We have the players… but they're mismanaged
Honestly RD tells us all how we're going to get out of this… you've all the questions but never provide a reasonable or even substandard proposal or solution… and you laugh and ridicule those that do put forward some kind of solutions… you're just like the county board… if we say we're Meath long enough surely it'll just right itself… and then complain when it doesn't… and throw your arms in the air…
Agh we'll get in Eamonn Fitzmaurice…. That'll solve it…. No it won't for a myriad of reasons… 1) he along with many others aren't interested in the Meath job 2) he and plenty of others know Meath is a nothing county that's soft, doesn't fight and lack basic skills 3) the team has no leaders even amongst those you claim are the leaders.. bar Donal keoghan there's not one of our so called leaders I'd go to war for including those not there.. 4) the team lacks any kind of intelligence and has dating back years, can't handle pressure, can't make proper in game decisions, can't make changes in game when needed 5) team lacks the basic strength and conditioning required for the modern game for several years… why would any man with a young family want to travel 8-10 hours multiple times a week to oversee that…
You tell us the players aren't to blame and they're not buying what's being sold by management… but yet they all loved Andy… well I hate to burst your wee bubble the players weren't buying or selling what Andy sold in 21 and 22 either… so the root of it is the players.. they're the ones going out there and playing.. and losing matches and that's the plain truth… btw not a fact… that's my opinion… and opinions are not a fact… no matter how many time you tell yourself your opinions are facts… or are you Rafa Benitez
No manager of any standing would be interested in taking that over… look at the candidates for the role after Andy… Bernard Flynn was it… and then O'Rourke was suddenly appointed… there was no lineup of stellar lads with inter county experience looking to take it on. Malachy O'Rourke, Jim Gavin, Jimmy McGuinness, Banty, James Mccartan, Paul Clarke, Paul Curran, Davy Byrne, Davy Burke all out there and not interested or not considered good enough for Meath…
As soon as O'Rourke was appointed you were whinging… yet you didn't want Flynn either… so come on RD realistically who was going to the right appointment for you now the Fitzmaurice myth is burst…
Many on here know the path back is going to be long and hard walked, some realised it before the season and spoke about it … to be ridiculed by you… those of us who said we might be better suited to a TC this year are simply acknowledging now that we made a fair and reasoned assessment whilst you're still throwing your hands in the air… but best of luck to you
This is our reality now with Meath, we're not a top 16 team in the country and need to work on rebuilding things from here, that starts in Pairc Tailteann v Tipperary next weekend" Happy you got that off ur chest. ?? Enjoy the games Brian. You seem stressed. It's summertime. Relax .
I'm going to look for a few players that can be good under the next management. Winning it doesn't matter to me the only thing that would do is guarantee is Sam comp next year. But we all know Colm won't win it as at this point in time he was the worst manager of 23, including the two that have been fired.
So for me it's all about next year. Under O'Bric I'd say. But even yourself would be better than what's there.
So I'll be looking at who might be included next year when this is over. If any player reads this best thing they can do is listen to what Colm tells them and then go out and ignore everything he said.
All the best Brian. enjoy the few trips around the country and look forward to 24, and sure we could meet for a lucozade at one of the venues as I doubt that very many from Meath will travel apart from us diehards.
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Replying To Young_gael: "out of interest, what would you guys consider a successful run in the Tailteann Cup?
For me, I think a last 4 finish would be progress at the moment. Ideally win it - but if not then at least clear the group and win one knockout game." A few wins would be a nice start but if we take seriously then yeah last 4 at least for me.I think now we are in it we should be aiming to win it.Does he put the same team out or will a few under 20s come in?I think he will more or less stick with the same lads and say to them prove yourselves, or does he bring in alot of under 20s and lads off the development panel and give them a chance.It will be interesting to see the team.
Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 07/05/2023 16:34:37
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Replying To Young_gael: "out of interest, what would you guys consider a successful run in the Tailteann Cup?
For me, I think a last 4 finish would be progress at the moment. Ideally win it - but if not then at least clear the group and win one knockout game." Nice to make the final, however, for me success would be some of the younger lads stepping up and showing they are the future. Getting some of the development squad and a few u20s some game time. Not thrown in at deep end more of an introduction to senior football. Evidence of a game plan that suits the players available. Something to give us hope for the years ahead.
