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Replying To brian: "Leitrim, with respect we finished 4th in division 2, that's 12th best team at best, we drew with (and were lucky to get draws in both games) with both relegated teams who both lost in the first round of the championship (one to Monaghan and the other to Wexford admittedly)
Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." Brian normally I'd be able to see your point of view even though it generally is different from mine but jesus this now seems like you're just picking holes for the sake of being negative. In the same sentence you've said we finished 12th at best over all and that previous years are only history yet this is a results based business and can only be judged on our results.......which leave us 12th best in the country.
As for one isolated incident of McEntee 'berating' the official, I'd say if you watched every county manager for a full game theres a chance they will have a pop at an official at least once in a game for a bad decision, he wasn't in any way an embarrassment or anything of the like against Wicklow.
Nextly, and you're not the first to mention this about retirements but Keoghan (31 I think), Menton (30/31) McGill (29) O Sullivan (28/29) are hardly finished and washed up players as Menton and Keoghan have shown as our best players so far this year and McGill definitely after adding stability back to the Full Back line, unless there has been some massive change in their personal lives I can't see why any of them would walk away after committing for this long.........Unless of course it is to get away from the constant negativity and abuse from so called fans!!
As for the rest of the squad not setting the world alight, as joeshow point out a lot of those lads are only starting out at Senior Intercounty and are definitely showing good potential but writing them off when most are not even 22 years of age is just embarrassing, I could be wrong but I think Keoghan was only 21/22 when he got into the Senior panel and he's shown that there can be massive strides taken in a short space of time
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Replying To brian: "Leitrim, with respect we finished 4th in division 2, that's 12th best team at best, we drew with (and were lucky to get draws in both games) with both relegated teams who both lost in the first round of the championship (one to Monaghan and the other to Wexford admittedly)
Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." Have to agree with much of your post, Meath are just getting by with little or no signs of progress, players who have come in over last few years and at first added a bit of much needed energy to panel have not progressed and in some cases gone backwards, its the remit of coaches to bring them on and this has not happened, hopefully over next few years we see the best of them. Will the older lads stay on? may depend on who comes in, they will be badly needed as a big job awaits next managment setup.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "That it's absolute nonsense Dublin "look back to their best" after beating Wexford. It will also be nonsense when they beat us and we won't know where they are until they play a top team. Dublin haven't performed in championship last year and worse again in the league and were relegated. To suggest beating wexford signalled back to their best is a joke.
Dublin at 40% would hammer this Meath team but Jesus some do go way over the top on here." That's your opinion, fortunately we live in a democracy and I'm also entitled to my opinion.
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: " Replying To brian: "Leitrim, with respect we finished 4th in division 2, that's 12th best team at best, we drew with (and were lucky to get draws in both games) with both relegated teams who both lost in the first round of the championship (one to Monaghan and the other to Wexford admittedly)
Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." You somehow seem to be arguing that Andy is terrible and also things would get much worse if he left. If you think McGill and O'Sullivan (aged somewhere between 27-29) would leave the panel because of a new manager then surely that means you think they believe in Andy? And yeah we shouldn't be celebrating beating the teams we're meant to but from 2015-18 we weren't doing that. That was my point not that it should be celebrated"
I'm saying things would get much worse if those 3-4 were to depart, thats not an indictment of a new manager or a commendation of Andy, i'm simpy stating my opinion if that were to happen. The lads like Walsh, Morris, Costello, harkin, hickey who have been there 3-4 seasons now aren't stepping up to the plate and grabbing this team by the neck to take it on from that core of 4 players, the lads like O'reilly, james mcentee, aren't lighting it up and in six years under Andy haven't developed beyond what they were at the start.
For me the fact our 3 or 4 best players are consistently or oldest players and the younger lads don't seme to be grabbing the team by the horns is what concerns me and leads me to think a slide might happen.
Now who know's who the next man in might be and what they could do with the team, but i think there's valid concerns. Maybe i'm being glass half empty on things but nothing in the past 3 years has shown me reason to have huge optimism that things are going to turn around.
