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Cavan 2021 - Realistic Expectations

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Replying To cavanman47:  "In 2019, we got well beaten by Donegal. It was 5 points in the end but in truth they eased off late on.

We followed that up with an abysmal 17 point loss to Tyrone.

Fast forward to today and we are Ulster Champions. The improvement in a year (and a bit) has been phenomenal. Mickey did the same with Mullinealachta.

We won't close the gap to Dublin as quickly. But we can definitely look to make further improvement year on year. I don't for a second think this cavan team has peaked. If they want it enough, they can become regular features of the latter end of the championship."
Well said absolutely agree with that

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 132 - 08/12/2020 11:37:22    2320161

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Replying To [email protected]:  "Well said absolutely agree with that"
My thoughts exactly. Mickey is some motivator - an Ulster medal in your pocket lets you know you are up there so press on.
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declankillann (Dublin) - Posts: 83 - 08/12/2020 12:12:50    2320179

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Underage Cavan would need to improve. Knocked out in first round of U20 and U17 this year.
There is still good players coming from those teams, but would help if they were winning.

Dublin U20 playing in the All Ireland final before the Seniors. They have plenty of top players coming through from that team

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 08/12/2020 15:30:24    2320282

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Underage Cavan would need to improve. Knocked out in first round of U20 and U17 this year.
There is still good players coming from those teams, but would help if they were winning.

Dublin U20 playing in the All Ireland final before the Seniors. They have plenty of top players coming through from that team"
You've hit the nail on the head there underage is so important we need to get back to competing in minors and under 20 and getting to semi finals and finals hopefully lads of that age will be more eager to come on board now that we've won Ulster. The structures have to be in place with proper coaches who will instil a winning mentality in them lads and of course enjoyment as well.Dont let them be fooled by how Dublin make the game look so simple they make it that way because they work their socks off MG said as much on Saturday night.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 132 - 08/12/2020 16:43:03    2320327

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Winning Division 3 should be our first objective but it won't be easy that's for sure... Back to back Ulster titles is a long shot as progress is very draw dependent... I still think we would have little chance against Tyrone and Donegal won't be so forgiving the next time we play them... If Donegal and Tyrone are in the opposite side of the draw to us then I give us a 50/50 chance of making the Final again but that could be as good as one could hope for... People would need to tone down their expectations and don't expect too much too quickly

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1045 - 08/12/2020 17:22:41    2320349

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Replying To cavanman47:  "In 2019, we got well beaten by Donegal. It was 5 points in the end but in truth they eased off late on.

We followed that up with an abysmal 17 point loss to Tyrone.

Fast forward to today and we are Ulster Champions. The improvement in a year (and a bit) has been phenomenal. Mickey did the same with Mullinealachta.

We won't close the gap to Dublin as quickly. But we can definitely look to make further improvement year on year. I don't for a second think this cavan team has peaked. If they want it enough, they can become regular features of the latter end of the championship."
I think your getting a bit a head of yourself there. Yes we won ulster but we also got relegated to div 3. So I think we are about in the middle of that. Are we better than div 3 I think so but are we a top div 1 team no I don't think we are. We are not ready for challenging for all irelands yet but we must get out of div3 and back up div 1and start staying in div 1 and get used to playing and beating div 1 teams.
While we took ulster by surprise this year next year we won't be took for granted. This was probably the first year since 97 that we beat a genuine contender for an all ireland. We might just overestimating our team a little bit.

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 08/12/2020 20:48:18    2320451

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Winning Division 3 should be our first objective but it won't be easy that's for sure... Back to back Ulster titles is a long shot as progress is very draw dependent... I still think we would have little chance against Tyrone and Donegal won't be so forgiving the next time we play them... If Donegal and Tyrone are in the opposite side of the draw to us then I give us a 50/50 chance of making the Final again but that could be as good as one could hope for... People would need to tone down their expectations and don't expect too much too quickly"
I'm all for realism, and there's nothing wrong with your post. We've no god-given right to expect a step up from this year and to be challenging for ulster year on year.