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I think it is sad that perhaps through frustration at this early stage of development frustration degenerates to destructive posting. I accept this forum is all about opinions .Since Colm O Rourke was appointed it seems posts clearly showing strong bias and Anti Colm agenda have made it to print publish stage. This seems a consistant pattern.One recent post in particular could be deemed to be destructive to efforts in development of standards where. players were advised to ignore the managers advise. How that person can claim to be a Meath "supporter" beats me. We are all frustrated maybe ,and hope for better times
Perhaps modulators of the forum might review posts over the last months to gain specifics and consider adjustment . I accept that current policy does not allow personal critisism and rightly so. Perhaps where efforts to improve standards by anyone such as a manager are dealt with in a destructive manner should not be published either. Even one destructive post is one too many and not acceptable under any circumstances.
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Replying To nobull456: "I think it is sad that perhaps through frustration at this early stage of development frustration degenerates to destructive posting. I accept this forum is all about opinions .Since Colm O Rourke was appointed it seems posts clearly showing strong bias and Anti Colm agenda have made it to print publish stage. This seems a consistant pattern.One recent post in particular could be deemed to be destructive to efforts in development of standards where. players were advised to ignore the managers advise. How that person can claim to be a Meath "supporter" beats me. We are all frustrated maybe ,and hope for better times
Perhaps modulators of the forum might review posts over the last months to gain specifics and consider adjustment . I accept that current policy does not allow personal critisism and rightly so. Perhaps where efforts to improve standards by anyone such as a manager are dealt with in a destructive manner should not be published either. Even one destructive post is one too many and not acceptable under any circumstances." Haha. Says the guy who posted nothing only destruction and trolling of previous managers. I give up. And yeah the best thing for the players to do is totally IGNORE anything this current set up says. For their own good and the good of Meath football
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Replying To royaldunne: "Haha. Says the guy who posted nothing only destruction and trolling of previous managers. I give up. And yeah the best thing for the players to do is totally IGNORE anything this current set up says. For their own good and the good of Meath football" Hang up your hat ! As you do not support Meath now. Just support Antrim ! No further comment from this poster as i will be passing on any of your posts that get published anyway! Over and out !
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Replying To nobull456: "Hang up your hat ! As you do not support Meath now. Just support Antrim ! No further comment from this poster as i will be passing on any of your posts that get published anyway! Over and out !" In a way its our own fault for having any interaction with him, we only give oxygen to his spiteful rants. There is no way this poster is a supporter of Meath football, just one of the bluffers most teams have. No idea about the game, we must remember he thought Eamon Murrey was the man for the job, despite the man having little interest in the mens game. Large majority of his posts are fairytales at best, and often out and out lies. Hopefully none of the management or players read the tripe he (could be a she) posts, as no one willing to give up their time to Meath football deserve this. So time to remove the oxygen and ignore the spite and fabrications.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2152 - 07/05/2023 23:43:28
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Replying To nobull456: "Hang up your hat ! As you do not support Meath now. Just support Antrim ! No further comment from this poster as i will be passing on any of your posts that get published anyway! Over and out !" Antrim ? Oh wow you have gotten desperate at this stage. I support Meath. Wholeheartedly. The players. Who have been let down by ur idol , who have been let down by the CB who put this situation on them. The players have my total support the management are the ones who need to go. For the good of Meath football. No harm to them I wish them well Colm can return to asking Dublin to be split in two on RTÉ. I wish him well in that. But before we end up in division 4 we need to get someone who actually knows what they are doing. And until then the players must manage themselves for their own sake and that of Meath football going forward.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/05/2023 07:24:45
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Replying To royaldunne: "Yeah I did that with u. And it's much more enjoyable. I prefer to converse with those who know what they talking about." And yet you just responded to him… says more about you
All those voices in your head don't count btw…. Conversing with one's self is a dangerous thing RD… signs of madness and all that… watch out you don't answer yourself back
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Replying To seadog54: "In a way its our own fault for having any interaction with him, we only give oxygen to his spiteful rants. There is no way this poster is a supporter of Meath football, just one of the bluffers most teams have. No idea about the game, we must remember he thought Eamon Murrey was the man for the job, despite the man having little interest in the mens game. Large majority of his posts are fairytales at best, and often out and out lies. Hopefully none of the management or players read the tripe he (could be a she) posts, as no one willing to give up their time to Meath football deserve this. So time to remove the oxygen and ignore the spite and fabrications." Yes agreed........ chapter completed ......fresh page !