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Replying To ratlag: " Replying To brian: "Leitrim, with respect we finished 4th in division 2, that's 12th best team at best, we drew with (and were lucky to get draws in both games) with both relegated teams who both lost in the first round of the championship (one to Monaghan and the other to Wexford admittedly)
Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." Brian normally I'd be able to see your point of view even though it generally is different from mine but jesus this now seems like you're just picking holes for the sake of being negative. In the same sentence you've said we finished 12th at best over all and that previous years are only history yet this is a results based business and can only be judged on our results.......which leave us 12th best in the country. As for one isolated incident of McEntee 'berating' the official, I'd say if you watched every county manager for a full game theres a chance they will have a pop at an official at least once in a game for a bad decision, he wasn't in any way an embarrassment or anything of the like against Wicklow. Nextly, and you're not the first to mention this about retirements but Keoghan (31 I think), Menton (30/31) McGill (29) O Sullivan (28/29) are hardly finished and washed up players as Menton and Keoghan have shown as our best players so far this year and McGill definitely after adding stability back to the Full Back line, unless there has been some massive change in their personal lives I can't see why any of them would walk away after committing for this long.........Unless of course it is to get away from the constant negativity and abuse from so called fans!! As for the rest of the squad not setting the world alight, as joeshow point out a lot of those lads are only starting out at Senior Intercounty and are definitely showing good potential but writing them off when most are not even 22 years of age is just embarrassing, I could be wrong but I think Keoghan was only 21/22 when he got into the Senior panel and he's shown that there can be massive strides taken in a short space of time"
Look hopefully i'm proven totally wrong in all of this, the 4 lads do commit next season, the younger lads do grab the team and drag it forward and there's an uplift with a new manager
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Replying To brian: " Replying To ratlag: "[quote=brian: "Leitrim, with respect we finished 4th in division 2, that's 12th best team at best, we drew with (and were lucky to get draws in both games) with both relegated teams who both lost in the first round of the championship (one to Monaghan and the other to Wexford admittedly)
Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." Brian normally I'd be able to see your point of view even though it generally is different from mine but jesus this now seems like you're just picking holes for the sake of being negative. In the same sentence you've said we finished 12th at best over all and that previous years are only history yet this is a results based business and can only be judged on our results.......which leave us 12th best in the country. As for one isolated incident of McEntee 'berating' the official, I'd say if you watched every county manager for a full game theres a chance they will have a pop at an official at least once in a game for a bad decision, he wasn't in any way an embarrassment or anything of the like against Wicklow. Nextly, and you're not the first to mention this about retirements but Keoghan (31 I think), Menton (30/31) McGill (29) O Sullivan (28/29) are hardly finished and washed up players as Menton and Keoghan have shown as our best players so far this year and McGill definitely after adding stability back to the Full Back line, unless there has been some massive change in their personal lives I can't see why any of them would walk away after committing for this long.........Unless of course it is to get away from the constant negativity and abuse from so called fans!! As for the rest of the squad not setting the world alight, as joeshow point out a lot of those lads are only starting out at Senior Intercounty and are definitely showing good potential but writing them off when most are not even 22 years of age is just embarrassing, I could be wrong but I think Keoghan was only 21/22 when he got into the Senior panel and he's shown that there can be massive strides taken in a short space of time"
Look hopefully i'm proven totally wrong in all of this, the 4 lads do commit next season, the younger lads do grab the team and drag it forward and there's an uplift with a new manager"]Why are you so sure there will be a new manager next season? Who is out there that is good enough/better than our current set up? Certainly nobody from the previous U20 or minor managements over the last few years are good enough. The only viable candidate if the vacancy arises is Robbie Brennan from Kilmacud Crokes/Dunboyne. If Meath make progress in this years championship, Andy McEntee won't be going anywhere, and he would be well entitled to remain in the job. An incompetent county board allowed that situation to unfold pre Christmas, where a few individuals took it upon themselves to try and oust the management team without any plan in mind as to who would take over.
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 04/05/2022 15:07:23
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Joe i respect your opinion that Andy might be there next year but honestly for everyone concerned it's time to end this chapter.
Why i think he won't be there 1) His contract is up after the season 2) the county board executive voted to remove him last November 3) after 6 years this team is no better than when he took over. I applaud him for what he did in 2019, but since then things have gone backwards at an alarming rate and he doesn't deserve a new contract.
