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Replying To redser123:  "Adding david mcentee to the panel might raise a few eye brows but I think hes definitely good enough, talented footballer that plays on the edge, he might not see much time this season with a few forwards ahead of him, but expect him to be very prominent in the future with meath"
I'm sure he will

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 18/10/2020 18:33:24    2298845

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Replying To Htaem:  "I know our record is not good and we need to learn to win essentially but to be fair I think things can improve for us.

One factor which could work in our favour is a much improved Club championship. For me this year was far and away the most competitive Meath championship since 2002 (the last time we had 4 groups of 4).

Now I know it was a sligthly shortened version this year because only the top teams in each group made it through but that vastly increased the urgency to win. For nearly 20 years Meath clubs could lose 3 or 4 games and still qualify for the KO stages our of club championship, it was crazy stuff and for me it completely took the edge off our players."
I agree with that. Also thought the inter offered some good team performances too.
Got to say I would like to see young mcnamee of braces called in think he is early to mid 20s. Was fantastic all year , and as he is a nephew of the great players with Offaly it might not be a bad idea to give him a call up to panel as I fear if we don't Offaly will.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/10/2020 18:50:57    2298848

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "McCoy was getting roasted by kilkenny.not taken off strange with devine maybe not doin what was asked.but goalie thing getting annoying good keeper but we need to get someone to work with kickouts.younger man needed if we are to compete at the top level."
Pick from ballinabrackey has to be the obvious answer imo.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/10/2020 18:54:12    2298849

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Replying To MillerX:  "Maybe Covid is having an effect but when I seen the team this morning I knew in my heart of hearts that NOTHING had been done about kickouts, then I seen the change before throw in I again hoped that there may have been a effort to remedy our No 1 problem. But NO within a few minutes we are again picking the ball out of the f...g net. Must stop. What is this manager and coach doing about this? The coach has published articles about kickout strategy!!! Past a joke, it's not like that it can't be done, within the county several clubs are managing to retain 75% plus of their kickouts and they are not all senior.
Going back to tonight, while it is absolutely brilliant to get a performance against Dublin it is appalling that a goal was given away so cheaply, it's like that retaining possession from kickouts doesn't matter and before you accuse me of picking on the goalkeeper I am not, there were two players in the vicinity who did not move to meet the ball, that's why I think it is not considered as a problem with the squad or the management. Until this is addressed we will not be up there. End of."
Defender equally as much to blame for goal, short kick outs are always a risk, Cluvton got caught in an all ireland final, and he has a few errors last night too. Difference was their forwards could pick off scores with relative ease compared to ours

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1468 - 18/10/2020 20:08:15    2298897

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Could not agree more with the post.

Never looked like a team that were going to push on and have the killer edge against Dublin but plenty to take from the game tonight.

Meath have been within a score for most games this campaign and unfortunately it boils down to missed goal changes and sloppy errors at the back.

Apart from goal keeper, we are getting a bit of depth. Brennan is not the solution and I am inclined to agree that he was only following orders and its a high risk task.

As a team, we have to be cuter.

The truncated Championship will not do us any favours as it looks like we will meet Dublin in the Leinster semi and exit there.

But it builds for a campaign in Division 2 next spring."
it won't be Dublin as they are on the other side of the draw , it will be kildare or offaly

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 18/10/2020 20:20:03    2298906

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Replying To meath1977:  "it won't be Dublin as they are on the other side of the draw , it will be kildare or offaly"
Either way - Dublin are going to be in the Leinster final so whether it's the semi final or a final, should we get there we will meet them.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 759 - 18/10/2020 21:19:57    2298950

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Either way - Dublin are going to be in the Leinster final so whether it's the semi final or a final, should we get there we will meet them."
what about it if we do meet them we should have a good go of it

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 18/10/2020 22:20:48    2298972

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Jesus lads no disrespect but I wouldn't be looking passed the first game in the championship. We did it a couple of years ago and left Longford with our tails between our legs and rightly so. We overlooked them and got our comeuppance

Now to Saturday
1) What was the point of naming a team at 7am, then making so many changes by 7pm. I understand that there may have been issues with Covid and late injuries, but half a dozen changes in 12 hours. Just don't name a team.

2) Goalkeeper issues once again cost us this game. Brennan is 37/38 i believe. He'll never be an inter county keeper and yet Andy is still pig headed enough to include him. This should be the sword on which Andy falls because its beyond a joke. Brennan barely clears the 45 yard line and that invites pressure. I said it last summer this would hamper us, every team can see its an issue and yet we persist. Christ just hammer the ball long and hope for a 50:50 break but this current system keeps giving up scores. How much longer do we need to watch it.