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 08/05/2023 09:58:39
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Replying To brian: "We're in the wrong competition…. But we won't beat teams in the wrong competition….
We have the players… but they're mismanaged
Honestly RD tells us all how we're going to get out of this… you've all the questions but never provide a reasonable or even substandard proposal or solution… and you laugh and ridicule those that do put forward some kind of solutions… you're just like the county board… if we say we're Meath long enough surely it'll just right itself… and then complain when it doesn't… and throw your arms in the air…
Agh we'll get in Eamonn Fitzmaurice…. That'll solve it…. No it won't for a myriad of reasons… 1) he along with many others aren't interested in the Meath job 2) he and plenty of others know Meath is a nothing county that's soft, doesn't fight and lack basic skills 3) the team has no leaders even amongst those you claim are the leaders.. bar Donal keoghan there's not one of our so called leaders I'd go to war for including those not there.. 4) the team lacks any kind of intelligence and has dating back years, can't handle pressure, can't make proper in game decisions, can't make changes in game when needed 5) team lacks the basic strength and conditioning required for the modern game for several years… why would any man with a young family want to travel 8-10 hours multiple times a week to oversee that…
You tell us the players aren't to blame and they're not buying what's being sold by management… but yet they all loved Andy… well I hate to burst your wee bubble the players weren't buying or selling what Andy sold in 21 and 22 either… so the root of it is the players.. they're the ones going out there and playing.. and losing matches and that's the plain truth… btw not a fact… that's my opinion… and opinions are not a fact… no matter how many time you tell yourself your opinions are facts… or are you Rafa Benitez
No manager of any standing would be interested in taking that over… look at the candidates for the role after Andy… Bernard Flynn was it… and then O'Rourke was suddenly appointed… there was no lineup of stellar lads with inter county experience looking to take it on. Malachy O'Rourke, Jim Gavin, Jimmy McGuinness, Banty, James Mccartan, Paul Clarke, Paul Curran, Davy Byrne, Davy Burke all out there and not interested or not considered good enough for Meath…
As soon as O'Rourke was appointed you were whinging… yet you didn't want Flynn either… so come on RD realistically who was going to the right appointment for you now the Fitzmaurice myth is burst…
Many on here know the path back is going to be long and hard walked, some realised it before the season and spoke about it … to be ridiculed by you… those of us who said we might be better suited to a TC this year are simply acknowledging now that we made a fair and reasoned assessment whilst you're still throwing your hands in the air… but best of luck to you
This is our reality now with Meath, we're not a top 16 team in the country and need to work on rebuilding things from here, that starts in Pairc Tailteann v Tipperary next weekend" While I do agree with some of what you said about players, how did the players not buy into Andy in 21? We nearly beat Dublin for the first time in 11 years, and were two points off reaching division 1 again. Not trying to attack you, but you constantly gave out about Andy, what has this management done to change things? You raise the point of managers not travelling to other counties, why is Mickey Harte managing louth? Because they embrace challenges, same with Rory Gallagher who took over a team in division 4.
It is no coincidence that nearly every pundit or coach be it on tv or podcasts have called O'Roruke out for being in over his head. We have absolutely no style of play, no defensive system, no attacking patterns all of which would have brought us to a Leinster final because louth and offaly don't have better players than we do. While I don't agree with a lot of what Royal Dunne says, I don't think it is crazy that he is questioning O'Rourke, why should he not be questioned? We lost to a team that hadn't reached a Leinster semi final since 2007. O'rourke also decided to get rid of Conor Mcgill, could you imagine the reaction if Andy decided to do that last year, he would have been absolutely destroyed.
To say we are not a top 16 team in the country is a bit unusual aswell, we have been in the top 16 in Ireland (division 2) for the last 7 years one year being in the top 8, so I am not really sure how you came to that conclusion. Look at the effect Conor laverty has had in down, Davy Burke in Roscommon, mconville in Wicklow, they have all improved things and the vibes are positive in the county, our honeymoon period last one game.
