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Agree he ran through 5 of our defenders and no one laid a hand on him diabolical defending. As for the manager doesn't matter who it is because like the tradesman if you haven't got the tools you can't go to work.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 13/07/2022 12:39:49 2431842 Link 0 |
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Would have to agree with everything you said, so called big players were marked absent. Should have learned from our defensive frailties against Sligo. Westmeath had a lot of goal opportunities, apart from a hit and hope lob into box and the last minute miss. desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 207 - 13/07/2022 13:53:50 2431867 Link 0 |
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You're like a dog with two M**keys now that they have lost (excuse the pun). Just cos they lost on Saturday doesn't suddenly make you right about everything you've spouted on this forum before now, nor does it give you the right to take the high moral ground over Mickey Graham. No genuine Cavan supporter would be taking swipes at him the way you do. Right now I'd say is his lowest managerial moment and he deserves the respect of being able to decide what he wants to do and yes I think he deserves the chance to stay on if he wants. Things are not either wonderful or s***e but that's how you seem to see things. No one, including those who are great supporters of Graham are saying he's wonderful, but we know he is capable of giving us some wonderful moments and the question now is whether he is capable of achieving anything more with this team and giving us more consistently wonderful moments or is the sickener on Saturday going to be more the case going forward. You may think the latter is the case and you are entitled to that opinion, but you don't have to be insulting about it. These are all opinions, there is no right or wrong answer. Anyone can be confident they are right but KNOWING you are right is arrogance.
BreffniGael (Cavan) - Posts: 43 - 13/07/2022 14:10:48 2431876 Link 0 |
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McKiernan was marked by David Lynch (#12). Lynch also did a man-marking job on Ofally's best player in the semi. This allowed Wallace to go on the attack like he did in the semi. Westmeath watched Cavan and made positional changes to win the match. They have John Keane (all star back) and Dessie Dolan (all star forward) training them. Wallace trained in the forward line at training the previous Tuesday and is a midfield player at club level. Unfortunately it looked like we just lined out expecting to win as we have had the upper hand on Westmeath on the last number of meetings. No plan B - Patrick Lynch was double marked and silly cross field kicks continued to be kicked in aimlessly. Disappointed for the lads having put in the effort and commitment. TBH, bringing in Martin Reilly to change the game didn't work like it has done in the past. ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 226 - 13/07/2022 14:16:06 2431879 Link 0 |
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I don't really care how many games Mickey won compared to other managers. The bar is higher now (thanks to him) after the Ulster win, and it's about is he the right man for next year. Terry Hyland raised the bar before that also and probably tarnished his reputation staying on 1 year too long, but has a good mind for winning one off games and knowledge of the players available. Things have gone stale because we were poor against Westmeath on Sunday and deserved to lose. We also only produced one attacking performance all year that would be good enough to beat an Ulster C'ship contender, and we lost that game by 5/6 points. Faulkner's goal brought us back into it Sunday but was a fortunate goal when the game was going away from us. Mistakes from Tomas & Martin Reilly don't mean that we weren't the inferior team on the day. That's just the glass half full view I think, which isn't the takeaway mood from that game I don't think. I'd be fairly sure Westmeath outplayed us and we didn't throw it away. We also struggled to break down very poor Division 4 defences all year. Mickey showed us that there are good forwards there and we can play a good kicking game at times in 2020 and V Donegal, but we don't seem to consistently even try to play that game, never mind play it consistently well. A new voice might liven up the attacking play next year. On the defensive side then, it is in tatters, even against poor teams like Sligo. If Mickey was to stay, then he'll be going back to the drawing board and starting from scratch, so again a fresh approach there seems the better option. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 13/07/2022 14:25:45 2431883 Link 0 |
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No swipes been taken at him… just call it as it is and get on with it… If people are happy with mediocrity then leave him in the job… we are going nowhere only backwards since 2020 but you seem to think this is ok…. 22 hangers on getting paid expenses produce rubbish like we have seen most of the year but you still think it's fine… It was embarrassing.. If this is allowed to continue we will struggle in Div 3 next year…. Get a proper manager in now…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1900 - 13/07/2022 14:45:19 2431887 Link 0 |
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No swipes been taken at him… just call it as it is and get on with it… If people are happy with mediocrity then leave him in the job… we are going nowhere only backwards since 2020 but you seem to think this is ok…. 22 hangers on getting paid expenses produce rubbish like we have seen most of the year but you still think it's fine… It was embarrassing.. If this is allowed to continue we will struggle in Div 3 next year…. Get a proper manager in now… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 853 - 13/07/2022 14:45:19 Who should we get in? RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 845 - 13/07/2022 15:50:25 2431907 Link 0 |
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We have a full time paid secretary and other big wigs at County board level to sort that out… Mickey Graham has run his course and in all honesty he should have went when we got relegated into Division 4 for the first time in our long history…. A nice guy no doubt but not up to been a County team manager… We have become too easy for even weak teams to play against
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1900 - 13/07/2022 16:04:15 2431911 Link 0 |
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the 1997 team had their 25 year celebration this year they should have got foreverblue in to give them a speech explain to them that they were a waste of a generation and present each of them with a bag of turnips.
breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 13/07/2022 16:04:23 2431912 Link 0 |
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Whilst Mickey has given us some good moments (2019 we reached the USFC Final, and won it in 2020), the reality is that what we are really seeking is a consistent team who can challenge every year, like Tyrone, like Donegal. I emphasise CHALLENGE, not win, because it is unrealistic to win Ulster every year and nobody expects that, but we should at least be challenging and perhaps aiming for a title every decade. Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 13/07/2022 16:34:24 2431915 Link 0 |
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See, there you go again "a proper manager", he deserves more respect than that. It was he who delivered 2020 and the victories in 2019, and for an hour against Donegal we played even better than those two years. Maybe his time is up and the team is in decline but maybe Saturday will also be a turning point that sees a serious shake up in the set up and an improvement in our fortunes.
BreffniGael (Cavan) - Posts: 43 - 13/07/2022 16:56:59 2431921 Link 0 |
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Consistency, two Ulster Finals in a row, who was the last manager that brought Cavan to two Ulster Senior Finals in a row? How many Ulster Championships games have we won under Mickey, now compare that to previous managers over the last 20 odd years. As I said before, be careful what you wish for. Maybe he got something wrong on Sunday, but for two silly mistakes by two of our most experienced players, the result may have been different, but he has made us a lot more competitive in Ulster that we have been for many a year. In years gone by, we were heading into Ulster matches knowing that we were going to be beaten, now we can go into any Ulster match with confidence. cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 13/07/2022 17:43:27 2431926 Link 0 |
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Are you for real….. Do you think we could go into an Ulster Championship game next year against Tyrone, Armagh , Derry, Donegal or even Monaghan with any degree of confidence after what we have seen this season…. We beat London by a point ( luckily ) scraped by Sligo,Leitrim and Carlow in league (div4) matches… lost to a depleted Tipperary team before having a more than lucky win over them in the Final.. Our Taltainn semi final v Sligo was a tactical mess and we slumped to defeat in the Final with victory in our grasp….. All this shows you that we could be confident of victory over any team in the Ulster Championship going forward….?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1900 - 13/07/2022 18:19:52 2431931 Link 1 |
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We had a golden opportunity for a 'shake up' this year. Playing in Division 4 we could have blooded plenty of young talent and cut our panel of older players who've proven to be below standard and injury prone. But we persisted with the old guard and now have very little to show for it. It'll be harder to blood these players competitively next year in Division 3.
LackenQuality79 (Cavan) - Posts: 28 - 14/07/2022 07:27:00 2431962 Link 0 |
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Serious shake up should have taken place after the Sligo match. There was so much to work on after that game and a serious wake up call for the players. Obviously the fans were the only ones to see that as nothing really changed, we were open at the back where Westmeath had numerous goal chances and we looked lethargic and not up for the game with many of our big players not showing up at all. desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 207 - 14/07/2022 08:18:10 2431964 Link 0 |
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Cavan didn't play particularly well in the 3 games in Croke Park this year. A good start against Sligo but a more clinical team would have punished Cavan. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 14/07/2022 09:45:01 2431976 Link 0 |
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My sentiments exactly… Graham resorted to the same tried and tested personnel despite posters saying he introduced loads of young players… He also stuck to the same turgid system of slow build up against the lowest ranked teams in the country…terrible stuff to watch… We need an immediate shake up with a proper experienced manager put in place..!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1900 - 14/07/2022 10:14:10 2431990 Link 0 |
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By shake up I'm thinking more about changing the backroom team. Don't know what Ricey or indeed Johnstone are bringing to the set up. Defence and attack have been huge issues all year. BreffniGael (Cavan) - Posts: 43 - 14/07/2022 10:17:42 2431991 Link 0 |
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Blooding too many young players in the league is the reason Cavan ended up in division.
williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 340 - 14/07/2022 11:28:59 2432012 Link 0 |
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I don't necessarily think he should go, I'm largely indifferent as to whether he stays or goes. Reason being that I believe the problems in Cavan are cultural / systemic issues, and really no matter who you have in charge its not going to make much of a difference.
Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 14/07/2022 11:58:01 2432023 Link 0 |