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Replying To sceptical:  "Confidence well merited. That is an awesome team."
Even allowing for the fact that cavan played extremely poorly with a purely individualistic mindset that is probably the best u21 team performance I have seen in years. For people who could not attend the game tonight Donegal gave an absolute exhibition of team work from full length hand passing moves ending in scores, speed of transition from defence to attack & mixture of kick passing & hand passing. Also individually they had unbelievable pace carrying ball, unerring accuracy. Think it's fair to say they would have defeated a lot of senior teams based on their performance tonight

bond (Longford) - Posts: 165 - 05/04/2017 23:28:57    1976280

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Disappointed with tonight. Cavan were completely outclassed by a quicker and fitter team. Hard to judge overall based on tonight, well have to see how far Donegal to judge.

patman92 (Cavan) - Posts: 70 - 05/04/2017 23:32:42    1976281

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Don't think it was arrogance. We still have men to come back in.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 877 - 06/04/2017 00:13:22    1976291

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Replying To blueskies:  "We have really regressed at this age group in the last two years so a change of management is urgently required."
what's the urgency ? .

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 06/04/2017 00:14:18    1976292

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Replying To bond:  "Even allowing for the fact that cavan played extremely poorly with a purely individualistic mindset that is probably the best u21 team performance I have seen in years. For people who could not attend the game tonight Donegal gave an absolute exhibition of team work from full length hand passing moves ending in scores, speed of transition from defence to attack & mixture of kick passing & hand passing. Also individually they had unbelievable pace carrying ball, unerring accuracy. Think it's fair to say they would have defeated a lot of senior teams based on their performance tonight"
Very complimentary words indeed. I did think it was based more on hand passing and attacking at pace rather than too much reliance on the foot passing. A Donegal minor side gave a similar display away in Armagh in 2015 yet ended up having an early ending to their summer by being shocked by Derry so there will be no counting chickens. To be fair Galway, Dublin and especially Kerry have shown really good form in what is shaping up to be a vintage final U-21 championship. Kerry last week were exceptional their variation of play at times was a GAA version of total football for me especially their foot passing into oncoming forwards.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2739 - 06/04/2017 02:10:16    1976299

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At the age Donegal played in the All Ireland Minor Football final three years ago losing out to Kerry. The odds suggested that they were hot favourites and so it proved. I read in last weeks Celt that a lot of the Cavan players had not won a game at minor or under 21 level going into this year's championship, therefore, the result can be no surprise.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 06/04/2017 06:32:38    1976309

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Fair play to Declan Bonner and Donegal. Last night was an exhibition of football. The scores that was kicked were sublime. Breaking tackles at speed, support play, kick passing, just such a pity it was against Cavan. Everything Donegal did, we didn't or were incapable of. There were holes all over the field but we never made any switches in the first half even though we were hemorrhaging scores, baffling by Lynch as he stood on his own on the sideline and did nothing. Game was over after a couple of minutes. Best of luck to Donegal, They have to be second favourites after Kerry.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 06/04/2017 08:21:20    1976321

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Replying To s goldrick:  "what's the urgency ? ."
Even allowing for the fact that cavan played extremely poorly with a purely individualistic mindset that is probably the best u21 team performance I have seen in years. For people who could not attend the game tonight Donegal gave an absolute exhibition of team work from full length hand passing moves ending in scores, speed of transition from defence to attack & mixture of kick passing & hand passing. Also individually they had unbelievable pace carrying ball, unerring accuracy. Think it's fair to say they would have defeated a lot of senior teams based on their performance tonight
bond (Longford) - Posts:73 - 05/04/2017 23:28:57

I saw them against Tyrone and everything you say above is correct. They do play defensive but at a far different level and how many times over the last 15 or so years have I mentioned the ebb and flow. They are a joy to watch and when in possession of the ball it's direct attacking with support at either flank. The only thing that will beat this team is complacency nothing else.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/04/2017 09:35:43    1976349

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Replying To s goldrick:  "what's the urgency ? ."
What really does it matter? We won 4 under 21 titles and have these players progressed? No they haven't.
Seance Johnston was our top scorer last year and he hasn't played u21 for 12 years.
The u21s coming through are not progressing at the rate they should be considering the success we had at that level.
We don't have the expertise within the county to bring players to the next level.
4 under 21 titles, a minor title and a colleges title and not 1 decent forward to show for it.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/04/2017 09:45:54    1976352

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Cavan over protective of u21 players. Kerry, Galway, Donegal had u21s involved with the Seniors in the league. Cavan beat an extremely poor Fermanagh team while Donegal had 2 games against Tyrone as well as a number of players playing Senior.

From last night very few of the Cavan u21s would make a big impact on the Senior team. Conor Bradley would be an addition.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 06/04/2017 10:03:24    1976359

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One word. Clinical.

I have to say, that was a stunning performance and I really felt for our lads. Donegal will win Ulster and would have to be in with a good shout for the all ireland. But Kerry and Dublin are looking strong too. I find it very concerning that we are so far off the pace - don't forget that Tyrone took that Donegal team to a replay. So we need to look at how we are set up as a county moving forward if we are to compete. But I put no blame on the players, this was a case of a much much better team winning comfortably.

Best of luck to Donegal and hope that they can go on to win it.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 06/04/2017 10:09:43    1976362

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Didn't see the game so can't comment on the performance, but that is a shockingly poor result for us. You'd wonder why we have regressed so much at underage in recent times, especially after dominating the province at this level for 4 years. By all accounts Donegal sound like an awesome team.