Why is it better that we are in the tailteann cup? Playing games against better opposition is the only way people get better, if anything were to go wrong in the tailteann cup such as not getting out of our group, imagine how much of a laughing stock we would be then. The longer meath are in the tailteann cup, the worse football will be in the county
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We should be expecting to beat Tipp and Waterford, enough to get out of the group but I'm not confident of us getting past the Q/F stage. I don't see us beating Down, as I expect them to go far in the competition!
It is hard to be motivated to attend this "Premier Championship" competition, so unless they get to the semi or final, my attendenace will be limited. I see this as a type of protest to CB of my disgust and that it is not acceptable to be in this competition. Let the team go off and get some younger lads blooded, for a hopeful improvement next year!
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Replying To brian: "And yet you just responded to him… says more about you
All those voices in your head don't count btw…. Conversing with one's self is a dangerous thing RD… signs of madness and all that… watch out you don't answer yourself back" Now Brian unlike you with all those different accounts. I have the same one for 23 years. Don't project
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Replying To contributingtoamelee: "While I do agree with some of what you said about players, how did the players not buy into Andy in 21? We nearly beat Dublin for the first time in 11 years, and were two points off reaching division 1 again. Not trying to attack you, but you constantly gave out about Andy, what has this management done to change things? You raise the point of managers not travelling to other counties, why is Mickey Harte managing louth? Because they embrace challenges, same with Rory Gallagher who took over a team in division 4.
It is no coincidence that nearly every pundit or coach be it on tv or podcasts have called O'Roruke out for being in over his head. We have absolutely no style of play, no defensive system, no attacking patterns all of which would have brought us to a Leinster final because louth and offaly don't have better players than we do. While I don't agree with a lot of what Royal Dunne says, I don't think it is crazy that he is questioning O'Rourke, why should he not be questioned? We lost to a team that hadn't reached a Leinster semi final since 2007. O'rourke also decided to get rid of Conor Mcgill, could you imagine the reaction if Andy decided to do that last year, he would have been absolutely destroyed.
To say we are not a top 16 team in the country is a bit unusual aswell, we have been in the top 16 in Ireland (division 2) for the last 7 years one year being in the top 8, so I am not really sure how you came to that conclusion. Look at the effect Conor laverty has had in down, Davy Burke in Roscommon, mconville in Wicklow, they have all improved things and the vibes are positive in the county, our honeymoon period last one game.
Why is it better that we are in the tailteann cup? Playing games against better opposition is the only way people get better, if anything were to go wrong in the tailteann cup such as not getting out of our group, imagine how much of a laughing stock we would be then. The longer meath are in the tailteann cup, the worse football will be in the county" Dublin game was over by half time, for whatever reason we raised our game in second half for about 20 minutes, then ran out of steam. Was it down to Dublin taking their foot off the gas, was it what was said in dressing room or did players take matters into their own hands and go out and give it a lash? Your guess is as good as mine. Both MH and RG have been given time to get things right. Derry have top class players all over the team and Louth have some very good forwards who can kick points from distance. Both teams seem to have plenty of on field leaders something we lack. Not sure what pundits have said Colm is in over his head, some have questioned our style of play which is fair enough. As for McGill, why is the odd one out? If treated so badly I imagine his clubmates would have stood by him. Door is open, as seen by return of James Mac. We have been flirting around the edges for years, scraping enough points to remain in Div Two so its difficult to know where we stood, somewhere between 12th on a good day to 18th on a bad day, this day has been coming and little surprise to anyone. As for playing against better teams and that the way to make us better, it did not work in the past, super 8s and league one seemed to have oppisite effect. This year TC is where we belong ( look at Clare yesterday) and hopefully lessons learned will stand to us going forward. Dont worry about Meath been a laughing stock, truth is no one gives us a second thought. The penny has dropped, we are a county in serious trouble and I have no intrest in returning to misery of last number of years, a team just about hanging on. Change is going to take time and for me current management is just a starting point. Not ideal they are learning on the job and plenty of mistakes have been made and additions to backroom team will be needed in off season. They had little to work with from start and its now about building a panel that can compete, Too early to make judgements, we have a chance to get things right and put us on road back. No surprise some want instant success but another sticking plaster is the last thing Meath football needs.
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Replying To Tweety: "We should be expecting to beat Tipp and Waterford, enough to get out of the group but I'm not confident of us getting past the Q/F stage. I don't see us beating Down, as I expect them to go far in the competition!