You say if Andy makes progress he deserves more time, can i ask you how we'd measure the success you anticipate. Lose to Dublin (which will happen) and then maybe get a lucky qualifier draw will only paper over the cracks.
Whether there's a better candidate or not out there's is irrelevant. He's had 6 years, in the last 3 we've been nowhere close to any measure of success. 2020 relegated without winning a game, 2021 not promoted 2022 never even in the promotion race. Don't think it's fair to measure 20 and 21 on championship with no back door and be ousting by Dublin both times
I totally agree with your point the county board half assed trying to oust him in November, and yet there was a good chunk of clubs which voted in favour of his removal with no candidate to replace him. And talk of so many hurling clubs voted to remove him doesn't make any odds. They all have a vote and a valid vote too.
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Previous years are just that, history. We're based in a results based business. If we can't beat the teams we should be beating then we should be giving up but I'm not going to get overly excited by beating the teams we should. Flip it the other way, when have we last beaten a team of a similar standard to us. Kildare in 2020 and no other team under Andy in a championship match. That's as honest as we need to be.
I watched McEntee berate joe mcquillan for a solid thirty seconds in the second half up passed the stand at the hospital end. So I'm not making things up.
For me as some others have also said this is the last chance for some. Keoghan, Menton, McGill and O'Sullivan could all walk away after this season and not want to commit to a new management. The rest of the squad have barely set the world alight and you'd hardly say you could build for the future and x,y or z will be the leader of the team. Without those 3/4 players honestly we're in a far worse position than many can imagine. Look how we started the league without Menton and McGill, a rabble.
I respect your opinion that things are not as bad as i see it, but factoring in the above i can see troubled waters ahead and a slide to division 3 very easily." You somehow seem to be arguing that Andy is terrible and also things would get much worse if he left. If you think McGill and O'Sullivan (aged somewhere between 27-29) would leave the panel because of a new manager then surely that means you think they believe in Andy? And yeah we shouldn't be celebrating beating the teams we're meant to but from 2015-18 we weren't doing that. That was my point not that it should be celebrated"
I'm saying things would get much worse if those 3-4 were to depart, thats not an indictment of a new manager or a commendation of Andy, i'm simpy stating my opinion if that were to happen. The lads like Walsh, Morris, Costello, harkin, hickey who have been there 3-4 seasons now aren't stepping up to the plate and grabbing this team by the neck to take it on from that core of 4 players, the lads like O'reilly, james mcentee, aren't lighting it up and in six years under Andy haven't developed beyond what they were at the start.
For me the fact our 3 or 4 best players are consistently or oldest players and the younger lads don't seme to be grabbing the team by the horns is what concerns me and leads me to think a slide might happen.
Now who know's who the next man in might be and what they could do with the team, but i think there's valid concerns. Maybe i'm being glass half empty on things but nothing in the past 3 years has shown me reason to have huge optimism that things are going to turn around."]3-4 years ago Walsh, Morris, Harkin, Costello, hickey all played minor for Meath. They were minor in 2018 and 2019. These are lads who are 21 or younger so to expect them to "step up to the plate" is just plain unfair Brian. Costello and hickey were eligible for u20 last year. We won't be going anywhere as a county ever if we start picking on young lads only stepping into senior. They have been fast tracked to the senior side as we haven't the talent there at the moment but to single lads out that young who have performed well despite their inexperience is probably as good a reason as Andy's struggles why Meath football is toxic.
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Replying To brian: "Joe i respect your opinion that Andy might be there next year but honestly for everyone concerned it's time to end this chapter.
Why i think he won't be there 1) His contract is up after the season 2) the county board executive voted to remove him last November 3) after 6 years this team is no better than when he took over. I applaud him for what he did in 2019, but since then things have gone backwards at an alarming rate and he doesn't deserve a new contract.
You say if Andy makes progress he deserves more time, can i ask you how we'd measure the success you anticipate. Lose to Dublin (which will happen) and then maybe get a lucky qualifier draw will only paper over the cracks.
