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Killeshandra should amalgamate with arva and form a good senior championship team. they are very depleted with emigration, guys travelling etc and were forced to give pts to killygarry last weekend. there appears to be a good relationship with both clubs. hard to knw will Arva ever be able to challenge for honors on their own, they have the bones of a good team with some great players but injuries or emigration would decimate them also.
at end of day the two of them together don't even make up a full parish

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 27/04/2017 10:52:03    1983081

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There is a greater element at play with a GAA club. The local club provides much more than a platform for boys and girls, ladies and men to play sport.
From an early age it gives them identity, a social platform, fitness education, pride in their community, ownership, competition and a sense of belonging.
Even if they never win anything in their sporting careers, from an early age, children learn discipline, co-operation, team work and socialisation skills.
They learn the value of competition, how to deal with disappointment and the joy of success.
They make friends not just with their own age group but beyond that. They will get to know the older players who become their mentors, their role models and their inspiration. They make friends in the wider community and beyond.
When they move to larger schools, college or university sport provides the same social interaction as it did the first time they went to their local club to train.
While amalgamation might provide a solution for some clubs at under age, regardless of the success of their senior teams, the social aspect and sense of community is far more important, especially in small rural areas.
These areas need their local team to provide a social and sporting focal point for their community. Imagine the impact it would have in a rural parish if they closed a national school to amalgamate it with a larger school in another parish. The same sense of loss and of ownership would apply if the local GAA club lost its unique identity. Winning is important but its not the most important part of sport.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 27/04/2017 13:16:18    1983127

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Templeport lasted 1 year in Intermediate and were relagated in the league. Swanlinbar struggle when missing 1 or 2 players, as was evident by the hammering against Crosserlough in the League recently."
What's your point? They're fielding a senior and junior side. Have good numbers underage and field a team at every age group. Should they amalgamate so they'd have stayed up in intermediate? What happens if they amalgamate with Corlough and still don't get to or stay in intermediate, add another club?

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 27/04/2017 18:55:39    1983217

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Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 27/04/2017 18:55:40    1983218

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?"
Ramor is an amalgamation!! The Virginia blues (an intermediate team) where disbanded the year after they amalgamate with Maghera in 1974 to become Ramor Utd.

Maghera actually beat Virginia in the 1974 Intermediate Championship before going on to win the intermediate championship outright! They also went on to win the senior championship the same year (1974) as a Ramor Utd amalgamation (i.e Maghera/Virginia).

The 1974 intermediate winning Maghera team competed in the 1975 senior championship. However, depleted by the loss of their better players to the newly formed Ramor club could not compete and got relegated that season.

topper (Cavan) - Posts: 53 - 27/04/2017 19:56:43    1983226

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?"
A lot of these clubs were divided years ago and amalgamations of different townlands so there is precendence.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 27/04/2017 20:06:07    1983227

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Replying To FrDougalMaguire:  "There is a greater element at play with a GAA club. The local club provides much more than a platform for boys and girls, ladies and men to play sport.
From an early age it gives them identity, a social platform, fitness education, pride in their community, ownership, competition and a sense of belonging.
Even if they never win anything in their sporting careers, from an early age, children learn discipline, co-operation, team work and socialisation skills.
They learn the value of competition, how to deal with disappointment and the joy of success.
They make friends not just with their own age group but beyond that. They will get to know the older players who become their mentors, their role models and their inspiration. They make friends in the wider community and beyond.
When they move to larger schools, college or university sport provides the same social interaction as it did the first time they went to their local club to train.
While amalgamation might provide a solution for some clubs at under age, regardless of the success of their senior teams, the social aspect and sense of community is far more important, especially in small rural areas.
These areas need their local team to provide a social and sporting focal point for their community. Imagine the impact it would have in a rural parish if they closed a national school to amalgamate it with a larger school in another parish. The same sense of loss and of ownership would apply if the local GAA club lost its unique identity. Winning is important but its not the most important part of sport."
The local GAA is part of the heart of any community in Ireland. How many times have you heard the phrase for the pride of the Parish. Crosserlough is one of the largest parishes in the country and they have held together as a single entity and yet we have a situation where two of their neighbours have 4 Clubs between t.hem Ramor , Maghera, Munterconnaught and Castlerahan. Has the standard of Cavan football been helped by this approach.