But. .

There was a real fear and a very real sense that we had wasted the best crop of underage talent in many a generation by not winning Ulster with them. The feeling was we had mismanaged them and that as a county, we had missed the boat.

That's no longer the case. Finally the McKiernans, Clarkes, Faulkners etc have realised their huge potential as a group. And they're still young men. And they've got a truly magnificent manager over them.

All the right elements are there. Of course it's not going to be easy, but we are very well placed to kick on. Its a golden opportunity that we simply must take!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4702 - 08/12/2020 21:11:41    2320465

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will there be any retirements or will everyone want to give it another crack.
Will McVeety and Moynagh be back?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1582 - 08/12/2020 22:42:49    2320505

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Grear year for Cavan football overall.

A few things need to happen to compete with the top teams in my view:

1) Full forward line- this is one area we need to strengthen up. McDermott and a D Gibney type forward would be a great addition to what is already there. There were chances in the first half to stay in touch with Dublin and we kicked too many wides

2) Speed of play. We need to be more comfortable running with the ball and having options to offload. Too many times we were turned over in possession against Dublin. However, our game has come on somewhat compared to previous years

3) Player retention. We need to be keeping players that have experience and talent. McVeety around the halfback/forward line would be some addition and option to have

McGiolla (Cavan) - Posts: 42 - 09/12/2020 07:34:23    2320537

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Win Division 3. And get our hands on another trophy. I think that has been our downfall in our promotions. We were going up after losing the league final.
Becoming a top ulster team. Been consistent.

grizlly (Cavan) - Posts: 9 - 09/12/2020 12:14:55    2320607

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The League performances have to be better. Losing at home to Claire was a poor defeat. Then lost the 2 after lockdown.

The Championship games were heroic comebacks, a average performance against Antrim and a very good 70 minutes against Donegal.
That was a really good performance but you'd judge Cavan more over a consistent basis. They will need to push on next year and be consistent.
promotion would have to be priority from Division 3.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 09/12/2020 13:05:42    2320628

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "The League performances have to be better. Losing at home to Claire was a poor defeat. Then lost the 2 after lockdown.

The Championship games were heroic comebacks, a average performance against Antrim and a very good 70 minutes against Donegal.
That was a really good performance but you'd judge Cavan more over a consistent basis. They will need to push on next year and be consistent.
promotion would have to be priority from Division 3."
l can appreciate the keenness of some Cavan players to run on to Croke Park and play Dublin in their own backyard but it was misjudged. Several pundits called for a neutral venue, but no, some Cavan players were too impatient and they won the day and paid the price. A neutral venue would have produced a different result as it did in'60. l was there and can bear witness to a great victory. Patience is a great virtue. Believe in yourselves and the Croke days will come with victories.
Declankillann

declankillann (Dublin) - Posts: 83 - 09/12/2020 14:30:02    2320664

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Replying To declankillann:  "l can appreciate the keenness of some Cavan players to run on to Croke Park and play Dublin in their own backyard but it was misjudged. Several pundits called for a neutral venue, but no, some Cavan players were too impatient and they won the day and paid the price. A neutral venue would have produced a different result as it did in'60. l was there and can bear witness to a great victory. Patience is a great virtue. Believe in yourselves and the Croke days will come with victories.
Declankillann"
Retract that.

The game was fixed for Croke Park. Cavan County Board decided not to request it he moved.

The players had no say in the matter and in truth, didn't need the distraction.

The Cavan players weren't 'impatient' as you say.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4702 - 09/12/2020 14:40:06    2320673

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Replying To McGiolla:  "Grear year for Cavan football overall.