3) A great score put up on Saturday but once again wides and kicking the ball away cost us. Sully running up blind allies and then wides from ballonning balls in. This is division 1 and you have to be a lot smarter.

4) Andy has a long way to go to be closer to the top 8.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 19/10/2020 09:36:14    2299026

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Did Paddy O Rourke retire a few years ago or just not interested? He wouldn't be that old, 29/30..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 19/10/2020 10:30:39    2299059

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Did Paddy O Rourke retire a few years ago or just not interested? He wouldn't be that old, 29/30.."
He walked away from the panel. Paddy is now based in Australia

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 19/10/2020 11:00:33    2299081

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Did Paddy O Rourke retire a few years ago or just not interested? He wouldn't be that old, 29/30.."
Walked away, said why would he bother when he knows he has no chance of beating Dublin. Not the attitude you'd want on a team if you'll publically state that.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 19/10/2020 12:23:34    2299127

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "McCoy was getting roasted by kilkenny.not taken off strange with devine maybe not doin what was asked.but goalie thing getting annoying good keeper but we need to get someone to work with kickouts.younger man needed if we are to compete at the top level."
McCoy is there for his size and athleticism, he's by no means an intercounty footballer though when in possession. If he's not an effective man marker then he shouldn't be near the panel imo. He doesn't throw his weight around much either for a lad his size. Touch of the Lidl Philly McMahon but without the serious aggressive and ****housery.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1320 - 19/10/2020 12:53:45    2299151

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Replying To brian:  "Jesus lads no disrespect but I wouldn't be looking passed the first game in the championship. We did it a couple of years ago and left Longford with our tails between our legs and rightly so. We overlooked them and got our comeuppance

Now to Saturday
1) What was the point of naming a team at 7am, then making so many changes by 7pm. I understand that there may have been issues with Covid and late injuries, but half a dozen changes in 12 hours. Just don't name a team.

2) Goalkeeper issues once again cost us this game. Brennan is 37/38 i believe. He'll never be an inter county keeper and yet Andy is still pig headed enough to include him. This should be the sword on which Andy falls because its beyond a joke. Brennan barely clears the 45 yard line and that invites pressure. I said it last summer this would hamper us, every team can see its an issue and yet we persist. Christ just hammer the ball long and hope for a 50:50 break but this current system keeps giving up scores. How much longer do we need to watch it.

3) A great score put up on Saturday but once again wides and kicking the ball away cost us. Sully running up blind allies and then wides from ballonning balls in. This is division 1 and you have to be a lot smarter.

4) Andy has a long way to go to be closer to the top 8."
This is such a negative post. He named a team because he was probably told he had to. Like you said lads unavailable because of COVID restrictions and who cares anyway don't see why it matters. 2. Andy has tried 12 keepers in 4 years and none of them are up to it. Maybe young keepers like Beakey, McDermott, Pluck or Cian Flynn could be ready but I don't think they are ready yet and if you throw them in it could destroy their confidence (this is true of goalkeepers more than outfield players because you can't play your way into a game). As for hammering it long 50/50, this is braindead. We don't have a good fetching midfield. Menton rarely ever catches a mark and Jones is a great fielder with a good leap but he is giving up 4 or 5 inches to every opposition midfielder. Devine should be a good kick out option wing forward but I haven't seen him be that consistently. If you boot it long then the opposition can fist it or come on to the ball with momentum and then within 3 seconds they are in the 45 and we are under pressure. If we had Nash and Shane O'Rourke out there maybe but with the current midfield options this is backward thinking. And saying 'we have a long way to go to be closer to the top 8.' 4 point loss to Dublin, 3 to Kerry, 2 to Galway, 1 to Mayo. Not much closer you can go. Compared to 2 years ago the improvement is massive and even compared to the super 8's we are getting there. A win over Monaghan would be absolutely massive for confidence.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1478 - 19/10/2020 13:47:56    2299184

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "This is such a negative post. He named a team because he was probably told he had to. Like you said lads unavailable because of COVID restrictions and who cares anyway don't see why it matters. 2. Andy has tried 12 keepers in 4 years and none of them are up to it. Maybe young keepers like Beakey, McDermott, Pluck or Cian Flynn could be ready but I don't think they are ready yet and if you throw them in it could destroy their confidence (this is true of goalkeepers more than outfield players because you can't play your way into a game). As for hammering it long 50/50, this is braindead. We don't have a good fetching midfield. Menton rarely ever catches a mark and Jones is a great fielder with a good leap but he is giving up 4 or 5 inches to every opposition midfielder. Devine should be a good kick out option wing forward but I haven't seen him be that consistently. If you boot it long then the opposition can fist it or come on to the ball with momentum and then within 3 seconds they are in the 45 and we are under pressure. If we had Nash and Shane O'Rourke out there maybe but with the current midfield options this is backward thinking. And saying 'we have a long way to go to be closer to the top 8.' 4 point loss to Dublin, 3 to Kerry, 2 to Galway, 1 to Mayo. Not much closer you can go. Compared to 2 years ago the improvement is massive and even compared to the super 8's we are getting there. A win over Monaghan would be absolutely massive for confidence."
Leitrim, its not negative, I was trying to give an honest assessment. Sorry if that doesn't match your viewpoint but I'm entitled to have an opinion without it being run down.

