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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "It's clubs that produce players not the county. Can anyone name anyone that's in the county that's not had a chance and deserves one? Forwards I'm talking about."
It's clubs that produce players not the county. Can anyone name anyone that's in the county that's not had a chance and deserves one? Forwards I'm talking about.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:848 - 06/04/2017 17:37:58 1976603

So are we in agreement then that there is no need for development squads then and maybe pump the money back into the clubs instead. ??? I feel to be honest the manual coaches are a waste of space the common sense coach is far better and gives everyone a fair chance. ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/04/2017 18:05:18    1976617

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Replying To seanorinn:  "It's clubs that produce players not the county. Can anyone name anyone that's in the county that's not had a chance and deserves one? Forwards I'm talking about.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:848 - 06/04/2017 17:37:58 1976603

So are we in agreement then that there is no need for development squads then and maybe pump the money back into the clubs instead. ??? I feel to be honest the manual coaches are a waste of space the common sense coach is far better and gives everyone a fair chance. ???"
When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03    1976619

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I think we covered this all before. We have too many clubs and it wont change as we know. So there you have it. The quantity of clubs is diluting the standard of football and therefore we cannot compete in Ulster at club level. But we wont bother starting all of this again!

I cant think of any club player who has been overlooked. So we have what we have.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 06/04/2017 18:17:36    1976620

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc..."
When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/04/2017 18:21:24    1976622

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Replying To seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4702 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50    1976689

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice."
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2460 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50 1976689

you call that development you can get all that information online ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/04/2017 22:41:39    1976722

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Replying To seanorinn:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice."
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2460 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50 1976689

you call that development you can get all that information online ???"]Sean everything online is not correct and online does not individualise it for different players requirements or monitor it.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 07/04/2017 09:39:49    1976781

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice."
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2460 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50 1976689

you call that development you can get all that information online ???"]Sean everything online is not correct and online does not individualise it for different players requirements or monitor it."]Where the coaching , tactical and mental development for lads leaving the u21 set up.
We talk about the step up from Div 2 to Div 1 but who's in charge of an u21s step up to Senior level?
Or is he just thrown in at the deep end at Senior level all because he was a good u21??
The biggest problem we had is the extended panel were not getting much game time.
They weren't even allowed play with their clubs.
Players need football to gain confidence and experience.
Fair play to Mattie he gave lads like Clerkin, Madden, 2 Murrays and other a fairly decent chance to stake a claim.
These lads will be better for the Div 1 experience.
Now they all need club football for a few weeks to sharpen them up not wrapped up in cotton wool excused from games just because they are part of the county panel.
5/6 club games between now and the 1st round won't do any player any harm.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 07/04/2017 10:38:53    1976802

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice."
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2460 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50 1976689

you call that development you can get all that information online ???"]Sean everything online is not correct and online does not individualise it for different players requirements or monitor it."]you call that development you can get all that information online ???"]Sean everything online is not correct and online does not individualise it for different players requirements or monitor it.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:853 - 07/04/2017 09:39:49 197678

We have manual coaches ect where do they get their information yes you got it in one GOOGLE and the MANUAL.

Look if I can be straight to the point the common sense coach that teaches them discipline respect the rules of the game and then the basic principles of our one great game we would be half way's there. Donegal do it this way Kerry do it that way Dublin do it their way why not Cavan for a change doing it their way. Other counties would have to adapt then to play Cavan instead of Cavan alway's training their way. First off learn your responsibilities in the position you play in, remember you are one of 15 on the pitch so understand the player's that run off you and reconise. The players need to remember this it's not all about me me me there are 14 others you would be surprised what might happen. You can combine negativity with positivity and one wonders what might come from it. Well I feel it would be a start in the right direction. I hope John Brady will play a more open and constructive game when they play either Fermanagh or Monaghan in June.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 07/04/2017 11:13:16    1976812

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "
Replying To doratheexplorer:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "When players go into development squads they're still part of their clubs. Playing proper competitive games with club improves basic skills. At minor level development squads should be used for conditioning, diet advice etc...
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:849 - 06/04/2017 18:10:03 1976619


Are they ???"
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice."
Yes, from talking to anyone who's been on the Cavan minor panel over the past 14 or 15 years, they are given diet and conditioning advice.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2460 - 06/04/2017 20:53:50 1976689

you call that development you can get all that information online ???"]Sean everything online is not correct and online does not individualise it for different players requirements or monitor it."]Where the coaching , tactical and mental development for lads leaving the u21 set up.
We talk about the step up from Div 2 to Div 1 but who's in charge of an u21s step up to Senior level?
Or is he just thrown in at the deep end at Senior level all because he was a good u21??
The biggest problem we had is the extended panel were not getting much game time.
They weren't even allowed play with their clubs.
Players need football to gain confidence and experience.
Fair play to Mattie he gave lads like Clerkin, Madden, 2 Murrays and other a fairly decent chance to stake a claim.
These lads will be better for the Div 1 experience.
Now they all need club football for a few weeks to sharpen them up not wrapped up in cotton wool excused from games just because they are part of the county panel.
5/6 club games between now and the 1st round won't do any player any harm."]Okay I bow to your superior knowledge now will you tell me who is the dietitian that is with the development squads the minors the U21 the seniors do we have one or is it someone that comes in one evening and tells them this is what you should do. ????? Or are one of the coaches responsible for this and I expect would have a degree in this field or am I wrong is it read again from a manual?????
I will ask another question do you think feeding players a big meal around 2200hrs after three nights of training a good idea ???? I believe it's not conductive to good health. I may well be wrong for I don't have experience as a dietitian.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 07/04/2017 11:24:55    1976818