Whether there's a better candidate or not out there's is irrelevant. He's had 6 years, in the last 3 we've been nowhere close to any measure of success. 2020 relegated without winning a game, 2021 not promoted 2022 never even in the promotion race. Don't think it's fair to measure 20 and 21 on championship with no back door and be ousting by Dublin both times
I totally agree with your point the county board half assed trying to oust him in November, and yet there was a good chunk of clubs which voted in favour of his removal with no candidate to replace him. And talk of so many hurling clubs voted to remove him doesn't make any odds. They all have a vote and a valid vote too." Brian can I ask a hypothetical question. What if we do beat Dublin? And say go on and win Leinster. Do we do a Eamonn O'Brien on it again? (One of the worst things we ever did ) Or would we say look here's another 2 years. Let me be clear I think Andy would need a hell lot of convincing, as for players leaving? I know only one who needed convincing to stay this year (as it happened the cb debacle made up his mind) but for reasons beyond football this is his last year unless someone can change his mind.
Anyway Just wondering if we were to beat Dublin and say Kildare should we offer Andy another term ?
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Only way Andy stays is by winning Leinster or making an All Ireland Semi final.
We have to kick on a gear, all the talk of beating a top team, Derry done it last weekend, Kildare a couple of times in the league both of these would be in a similar bracket to ourselves at the start of the league and they have kicked on with good results.
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "Only way Andy stays is by winning Leinster or making an All Ireland Semi final.
We have to kick on a gear, all the talk of beating a top team, Derry done it last weekend, Kildare a couple of times in the league both of these would be in a similar bracket to ourselves at the start of the league and they have kicked on with good results." I'd agree with that.
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Anyway Just wondering if we were to beat Dublin and say Kildare should we offer Andy another term ?" Great question, & Im sure a lot on here would struggle to answer it.
I actually think a few people are at a stage where they will see meath lose in spite of themselves to see Andy gone. Which is bizzare
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I actually think a few people are at a stage where they will see meath lose in spite of themselves to see Andy gone. Which is bizzare" Think your way off the mark, will not belive there are any posters who wish to see Meath fail just to get rid of manager. Fully understand supporters loosing faith in a setup that should have been removed after super 8s, Div 1 and hammerings from Dublin. The day I go to see the county I have supported for 50 years in the hope they are beaten will be a cold day in hell. It may sit well with thoes who expect us to belive there is no one else within or outside county who could do a better job than A Mac. and continue to list the well worn excuses why the failings ( of which they are many) are not his fault. Back to original question, what if we do this or that, there is not a shread of evidence to suggest anything other than another below par season.
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Replying To Jinxie: "Great question, & Im sure a lot on here would struggle to answer it.
I actually think a few people are at a stage where they will see meath lose in spite of themselves to see Andy gone. Which is bizzare" Thats a massive IF ! However,The answer may not be as straightforward. As one who firmly believes Andy and his coaches have done their best with with this panel, players need and deserve much better management from here forward.Facts are facts and there for all to see . BUT( and its a big but). what steps have been taken by the top table to remedy the decline in standards of team preparation in the last 3 years ? Have they given sufficient consideration to the role of manager and all that it entails ? Have any people being itentified as potentially suitable for the role ,and accepting that the person will need an ATTITUDE that accepts there will be a learning curve and development for all concerned .etc. ??? Have the top table suitably equipped people to discuss rather than interview all matters with a potential candidate?. Maybe they might use the 3 wise men mentioned years ago for this job!!!! Rumour had it then that the 3 were men of well proven thack records in county at top level
In a nutshell the top table have to embark on what can only be described as a RECOVERY mission for Meath football at this stage...If they have not begun that thought process at least ,or are unwilling or incapable of undertaking this exercise then forget it ! You have to know what the role is ,and who might be capable firstly. Secondly .Who might be willing AND ABLE to take the job ? So maybe because there are no altervatives ,Andy stays IF he wanted to. ! That could be the answer.! Im not sure players would be trated fairly in that case.
They are vitally important in all of this anyway. That why i fully expect our players to give it everything in this match,and show that in spite of everything they demonstate how much wearing the jersey means to them.