Goalkeeper : Issues have been clear for years. Andy has done nothing to remedy the situation. The issues have been well discussed. But continuing with Brennan or Colgan is giving a team a 3-4 score head start and is killing us. As you said how many close games have we been in this year and we can almost track the difference to scores given away by our keeper.

Andy has been plain pig ignorant with this. He gave Berlingham and Hannigan one game in the O'Byrne cup and discarded them, replacing them with a 37 year old and a former forward who hadn't played in goals since he was 16. He gave Yorke a half v Tyrone and hauled him off and replaced him with an inside forward. The issue and problems are of his own creation and until he has the bottle to solve them its going to cost us 3 to 6 points a game. We're not good enough to over turn that against a top 8 team. Beakey and McDermott have been in and out and never got much of a chance.

Kickout Strategy : Or lack of one. Kick it short and that invites teams onto us. They push up en masse. It's extremly difficult to get out of your defence then as teams are higher up the pitch and have numbers on you. Invariably teams are turned over and closer to goal. Kicking it longer to Devine or another half forward as you say relieves that pressure and if needed we can get numbers back and stop a counter. Unfortunately brennan can't kick the ball that far and you're further hamstringing the team. No having a "fetching midfielder" is again an issue that Andy hasn't addressed, Adam Flanagan was an option but didn't offer much else so seems to be gone.

The definition of stupidity is trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's what Andy has done for 4 years with regards to his goalkeepers.

Losses : Yes we've been close to plenty of teams but on Saturday Dublin were in second gear and had us at arms length, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal the same. When push came to shove last summer and during the league, those same teams also swatted us like flies. As a meath man I grew up watching us never accepting defeat, and teams knew even when they had the final nail in the coffin there was still a chance we'd come back. I don't settle for moral victories they mean nothing.

We're not getting there until we get even one victory over a top 8 team of which we're not one. Yes they could go out and win this weekend and it would be a good achievement but Monaghan haven't half the playing numbers or population we have and they've been a top 8 team for close to 15 years if not more. We aren't at that level... yet

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 19/10/2020 16:41:24    2299257

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Replying To ABK67:  "Curtis wasn't on this years 20s match day 24 Must have had a really good club championship that I missed David Dillon had to have had a great championship too if you're picking on form David McEntee must have showed really good form too
Would have liked to see Aaron Lynch at senior club before senior county but he could do nothing about that and is worth a look There seems to be a low bar for some players to come in the panel and higher for others though Mitchell from Dunshaughlin has hit big scores in both his years at senior club, is only 19 and while still not fully developed would have to benefit from inclusion Also has a track record of delivering in big matches - minor Leinster final AI quarter and semi as well as club senior - which was absent last night Morris x2 chances, Walsh x 1 Hickey x 1 (excuse here as he's a back and on his first game) Flynn from Ratoath also had a good year at senior and should get a chance. I won't even go at the Beano/ Mattimoe argument as it has been well articulated here in the past
We can do better"
Jack Flynn from Rataoth has being called up to the Meath senior panel.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 19/10/2020 16:43:20    2299258

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Replying To brian:  "Jesus lads no disrespect but I wouldn't be looking passed the first game in the championship. We did it a couple of years ago and left Longford with our tails between our legs and rightly so. We overlooked them and got our comeuppance

Now to Saturday
1) What was the point of naming a team at 7am, then making so many changes by 7pm. I understand that there may have been issues with Covid and late injuries, but half a dozen changes in 12 hours. Just don't name a team.

2) Goalkeeper issues once again cost us this game. Brennan is 37/38 i believe. He'll never be an inter county keeper and yet Andy is still pig headed enough to include him. This should be the sword on which Andy falls because its beyond a joke. Brennan barely clears the 45 yard line and that invites pressure. I said it last summer this would hamper us, every team can see its an issue and yet we persist. Christ just hammer the ball long and hope for a 50:50 break but this current system keeps giving up scores. How much longer do we need to watch it.

3) A great score put up on Saturday but once again wides and kicking the ball away cost us. Sully running up blind allies and then wides from ballonning balls in. This is division 1 and you have to be a lot smarter.

