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Ger Robinson taking over clogherinkoe in kildare i believe and Shane Barrett going in with him as coach. I'm assuming that means we will definitely have a new u20 management team. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 09/12/2020 09:11:06 2320548 Link
when you look at how those who can not be named have handled Succession planning with Jim Gavin looking after the Dublin u21s in the noughties winning 3 , Dessie Farrell then took over in '12 when Gavin took over the Seniors, again Farrell followed Gavin to Senior Mngt in '19 when Gavin stepped down. We are consistent for all the wrong reasons Naming the u20 Manager last year in December, with Trials announced on the 12th Dec'19 to be held just before Christmas, here we are again , or are we in a worse position with nobody named yet? ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 09/12/2020 13:17:09 2320635 Link
Replying To ABD09: "when you look at how those who can not be named have handled Succession planning with Jim Gavin looking after the Dublin u21s in the noughties winning 3 , Dessie Farrell then took over in '12 when Gavin took over the Seniors, again Farrell followed Gavin to Senior Mngt in '19 when Gavin stepped down. We are consistent for all the wrong reasons Naming the u20 Manager last year in December, with Trials announced on the 12th Dec'19 to be held just before Christmas, here we are again , or are we in a worse position with nobody named yet?" Worse position than last year - which was a mess! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 09/12/2020 16:40:40 2320747 Link
Absolutely mind boggling that we are in the same situation again re management. Louth even have there U20 management in place. Dublin also have a U19 development squad that is constantly feeding into the U20's so to ensure players are not lost in between U17 (Minor) and U20. I know Dublin have the resources to fund these extra squads but we are going to continue chasing our tail until we have a player path way firmly in place from bottom to top. Dublin also have a squad in between u20 and Senior to cater for players of all ages who are in between both squads. I'm not saying these squads need to be training collectively 3 times a week (which they aren't) but it keeps them in the loop re S&C, nutrition and skill development so that when they are required to go into the U20 squad or senior squad they are ready to go. Clubs should look at taking the lead on these issues by putting proper coaching, s&c and nutrition in practices in place in their clubs as best they can instead of waiting for the county board to do it for the entire county. Meath is a big county after all. This is where the Dublin money issues really lie in my opinion. The horse has bolted on the Senior team and to be honest most top inter county squads have similar resources available to them as Dublin do (minus playing all their games in Croke Park!!). It's what is behind that is where there is an absolute monstrous gap! Administration, development squads and clubs. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 10/12/2020 13:21:37 2321031 Link
This whole business of appointing managers is far too cumbersome, like it takes ages, county board writes to clubs seeking nominations, clubs have to reply, management committee meets and makes a decision then clubs notified of the management committee's recommendation and the new manager is voted on by delegates from each club at a full county board meeting, God alone knows what happens if the manager is rejected by the delegates, I presume the whole process starts all over again. I said it before, Louth had Mickey Harte appointed in about two weeks, and Tyrone had Mickey's replacements appointed in the same timeframe. Root and branch of our procedures needed at County Board level I am afraid and the 5 year rule is not helping as it means that a really good official is on the scrap heap far too soon. While the principal might have merits in refreshing county boards it can also have a debilitating affect. This is why we need a full time Chief Executive Officer to manage our affairs. This appointment should by financed or at least part financed by Central Council to compensate ALL other county boards for neglecting them while Dublin, and good luck to them, were treated as a SPECIAL case. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 10/12/2020 14:19:58 2321046 Link
Replying To MillerX: "This whole business of appointing managers is far too cumbersome, like it takes ages, county board writes to clubs seeking nominations, clubs have to reply, management committee meets and makes a decision then clubs notified of the management committee's recommendation and the new manager is voted on by delegates from each club at a full county board meeting, God alone knows what happens if the manager is rejected by the delegates, I presume the whole process starts all over again. I said it before, Louth had Mickey Harte appointed in about two weeks, and Tyrone had Mickey's replacements appointed in the same timeframe. Root and branch of our procedures needed at County Board level I am afraid and the 5 year rule is not helping as it means that a really good official is on the scrap heap far too soon. While the principal might have merits in refreshing county boards it can also have a debilitating affect. This is why we need a full time Chief Executive Officer to manage our affairs. This appointment should by financed or at least part financed by Central Council to compensate ALL other county boards for neglecting them while Dublin, and good luck to them, were treated as a SPECIAL case." this is at the heart of us transitioning from good work at an individual level or with a particular squad to some sort of co ordinated approach with a Central point from which a Quality Master plan is administered . Totally agree, & crucially, this person must be of highest quality & thoroughly vetted so that they don't bring the typical political cute hoorism that has dominated our CB for 25 years. If we could get this appointment right, then with review , we can get real systems & structures that work for the 21st century. And forget about Dublin....as they are 10 years ahead of everyone else , but finally we can start aiming to be compared with the Donegals, Tyrones, Mayos etc Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 10/12/2020 18:18:23 2321124 Link