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Sean, I'm no dietician myself but yes, depending on the nature of training done, eating at that time of night can aid recovery. Again, it depends on the type of meal consumed.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4702 - 07/04/2017 14:01:36    1976880

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Sean, I'm no dietician myself but yes, depending on the nature of training done, eating at that time of night can aid recovery. Again, it depends on the type of meal consumed."
Would it improve shooting?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 07/04/2017 15:24:32    1976927

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Would it improve shooting?"
You still have to eat right and prepare right.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 07/04/2017 16:20:28    1976945

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We need to take a look at what Donegal and Kerry are doing at underage and try and get some ideas from them.

Take cork for example, they won 4 u21 titles at provincial level around the same time we did, and it hasn't worked out for their senior team either.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1063 - 07/04/2017 16:44:12    1976950

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "We need to take a look at what Donegal and Kerry are doing at underage and try and get some ideas from them.

Take cork for example, they won 4 u21 titles at provincial level around the same time we did, and it hasn't worked out for their senior team either."
Kerry hadn't won a Munster u21 for 9 years before now. What they're doing now and why their minors are so successful and schools and now u21 is proper conditioning, something they admitted they completely neglected. They relied on basic skills but didn't complement it with the right ingredients. The fella we lost to Tyrone is a major problem with our recent decline in underage standards.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 07/04/2017 16:59:34    1976957

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Kerry hadn't won a Munster u21 for 9 years before now. What they're doing now and why their minors are so successful and schools and now u21 is proper conditioning, something they admitted they completely neglected. They relied on basic skills but didn't complement it with the right ingredients. The fella we lost to Tyrone is a major problem with our recent decline in underage standards."
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:855 - 07/04/2017 16:59:34 1976957

Peter Donnelly

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 07/04/2017 17:29:24    1976963

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I was at the Meath v Cavan challenge game - St, Colmcillies Club - Official Pitch Opening in 2013. It was on a Friday evening. If memory serves me right. I think that Monaghan had beaten Meath in the Division 2 League Final in Croke Park on the Saturday before. Meath had put out a strong team for this challenge match. The Cavan Manager on this evening had a pick of two teams for this game. He totally changed the team around in the second half. Cavan had won comfortably.

There was a buzz around that pitch on this evening. You could hear from the Meath following at this game. !! That Cavan team are a serious looking outfit !! It would make you a proud Cavan man to hear the chat going on.

How many of that Cavan Panel are currently playing today?

We had something going on for Cavan football at that time.... We have to get back at it again!!
What we had at that time was good sound structures were in place,....

It would now appear today that we haven't learned a lot from coaching and team developments..

upandcomingblue (Cavan) - Posts: 37 - 07/04/2017 21:30:10    1977011

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "We need to take a look at what Donegal and Kerry are doing at underage and try and get some ideas from them.

Take cork for example, they won 4 u21 titles at provincial level around the same time we did, and it hasn't worked out for their senior team either."
As I posted at the time wining 10 Ulster U 21 titles in a row would be totally worthless if we didnt produce forwards of senior County standard.. We won 4 titles in a row playing woefull defenceve football that was no help to the senior team down the road... Tyrone were beaten in 2 of those finals but are in a much better place than us... Nobody in the GAA really care about the U 21 competition at either club or County level so why we wasted talent playing the way we did for 4/5 years is beyond me...we are still paying the price for that and will do for years to come...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 07/04/2017 22:01:16    1977017

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Replying To Sean.66:  "As I posted at the time wining 10 Ulster U 21 titles in a row would be totally worthless if we didnt produce forwards of senior County standard.. We won 4 titles in a row playing woefull defenceve football that was no help to the senior team down the road... Tyrone were beaten in 2 of those finals but are in a much better place than us... Nobody in the GAA really care about the U 21 competition at either club or County level so why we wasted talent playing the way we did for 4/5 years is beyond me...we are still paying the price for that and will do for years to come..."
sean. 66 Nobody in the GAA really care about the U 21

Is this not the last year for the U21 competition I think they finally have got rid of it.

But I think they are just coming back a year to U20 open to correction here ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/04/2017 08:24:03    1977059

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I still cannot believe there are people on this forum who think that moving from Div 3 to Div 1 with a team of young players is not an indication that the U21 success we had has been a positive effect on the senior team. You really have to be of a totally negative composition to think that. We made slow steady progress at senior level in the last few years in the league but unfortunately not in the championship (at least since we made the quarter final). This year however has been very disappointing so far for me. We lost our Div 1 status with a whimper and the last game in particular was lost on the line due to some mind boggling positional changes for no obvious reason combined with players that simply were not up for it. Of course all will be forgotten if we do well in Ulster but the signs are not good so far.

The U21 performance was terrible and although we were up against an excellent team, surely we should expect a better tactical show. Again, the management of that team had a chance to watch Donegal against Tyrone the previous week and seemingly made no use of that advantage. Time for a change there for next years U20s and I think the County Board should go cap in hand to Terry Hyland and ask him to come back and help bring lads on. Tankings like Wednesday will do serious damage to young players coming through, we need to be very competitive as teams like Donegal and Tyrone are taking these underage tournaments more and more seriously every year.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1482 - 08/04/2017 09:30:44    1977069

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