4) Andy has a long way to go to be closer to the top 8."
For an county game a panel needs to be submitted to Croke Park by either the Wednesday night or Thursday morning before the match. I'm not sure which.

A lot can change between then and a game, especially in a pandemic.

The team released to the media on Saturday morning would be the team given to HQ on a few days previously.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 19/10/2020 16:45:44    2299262

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Replying To jackhackett:  "For an county game a panel needs to be submitted to Croke Park by either the Wednesday night or Thursday morning before the match. I'm not sure which.

A lot can change between then and a game, especially in a pandemic.

The team released to the media on Saturday morning would be the team given to HQ on a few days previously."
Cheers Jack,

Clears that up a little anyways ;)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 19/10/2020 16:58:53    2299270

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Replying To brian:  "Leitrim, its not negative, I was trying to give an honest assessment. Sorry if that doesn't match your viewpoint but I'm entitled to have an opinion without it being run down.

Goalkeeper : Issues have been clear for years. Andy has done nothing to remedy the situation. The issues have been well discussed. But continuing with Brennan or Colgan is giving a team a 3-4 score head start and is killing us. As you said how many close games have we been in this year and we can almost track the difference to scores given away by our keeper.

Andy has been plain pig ignorant with this. He gave Berlingham and Hannigan one game in the O'Byrne cup and discarded them, replacing them with a 37 year old and a former forward who hadn't played in goals since he was 16. He gave Yorke a half v Tyrone and hauled him off and replaced him with an inside forward. The issue and problems are of his own creation and until he has the bottle to solve them its going to cost us 3 to 6 points a game. We're not good enough to over turn that against a top 8 team. Beakey and McDermott have been in and out and never got much of a chance.

Kickout Strategy : Or lack of one. Kick it short and that invites teams onto us. They push up en masse. It's extremly difficult to get out of your defence then as teams are higher up the pitch and have numbers on you. Invariably teams are turned over and closer to goal. Kicking it longer to Devine or another half forward as you say relieves that pressure and if needed we can get numbers back and stop a counter. Unfortunately brennan can't kick the ball that far and you're further hamstringing the team. No having a "fetching midfielder" is again an issue that Andy hasn't addressed, Adam Flanagan was an option but didn't offer much else so seems to be gone.

The definition of stupidity is trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's what Andy has done for 4 years with regards to his goalkeepers.

Losses : Yes we've been close to plenty of teams but on Saturday Dublin were in second gear and had us at arms length, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal the same. When push came to shove last summer and during the league, those same teams also swatted us like flies. As a meath man I grew up watching us never accepting defeat, and teams knew even when they had the final nail in the coffin there was still a chance we'd come back. I don't settle for moral victories they mean nothing.

We're not getting there until we get even one victory over a top 8 team of which we're not one. Yes they could go out and win this weekend and it would be a good achievement but Monaghan haven't half the playing numbers or population we have and they've been a top 8 team for close to 15 years if not more. We aren't at that level... yet"
Nothing negative about giving an honest opinion, totally agree re the whole keeper and kick out strategy, unless its fixed we are in for a disappointing championship. It is disrupting every aspect of our play, cannot get the ball away quickly after a wide/score and whole system suffers. Invites teams to take pot-shots in the knowledge they have a better than 50/50 chance of regaining possession on our restarts.
Not so sure Dubs were in second gear, take away our errors ( not even including our missed goal chances and poor wides) and we were there or thereabouts. Saw things in Meath's play on Saturday that was encouraging, however unless management can solve the main problem we will need to be scoring very heavily to win games.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2154 - 19/10/2020 19:31:41    2299345

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Considering we were missing our whole full back line,mcgill,lavin,Gallagher, (which is our biggest strength)that's a massive improvement on previous Meath dublin games,we get these back and harnon,mcmahon,j wallace,we won't be far away,would love to bring banty down to division 2 with us sunday

Utdroyal (Meath) - Posts: 61 - 19/10/2020 20:16:10    2299366

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Replying To Crinigan:  "McCoy is there for his size and athleticism, he's by no means an intercounty footballer though when in possession. If he's not an effective man marker then he shouldn't be near the panel imo. He doesn't throw his weight around much either for a lad his size. Touch of the Lidl Philly McMahon but without the serious aggressive and ****housery."
Mcmahon can play ball.showed that again the gooch.mccoy big athletic lad not man marker taken to cleaners again kerry to.gets loads chances but still same failings.have to question why that happens.selectors have to get blame here as well.if they have a say on it.?.how there not shouting about goalie scenario makes me think there soft.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 19/10/2020 21:13:37    2299394

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