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Should Referees Be Held Accountable Or Praised For Their Actions On The Gaa Field

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Tomsmith here

I have watched many Gaa games in the past year both on the Television and in person also on the wireless I have listened . I have heard a lot of great reports about Referees, letting the game flow. Whatever that means I dont know has the Referee turned a blind eye to fouls ect..
But one thing I haven't seen is any sanction being imposed on a Referee for failing to play by the GAA rule book.
I dont know where the mystery lye's in relation sanction to be imposed on a Referees who is considered to have made blatantly making unfair decisions . The same goes for the Ref who trains hard is up with the play , has a good game he should be praised to the highest.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 19/12/2021 17:36:48    2393271

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I have watched many Gaa games in the past year both on the Television and in person also on the wireless I have listened . I have heard a lot of great reports about Referees, letting the game flow. Whatever that means I dont know has the Referee turned a blind eye to fouls ect..
But one thing I haven't seen is any sanction being imposed on a Referee for failing to play by the GAA rule book.
I dont know where the mystery lye's in relation sanction to be imposed on a Referees who is considered to have made blatantly making unfair decisions . The same goes for the Ref who trains hard is up with the play , has a good game he should be praised to the highest."
i have no problem with referes making mistakes they are only human all players make mistakes in every game and so do refs it is only when you get refs with an agenda or obovious bias like Barry Cassidy in the ulster final 2020 where he got 7 major decisions wrong and all against the one team that makes me angry. What i would have said to him if i had the chance after the ulster final could never be repeated.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 456 - 19/12/2021 20:18:45    2393285

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i have no problem with referes making mistakes they are only human all players make mistakes in every game and so do refs it is only when you get refs with an agenda or obovious bias like Barry Cassidy in the ulster final 2020 where he got 7 major decisions wrong and all against the one team that makes me angry. What i would have said to him if i had the chance after the ulster final could never be repeated."
Tomsmith here

Breffni of Blue and white fame..

I feel it is a small bit unfair to mention one Referee. B C is one of the top Referees and it is great to see him perform at a high level. Cavan is blessed to have top class Officials who mostly come from small rural clubs which is great to see. I feel that where an error has been made in a game that the GAA should be big enough to say so. Why the mystery , the winners are generally Ok with the result so the poor losers are generally left to lick ones wounds and suffer the pain of a poor decision.
On the other hand a Referee who has a fine game should be publicly commended ,, Indeed more referees have super games than the odd disaster

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 06/03/2022 15:42:18    2404068

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Tomsmith here

The great Mrs T states very forcefully that thi heading is incorrect and should read ,, Referees should be praised or held accountable for ones actions during a game. She also stated ( she is rarely wrong ) that the Referee should meet the players after a game and explain his / decision. It would removes all ambiguity about his / decisions . I cannot disagree with her views

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 12/04/2022 16:56:34    2410722

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

The great Mrs T states very forcefully that thi heading is incorrect and should read ,, Referees should be praised or held accountable for ones actions during a game. She also stated ( she is rarely wrong ) that the Referee should meet the players after a game and explain his / decision. It would removes all ambiguity about his / decisions . I cannot disagree with her views"
Tom, did you ever officiate yourself? I'd imagine you'd be very impartial except when the Gaels are in action.
In honesty now give us a brief report of what you would describe good refereeing.
There are many, many instances of bad refereeing, some indeed by high profile officials.
We'll proceed with the discussion after we run your report through a forensic analysis.

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 689 - 26/04/2022 21:18:36    2413467

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Replying To Boxtyeater:  "Tom, did you ever officiate yourself? I'd imagine you'd be very impartial except when the Gaels are in action.
In honesty now give us a brief report of what you would describe good refereeing.
There are many, many instances of bad refereeing, some indeed by high profile officials.
We'll proceed with the discussion after we run your report through a forensic analysis."
Tomsmith here

Boxty eater from County Leitrim

You asked to point out good Refereeing.. Well
No 1 Ciaran Murtagh goal stands out.. He took alot of steps too many but sure a Referee couldn't blow him because of the great Goal he scored .
No2 Mulligans Goal for County Tyrone is second ,,, he took a lot of steps
No3 Was it Kevin Foley for County Meath who appeared to cover alot of ground

These 3 super Goal scorers could have been pulled up bu the Referee dident.. great Referee work.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 18/05/2022 21:24:04    2418546

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Tomsmith here
After watching the All Ireland and studying replays , I feel that a Referee should be asked to explain

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 27/07/2022 09:50:38    2434754

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Tomsmith here

In the Cavan Championship this year I have seen things that happened close to lines people who appeared to not be in the Gaa rule book.
I feel if the Referee and his lines people came into the Loosers dressing room and explained a few decisions that were made , it would clear the air in relation to the application of the playing rules.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 26/10/2022 10:25:53    2445470

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The standard of refereeing all over the country is simply appalling… I put it down mostly to the GAA continually messing with the rules and their stance on backing referees regardless of how badly they perform…. The non thought process of refereeing appointments to certain fixtures also adds to the problem

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 02/11/2022 14:36:26    2446243

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here
After watching the All Ireland and studying replays , I feel that a Referee should be asked to explain"
Your 100% right on that. They can have more influence on a game than any player and have no one to answer to for it. Players training hard all year doing their best to win something but the man in the middle can destroy that in one game without any consequences. (And get paid to do it)