It is hard to be motivated to attend this "Premier Championship" competition, so unless they get to the semi or final, my attendenace will be limited. I see this as a type of protest to CB of my disgust and that it is not acceptable to be in this competition. Let the team go off and get some younger lads blooded, for a hopeful improvement next year!" Times like this the team needs supporters to get behind them. Strange protest, willing to put your disgust to one side if we make semi or final. Not acceptable to be in TC is the attitude that has us where we are. Years thinking we are bettet than all evidence suggests. Thats what year has been about, the blooding of new players with the focus on the future.
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Replying To seadog54: "Dublin game was over by half time, for whatever reason we raised our game in second half for about 20 minutes, then ran out of steam. Was it down to Dublin taking their foot off the gas, was it what was said in dressing room or did players take matters into their own hands and go out and give it a lash? Your guess is as good as mine. Both MH and RG have been given time to get things right. Derry have top class players all over the team and Louth have some very good forwards who can kick points from distance. Both teams seem to have plenty of on field leaders something we lack. Not sure what pundits have said Colm is in over his head, some have questioned our style of play which is fair enough. As for McGill, why is the odd one out? If treated so badly I imagine his clubmates would have stood by him. Door is open, as seen by return of James Mac. We have been flirting around the edges for years, scraping enough points to remain in Div Two so its difficult to know where we stood, somewhere between 12th on a good day to 18th on a bad day, this day has been coming and little surprise to anyone. As for playing against better teams and that the way to make us better, it did not work in the past, super 8s and league one seemed to have oppisite effect. This year TC is where we belong ( look at Clare yesterday) and hopefully lessons learned will stand to us going forward. Dont worry about Meath been a laughing stock, truth is no one gives us a second thought. The penny has dropped, we are a county in serious trouble and I have no intrest in returning to misery of last number of years, a team just about hanging on. Change is going to take time and for me current management is just a starting point. Not ideal they are learning on the job and plenty of mistakes have been made and additions to backroom team will be needed in off season. They had little to work with from start and its now about building a panel that can compete, Too early to make judgements, we have a chance to get things right and put us on road back. No surprise some want instant success but another sticking plaster is the last thing Meath football needs." Bang on. Accurate post and a sou d reflection of where we are, and are going.
We are probably bottoming out at the minute, and the rebuild then starts.
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It is no coincidence that nearly every pundit or coach be it on tv or podcasts have called O'Roruke out for being in over his head. We have absolutely no style of play, no defensive system, no attacking patterns all of which would have brought us to a Leinster final because louth and offaly don't have better players than we do. While I don't agree with a lot of what Royal Dunne says, I don't think it is crazy that he is questioning O'Rourke, why should he not be questioned? We lost to a team that hadn't reached a Leinster semi final since 2007. O'rourke also decided to get rid of Conor Mcgill, could you imagine the reaction if Andy decided to do that last year, he would have been absolutely destroyed.
To say we are not a top 16 team in the country is a bit unusual aswell, we have been in the top 16 in Ireland (division 2) for the last 7 years one year being in the top 8, so I am not really sure how you came to that conclusion. Look at the effect Conor laverty has had in down, Davy Burke in Roscommon, mconville in Wicklow, they have all improved things and the vibes are positive in the county, our honeymoon period last one game.
Why is it better that we are in the tailteann cup? Playing games against better opposition is the only way people get better, if anything were to go wrong in the tailteann cup such as not getting out of our group, imagine how much of a laughing stock we would be then. The longer meath are in the tailteann cup, the worse football will be in the county" Absolutely agree
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We are probably bottoming out at the minute, and the rebuild then starts." Out of interest who do you think would be best to lead the rebuilding?
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Replying To royaldunne: "Out of interest who do you think would be best to lead the rebuilding?" Current manager for me...
Some may not agree but I think it's madness to change ot before hrs gotten a real **** at rebuilding it. That can only start next year really.
We are where we've been for a few years now, I think we have to accept it for what it is and build from a smaller base. Colm is a smart man and a good manager, he's proven this already.
I think leave ot as it is to build it back up.
I would however make a couple of additions to the back room. I think a change of coach, a Stephen Rochford/cian O'Neill type of addition would help.
Garrigan has done great work wherever he's been, but it donest seem to have clicked here. Yet anyways.
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6345 - 08/05/2023 15:52:13
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