are others feeling huge frustration this morning that Sean Boylan is joining the Down u20 management team while we still haven't an u20 Management team in place? Our own 19/20 year olds would have got so much insights from having had the opportunity to learn from Sean , just feel its a massive Own Goal? ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 11/12/2020 09:43:57 2321262 Link
Replying To ABD09: "are others feeling huge frustration this morning that Sean Boylan is joining the Down u20 management team while we still haven't an u20 Management team in place? Our own 19/20 year olds would have got so much insights from having had the opportunity to learn from Sean , just feel its a massive Own Goal?" Fully agree. He was involved this year with Ger Robinson as an advisor and was on the line for some games and i have no doubt he would have been delighted to do the same for the new u20 management team. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 11/12/2020 09:46:40 2321264 Link
Replying To ABD09: "are others feeling huge frustration this morning that Sean Boylan is joining the Down u20 management team while we still haven't an u20 Management team in place? Our own 19/20 year olds would have got so much insights from having had the opportunity to learn from Sean , just feel its a massive Own Goal?" It seems totally bizarre that the man that led the county to 4 All Ireland's is now directly involved in the development of young players from another county! Of course Sean is getting on in age, and many would argue that he is out of touch with the modern game but I think he is an inspirational individual and the passion that he has for Meath is contagious. I have heard him speaking with young development squad panelists in the past and he would make the hair stand up on the back of your neck! I don't know, but perhaps Sean is being paid for his role in Down but I would have thought that some sort of ambassadorial role for him with the Meath development squads was the least that could be found for him! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 11/12/2020 10:11:50 2321277 Link
Replying To ASaminthehand: "It seems totally bizarre that the man that led the county to 4 All Ireland's is now directly involved in the development of young players from another county! Of course Sean is getting on in age, and many would argue that he is out of touch with the modern game but I think he is an inspirational individual and the passion that he has for Meath is contagious. I have heard him speaking with young development squad panelists in the past and he would make the hair stand up on the back of your neck! I don't know, but perhaps Sean is being paid for his role in Down but I would have thought that some sort of ambassadorial role for him with the Meath development squads was the least that could be found for him!" lads get real...and start calling a spade a spade...first off...there is NO way SB is taking any money form Anyone for this. Sean was with DCU over the last few years, and has made himself AVAILABLE to Anyone in Meath who would ask him. The reality is other than a few individuals like Robinson , Sean has not been utilised in any real way by us...and why...because of Yet again...personalities , egos and empire builders.....Guys who don't want to share the limelight with SB, they want things to be their success and their success alone....until we get rid of these *holes , we will be constantly scratching our heads as why these types of things happen Thelongwoodslasher (Meath)** - Posts: 385 - 11/12/2020 10:49:20 2321291 Link
Replying To ABD09: "are others feeling huge frustration this morning that Sean Boylan is joining the Down u20 management team while we still haven't an u20 Management team in place? Our own 19/20 year olds would have got so much insights from having had the opportunity to learn from Sean , just feel its a massive Own Goal?" Very frustrating and mind you Down were not breaking all records if they are only finalizing there U-20 management team now. But as I said in an earlier post it takes ages to appoint a team manager going by the laid down procedure. Although the exact procedure can be bypassed when the CB want to. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 11/12/2020 11:03:31 2321296 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Very frustrating and mind you Down were not breaking all records if they are only finalizing there U-20 management team now. But as I said in an earlier post it takes ages to appoint a team manager going by the laid down procedure. Although the exact procedure can be bypassed when the CB want to." The new u20 manager should be given a 2 year term IMO. That way when we either get knocked out of the championship or hopefully win it the manager can get started the on the following year a few weeks after. That way him and his team can get out to as many games as possible and see as many players as possible. Also the lads who would be under age again for the following year could be tipping away on their strength and conditioning programmes and the management can monitor them over the next 6 to 8 months so that they would be able to hit the ground running when team training starts back . Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 11/12/2020 11:24:22 2321304 Link
Is there any reason why Sean Boylan isn't the permanent Meath u20 manager? If it was up to me he'd be u20 manager and if he had the time and interest, academy director of football in Meath (in charge of appointing and reviewing all underage coaching setups). Who better to prepare young men not only for senior football, but for the journey of life into adulthood and beyond. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 11/12/2020 11:40:20 2321306 Link
Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "lads get real...and start calling a spade a spade...first off...there is NO way SB is taking any money form Anyone for this. Sean was with DCU over the last few years, and has made himself AVAILABLE to Anyone in Meath who would ask him. The reality is other than a few individuals like Robinson , Sean has not been utilised in any real way by us...and why...because of Yet again...personalities , egos and empire builders.....Guys who don't want to share the limelight with SB, they want things to be their success and their success alone....until we get rid of these *holes , we will be constantly scratching our heads as why these types of things happen" I suspect you are totally right about Sean not being paid! It isn't his way! I did say 'perhaps'! I have met him many times over the years and I always got the impression he wanted to do more than he was being asked to do! The points you have made above above are valid - and at the end of the day the reason why the County is being held back! ASaminthehand (Meath)** - Posts: 422 - 11/12/2020 11:48:08 2321308 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Is there any reason why Sean Boylan isn't the permanent Meath u20 manager? If it was up to me he'd be u20 manager and if he had the time and interest, academy director of football in Meath (in charge of appointing and reviewing all underage coaching setups). Who better to prepare young men not only for senior football, but for the journey of life into adulthood and beyond." again ...wrong "take" im afraid. Crinigan, and part of the nuances where we are going down blind alleyways based on a whim or a suggestion . So fist off , no way should Sean be permanent manager, he is nearly 80 and have you any idea what is involved in a mangers workload, let alone a County one. Sean should be seen like a Principle Consultant....you see them in professional Firms where maybe a founding Partner retires but is retained so that his/her experience is not lost. Call it what you like , But Sean , and there are others , should be seen in that role . First off it would reset a Tone, an Image , of who we are & what we stand for....call it a Brand...but we have lost it......and merely having Sean in a capacity where his council is available & sought would be a first step. Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 11/12/2020 12:06:14 2321316 Link
Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "again ...wrong "take" im afraid. Crinigan, and part of the nuances where we are going down blind alleyways based on a whim or a suggestion . So fist off , no way should Sean be permanent manager, he is nearly 80 and have you any idea what is involved in a mangers workload, let alone a County one. Sean should be seen like a Principle Consultant....you see them in professional Firms where maybe a founding Partner retires but is retained so that his/her experience is not lost. Call it what you like , But Sean , and there are others , should be seen in that role . First off it would reset a Tone, an Image , of who we are & what we stand for....call it a Brand...but we have lost it......and merely having Sean in a capacity where his council is available & sought would be a first step." Boylan is 70, turning 71 this week. Plenty of life in him. He's younger than Roy Hodgson for eg. He's not nearly 80 as you disrespectfully state. I've a very good idea what's involved in a managers workload and perhaps the least demanding of all is an u20 managers workload given how short that championship is. Sure it's December and we don't even have one yet. It's not a whim either. I wrongfully presumed Boylan no longer interested in being involved in county setups - seems nobody asked him! Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 11/12/2020 15:04:03 2321367 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Boylan is 70, turning 71 this week. Plenty of life in him. He's younger than Roy Hodgson for eg. He's not nearly 80 as you disrespectfully state. I've a very good idea what's involved in a managers workload and perhaps the least demanding of all is an u20 managers workload given how short that championship is. Sure it's December and we don't even have one yet. It's not a whim either. I wrongfully presumed Boylan no longer interested in being involved in county setups - seems nobody asked him!" totally nobody bothered asking him....he hasn't being asked other than the odd manger over the last 10 years. Don't agree on workload on u20...if it was another county other than meath its at least a 5-6 month lead into the championship.., don't take our ineptitude as an indication of what is involved. Apologies on the age thing to Sean Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 11/12/2020 17:44:24 2321406 Link
Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "totally nobody bothered asking him....he hasn't being asked other than the odd manger over the last 10 years. Don't agree on workload on u20...if it was another county other than meath its at least a 5-6 month lead into the championship.., don't take our ineptitude as an indication of what is involved. Apologies on the age thing to Sean" Not sure where you are coming from! You are obsessed with workload-he does not have to play!! and workload is not ala function of age , but more of time available. Someone like Sean would have more time available that a guy appointed who has a full time day job. We are apparently in an age where everyone gets paid and if you are not getting paid than you are not very good- its a mind set. Sean has vastly more experience than most/all coaches in the county and his man management is second to none and I agree with Crinigan on this one. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 13/12/2020 11:00:31 2321815 Link
Think Sean is a bit older than what Crinigan reckons. Marooning (Westmeath) - Posts: 24 - 13/12/2020 14:14:43 2321870 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Boylan is 70, turning 71 this week. Plenty of life in him. He's younger than Roy Hodgson for eg. He's not nearly 80 as you disrespectfully state. I've a very good idea what's involved in a managers workload and perhaps the least demanding of all is an u20 managers workload given how short that championship is. Sure it's December and we don't even have one yet. It's not a whim either. I wrongfully presumed Boylan no longer interested in being involved in county setups - seems nobody asked him!" Seán Boylan made his debut for the Meath hurlers against Antrim in the NHL in 1962. Now I know times were different then but there's no chance a 12 year old played senior inter county hurling. There's even less chance that it happened with such a significant national figure and no deal was ever made if it. The gaa's own website says 1943, and mentions him being in secondary school in the 1950s. https://www.gaa.ie/search/crawl/news/legends-sean-boylan-110552 CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 13/12/2020 15:19:46 2321904 Link