Worrying times ahead for Cavan football.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1063 - 06/04/2017 10:10:19    1976363

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I see the usual suspects seem to have enjoyed that result last night.

Bizarre attitude to following your county.

Saying young fellas, amateurs, should "hang their heads in shame" is not on. They were beaten by a better team. It happens, that's how SPORT works.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11947 - 06/04/2017 10:30:01    1976386

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Replying To Breffni39:  "I see the usual suspects seem to have enjoyed that result last night.

Bizarre attitude to following your county.

Saying young fellas, amateurs, should "hang their heads in shame" is not on. They were beaten by a better team. It happens, that's how SPORT works."
Good post. There is no shame in losing to a better team & it happens to everyone at some stage in their lives.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 06/04/2017 10:44:53    1976399

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In the last 7 years

Donegal 6 Ulster seniors finals winning 3
Donegal 4 u21 finals winning 1.
Donegal 2 minor finals winning 2.

Tyrone 2 ulster seniors finals winning 2
Tyrone 4 u21 finals winning1.
Tyrone 2 minor finals winning 1.

Monaghan 4 Ulster senior finals winning 2.
Monaghan 1 u21 final winning 1.
Monaghan 2 minor finals winning 2.

Cavan 0 Ulster senior finals winning 0
Cavan 5 u21 finals winning 4.
Cavan 2 minor finals winning 1.

Now looking at those stats there something wrong somewhere with the transition from underage to senior only in Cavan this past 7 years when players now should be at their peak.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/04/2017 11:00:12    1976407

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Replying To Breffni39:  "I see the usual suspects seem to have enjoyed that result last night.

Bizarre attitude to following your county.

Saying young fellas, amateurs, should "hang their heads in shame" is not on. They were beaten by a better team. It happens, that's how SPORT works."
I agree. It is bizarre that people who i assume are grown men savage an underage team after admitting that they didnt even attend the game. I sat near a fan last night who rediculed the efforts of our team for the entire hour. There is something very wrong in our counties football. It is not however to be found in the current u21 setup. It is in the disgraceful attitude of many on here. Lads, the team last night were beaten by an extraordinary Donegal squad. However, Conor Bradley, Caoimhin Reilly, Donal Monaghan, Luke Fortune, David Brady, and some might say others too, are well capable of making an impact at senior level. However, even if they dont, that doesnt lessen their effort or commitment.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 06/04/2017 11:06:01    1976410

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I watched the Connacht u21 final on Saturday. Galway had 2 or 3 excellent forwards. Seems to come natural to them.Michael Day and Finnerty were a joy to watch. Though they weren't playing against a defensive set up.

Ryan Connolly, Reilly, Conor Bradley have good ability, hopefully they will be involved with Cavan juniors and maybe might get onto the Senior panel.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 06/04/2017 11:31:15    1976421

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "In the last 7 years

Donegal 6 Ulster seniors finals winning 3
Donegal 4 u21 finals winning 1.
Donegal 2 minor finals winning 2.

Tyrone 2 ulster seniors finals winning 2
Tyrone 4 u21 finals winning1.
Tyrone 2 minor finals winning 1.

Monaghan 4 Ulster senior finals winning 2.
Monaghan 1 u21 final winning 1.
Monaghan 2 minor finals winning 2.

Cavan 0 Ulster senior finals winning 0
Cavan 5 u21 finals winning 4.
Cavan 2 minor finals winning 1.

Now looking at those stats there something wrong somewhere with the transition from underage to senior only in Cavan this past 7 years when players now should be at their peak."
The advantage the young Tyrone & Donegal players have is that they are coming into a well eatablished senior setup that has success in it's recent history.
For me the man who has laid the groundwork for this U21 team is Jim McGuinness, for Tyrone it is Mickey Harte. These managers put a stamp on their counties that has permeated every level & Cavan's task is to appoint a figure who can do the same thing.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 06/04/2017 11:50:20    1976430

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lads, it was men and boys last night. We learned nothing from hammering Fermanagh and were blown away by a sharp, well prepared Donegal team.
In my opinion we did not play as a team but as individuals.
Also my gripe with this age group is that for the past number of years it has been basically a closed shop. It is based on minor teams of the past few years.
There are no open trials to pick up lads who have developed mentally, physically and tactically over the years. It's a closed shop !
A few weekends of trials would cast the net wider and possibly pick up talent.
Anyway, this year is gone and hopefully we can learn from it.
To be honest, I'm not sure if any of this group will cut it at senior level.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 06/04/2017 11:57:02    1976435

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Replying To bond:  "Even allowing for the fact that cavan played extremely poorly with a purely individualistic mindset that is probably the best u21 team performance I have seen in years. For people who could not attend the game tonight Donegal gave an absolute exhibition of team work from full length hand passing moves ending in scores, speed of transition from defence to attack & mixture of kick passing & hand passing. Also individually they had unbelievable pace carrying ball, unerring accuracy. Think it's fair to say they would have defeated a lot of senior teams based on their performance tonight"
Donegal looked good but Kerry are the team in this grade. Am told they would beat at least 26 of the 32 senior county teams. A huge team!

donegael (Donegal) - Posts: 188 - 06/04/2017 12:02:39    1976438

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