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 06/11/2022 07:37:03    2446598

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Replying To Thejampot:  "Your 100% right on that. They can have more influence on a game than any player and have no one to answer to for it. Players training hard all year doing their best to win something but the man in the middle can destroy that in one game without any consequences. (And get paid to do it)"
The Jap Pot of 51 Posts

Tomsmith here from Cavan Gaels .. we are the greatest club in Cavan....
Jampot as a senior Poster I admire you and encourage you to make contributions at all times.
Yes I feel that Referees should be held accountable for ones actions/decisions.
Decisions like to award afree and actions when he signals someone questioned his decision and he moves the ball onwards or inwards maybe 30 steps.
Not fair play at all .
He should be encouraged to explain his decisions to the loosers after the game ends and after the thing settles down.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 13/12/2022 09:14:02    2450259

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Replying To tomsmith:  "The Jap Pot of 51 Posts

Tomsmith here from Cavan Gaels .. we are the greatest club in Cavan....
Jampot as a senior Poster I admire you and encourage you to make contributions at all times.
Yes I feel that Referees should be held accountable for ones actions/decisions.
Decisions like to award afree and actions when he signals someone questioned his decision and he moves the ball onwards or inwards maybe 30 steps.
Not fair play at all .
He should be encouraged to explain his decisions to the loosers after the game ends and after the thing settles down."
They are a protected species…. Just like politicians and bankers ( both of whom ruined the country ) they are never held accountable for their actions.. They do have the necessary back up and help but very seldom are the views of 4 umpires and 2 lines people ever sought…. Mind boggling

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 13/12/2022 11:48:24    2450284

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Replying To tomsmith:  "The Jap Pot of 51 Posts

Tomsmith here from Cavan Gaels .. we are the greatest club in Cavan....
Jampot as a senior Poster I admire you and encourage you to make contributions at all times.
Yes I feel that Referees should be held accountable for ones actions/decisions.
Decisions like to award afree and actions when he signals someone questioned his decision and he moves the ball onwards or inwards maybe 30 steps.
Not fair play at all .
He should be encouraged to explain his decisions to the loosers after the game ends and after the thing settles down."
They are a protected species…. Just like politicians and bankers ( both of whom ruined the country ) they are never held accountable for their actions.. They do have the necessary back up and help but very seldom are the views of 4 umpires and 2 lines people ever sought…. Mind boggling

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 13/12/2022 12:02:16    2450285

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "They are a protected species…. Just like politicians and bankers ( both of whom ruined the country ) they are never held accountable for their actions.. They do have the necessary back up and help but very seldom are the views of 4 umpires and 2 lines people ever sought…. Mind boggling"
If the GAA stop messing with the rules every year maybe refs would be more consistent.
How come we are the only sporting organisation that need to tamper with rules every year??
The last major soccer rule change was the back pass to the keeper and that was years ago.
We seem to have to mess with rules far too much

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 14/12/2022 09:18:52    2450371

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "If the GAA stop messing with the rules every year maybe refs would be more consistent.
How come we are the only sporting organisation that need to tamper with rules every year??
The last major soccer rule change was the back pass to the keeper and that was years ago.
We seem to have to mess with rules far too much"
Totally agree with you Breffni 1969… The GAA and their continues tampering with the rules have made referring almost impossible to get right… Although the standard of some referees is shocking the blame is totally laid at the GAA's door..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 14/12/2022 11:14:56    2450383

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They should be a public flogging of refs after each match

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 456 - 16/12/2022 13:32:38    2450553

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "They should be a public flogging of refs after each match"
I have heard of worse ideas ….good man

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 18/12/2022 10:36:22    2450642

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "If the GAA stop messing with the rules every year maybe refs would be more consistent.
How come we are the only sporting organisation that need to tamper with rules every year??
The last major soccer rule change was the back pass to the keeper and that was years ago.
We seem to have to mess with rules far too much"
Breffni Blue
Tomsmith here live from the Imperila in the middle of Cavan Town the home of Cavan Gaels supporters

You ask why did or do teh Gaa have to meddle with the Gaa rules.
Well I can tell you that Mr Mc Guinness and Harte were instrumential in the Gaa changing a lot of the rules.
The Gaa which is such a wonderfull game and has both man and wife ( The great Mrs T enjoys her game) as supporters and indeed participants at ahigh level.
So the need for a change in Gaa rules was not teh fault of the Gaa Hg but the implantation is the sole duty of the Referee who appears not to answerable to no one , the spectators, players, managers, water Boys, naw naw no one can question his decision.
Indeed worse and its odious to say that if a mentor, player or ateam official questions him the are liable to get a suspension from the Gaa
While I would not agree with a Public floggingI say let him come into the loosers dressing room and camly explain his actions after the game has ended

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 18/12/2022 19:41:47    2450704

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The way the game is being played at the moment they may as well bring in the offside rule!!

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 19/12/2022 16:23:57    2450761

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Having watched the refs performance on sunday in breffni and in the armagh mayo game i feel a public flogging of the ref in the town square after each match is the way to go and to get the support of the refs organisation charge a fiver per flogging and the ref gets to keep half the money. There would be some very rich refs about.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 456 - 07/02/2023 20:31:32    2457155

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