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Replying To seadog54: "Think your way off the mark, will not belive there are any posters who wish to see Meath fail just to get rid of manager. Fully understand supporters loosing faith in a setup that should have been removed after super 8s, Div 1 and hammerings from Dublin. The day I go to see the county I have supported for 50 years in the hope they are beaten will be a cold day in hell. It may sit well with thoes who expect us to belive there is no one else within or outside county who could do a better job than A Mac. and continue to list the well worn excuses why the failings ( of which they are many) are not his fault. Back to original question, what if we do this or that, there is not a shread of evidence to suggest anything other than another below par season." HERE HERE Well said !!
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Replying To nobull456: "Thats a massive IF ! However,The answer may not be as straightforward. As one who firmly believes Andy and his coaches have done their best with with this panel, players need and deserve much better management from here forward.Facts are facts and there for all to see . BUT( and its a big but). what steps have been taken by the top table to remedy the decline in standards of team preparation in the last 3 years ? Have they given sufficient consideration to the role of manager and all that it entails ? Have any people being itentified as potentially suitable for the role ,and accepting that the person will need an ATTITUDE that accepts there will be a learning curve and development for all concerned .etc. ??? Have the top table suitably equipped people to discuss rather than interview all matters with a potential candidate?. Maybe they might use the 3 wise men mentioned years ago for this job!!!! Rumour had it then that the 3 were men of well proven thack records in county at top level
In a nutshell the top table have to embark on what can only be described as a RECOVERY mission for Meath football at this stage...If they have not begun that thought process at least ,or are unwilling or incapable of undertaking this exercise then forget it ! You have to know what the role is ,and who might be capable firstly. Secondly .Who might be willing AND ABLE to take the job ? So maybe because there are no altervatives ,Andy stays IF he wanted to. ! That could be the answer.! Im not sure players would be trated fairly in that case.
They are vitally important in all of this anyway. That why i fully expect our players to give it everything in this match,and show that in spite of everything they demonstate how much wearing the jersey means to them." guys, some passionate & honest debate going on here , and in no way am i being dismissive of it, by not commenting on it directly...But its also the reason i started the thread on Dublin...i think , we can go over all the issues .after the Next Game ....no matter what way you cut it....where Andy & this squad stand ...will be decided in Croke Park on Sunday week
There will be zero hiding places that we know for a certain fact.....If They (being Andy & the Squad)..don't pull together & get every last ounce out of themselves ...We (and they) will be toon to sheds..
Now., i think...we look to see what we can do to avoid that for this game...afterwards all the ills, and fixing the ills....we probably can debate over a long summer .
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Replying To seadog54: "Think your way off the mark, will not belive there are any posters who wish to see Meath fail just to get rid of manager. Fully understand supporters loosing faith in a setup that should have been removed after super 8s, Div 1 and hammerings from Dublin. The day I go to see the county I have supported for 50 years in the hope they are beaten will be a cold day in hell. It may sit well with thoes who expect us to belive there is no one else within or outside county who could do a better job than A Mac. and continue to list the well worn excuses why the failings ( of which they are many) are not his fault. Back to original question, what if we do this or that, there is not a shread of evidence to suggest anything other than another below par season." There is no one else within the county.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 05/05/2022 16:42:22
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Replying To southmeathgael: "There is no one else within the county." No one that can select a panel and pick a matchday squad? What evidence is there that he does anything else? Little point in going over the issues that have dogged his term, by and large given a free ride by CB, clubs and local media. Simply not good enough.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 05/05/2022 17:39:23
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Replying To southmeathgael: "There is no one else within the county." Plenty of men in the county who could get us lower mid table in Div 2 and get hammered by Dublin every summer.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 05/05/2022 18:36:59
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Replying To seadog54: "Think your way off the mark, will not belive there are any posters who wish to see Meath fail just to get rid of manager. Fully understand supporters loosing faith in a setup that should have been removed after super 8s, Div 1 and hammerings from Dublin. The day I go to see the county I have supported for 50 years in the hope they are beaten will be a cold day in hell. It may sit well with thoes who expect us to belive there is no one else within or outside county who could do a better job than A Mac. and continue to list the well worn excuses why the failings ( of which they are many) are not his fault. Back to original question, what if we do this or that, there is not a shread of evidence to suggest anything other than another below par season." Are you a politician? I asked a straight question. Can you answer if Meath beat Dublin and win Leinster should he remain. Yes or no will do.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/05/2022 20:30:52
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