A few things need to happen to compete with the top teams in my view:

1) Full forward line- this is one area we need to strengthen up. McDermott and a D Gibney type forward would be a great addition to what is already there. There were chances in the first half to stay in touch with Dublin and we kicked too many wides

2) Speed of play. We need to be more comfortable running with the ball and having options to offload. Too many times we were turned over in possession against Dublin. However, our game has come on somewhat compared to previous years

3) Player retention. We need to be keeping players that have experience and talent. McVeety around the halfback/forward line would be some addition and option to have"
I really do not get the David Givney hype. I seen him play for Mountnugent in Junior this year and he was very average to say the least. A county standard player would lord it in them games. Apart from palming in two goals against Tyrone a few years what has he ever done for Cavan in championship? He's 30 or over it now too.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 09/12/2020 15:31:04    2320694

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In fairness Givney was good throughout 2016 playing at full forward. He linked well with Johnston that year.
He hasn't played County since then, been in London unlikely he'll be back with County.

Joe Dillon was asked into the panel this year after the lockdown but got injured with Kingscourt.
Maybe next year if fit he'll be given a call

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 09/12/2020 15:41:20    2320699

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Retract that.

The game was fixed for Croke Park. Cavan County Board decided not to request it he moved.

The players had no say in the matter and in truth, didn't need the distraction.

The Cavan players weren't 'impatient' as you say."
au contraire, certain players took to social media saying bring on Croke Park!!! Then the County Board should have listened to the pundits who in all fairness know a lot better. Co. Boards are elected for their business acumen, pundits are given a voice because they know about football. In any event the team made Dublin WORK FOR THEIR WIN and lets hope lessons have been learned that will be put to good use because this is a young capable Cavan team who have won themselves a place at the top table.
Declankillann

declankillann (Dublin) - Posts: 83 - 09/12/2020 16:21:00    2320729

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Next year will be the big year for Cavan football. Winning div 3 and winning the Taiteann cup has to be the aim. It's only with continued success in the summer championship that we will be able to judge Cavan and the direction they are going. Np doubt the events of this year meaning the Ulster win is more low key celebrations will be a blessing in disguise for the team. I expect Cavan to take their place in the top 3 of Ulster football with Tyrone and donegal already there. But then again we will see what Cavan are all about on a summers day in the Ulster championship and thst is the aim to carry this through to next year.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 295 - 10/12/2020 14:40:52    2321057

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Next year will be the big year for Cavan football. Winning div 3 and winning the Taiteann cup has to be the aim. It's only with continued success in the summer championship that we will be able to judge Cavan and the direction they are going. Np doubt the events of this year meaning the Ulster win is more low key celebrations will be a blessing in disguise for the team. I expect Cavan to take their place in the top 3 of Ulster football with Tyrone and donegal already there. But then again we will see what Cavan are all about on a summers day in the Ulster championship and thst is the aim to carry this through to next year."
Surely the aim should be to get into another ulster final and avoid the Tailteann Cup altogether?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4702 - 11/12/2020 08:09:48    2321254

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Next year will be the big year for Cavan football. Winning div 3 and winning the Taiteann cup has to be the aim. It's only with continued success in the summer championship that we will be able to judge Cavan and the direction they are going. Np doubt the events of this year meaning the Ulster win is more low key celebrations will be a blessing in disguise for the team. I expect Cavan to take their place in the top 3 of Ulster football with Tyrone and donegal already there. But then again we will see what Cavan are all about on a summers day in the Ulster championship and thst is the aim to carry this through to next year."
Cavan wouldn't be playing in the Tailtean Cup if they win Division 3..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 11/12/2020 10:18:08    2321280

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Cavan wouldn't be playing in the Tailtean Cup if they win Division 3.."
We won't be playing in the Tailteann Cup next year anyway because we won Ulster this year. Once we even made the Ulster final, my understanding is we had escaped the Tailteann Cup.

Tailteann Cup is for Division 3 and 4 teams who don't make a provincial final.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 470 - 11/12/2020 14:07:36    2321354

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