Food for thought When Ramor one their first Senior Championship and St Mary's their only senior championship how many players on the starting teams were from Maghera & Munterconnaught.
I have always been of the belief that Castlerahan & Munterconnaught should form one Club with Multiple sides Senior / Intermediate / Junior

rahanman (Cavan) - Posts: 127 - 28/04/2017 00:15:12    1983255

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Replying To topper:  "Ramor is an amalgamation!! The Virginia blues (an intermediate team) where disbanded the year after they amalgamate with Maghera in 1974 to become Ramor Utd.

Maghera actually beat Virginia in the 1974 Intermediate Championship before going on to win the intermediate championship outright! They also went on to win the senior championship the same year (1974) as a Ramor Utd amalgamation (i.e Maghera/Virginia).

The 1974 intermediate winning Maghera team competed in the 1975 senior championship. However, depleted by the loss of their better players to the newly formed Ramor club could not compete and got relegated that season."
So Maghera didn't actually amalgamate . If they did they would cease to exist. So this talk of Ramor being formed from Maghera and Virginia Blues is incorrect.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 28/04/2017 13:02:19    1983348

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Replying To s goldrick:  "
Replying To topper:  "Ramor is an amalgamation!! The Virginia blues (an intermediate team) where disbanded the year after they amalgamate with Maghera in 1974 to become Ramor Utd.

Maghera actually beat Virginia in the 1974 Intermediate Championship before going on to win the intermediate championship outright! They also went on to win the senior championship the same year (1974) as a Ramor Utd amalgamation (i.e Maghera/Virginia).

The 1974 intermediate winning Maghera team competed in the 1975 senior championship. However, depleted by the loss of their better players to the newly formed Ramor club could not compete and got relegated that season."
So Maghera didn't actually amalgamate . If they did they would cease to exist. So this talk of Ramor being formed from Maghera and Virginia Blues is incorrect."
The 1974 intermediate winning Maghera team competed in the 1975 senior championship. However, depleted by the loss of their better players to the newly formed Ramor club could not compete and got relegated that season."
So Maghera didn't actually amalgamate . If they did they would cease to exist. So this talk of Ramor being formed from Maghera and Virginia Blues is incorrect.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts:4706 - 28/04/2017 13:02:19 1983348
Just reading your interesting post as an outsider and I wonder why Ramor decided to form their own club was it logistics or what as I am not very familiar with the lay out of the clubs to be honest. I know when they all amalgamated at minor level they were very good.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 28/04/2017 13:13:56    1983351

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Virginia and maghera amalgamated for senior championship purposes only while still playing as themselves in the intermediate championship.They won the championship obviously in 74 and then met in intermediate semi final of 75 which Maghera won.The ramor club as we know it was formed in late 75 but maghera felt they had the better half of the amalgamation thus decided to go it alone.there was discussions in last decade about goin together under 1 name but the Ramor name is the stumbling block for staunch maghera people so I can never see ramor accommodating them again.The ramor players that are from maghera,the Coles,mc enroe,the O Connells,Monaghan are sons of former players or staunch followers so obviously they were gonna play in Virginia

CR7 (Cavan) - Posts: 124 - 29/04/2017 10:17:15    1983433

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Replying To JonSmith:  "What's your point? They're fielding a senior and junior side. Have good numbers underage and field a team at every age group. Should they amalgamate so they'd have stayed up in intermediate? What happens if they amalgamate with Corlough and still don't get to or stay in intermediate, add another club?"
Either club could join with Corlough. It doesn't mean they would be winning Intermediate or staying up, but at least the Corlough players would be playing on a stringer team and be more competitive, then what are used too...

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2545 - 01/05/2017 10:27:15    1983736

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Ramor and Maghera wouldn't be a realistic amalgamation, despite being in same parish. None of the current Maghera team would make the Ramor team.
Maghera and Munterconnaught would more like it. There was talk of them joining a few years ago.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2545 - 01/05/2017 16:03:27    1983794

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Ramor and Maghera wouldn't be a realistic amalgamation, despite being in same parish. None of the current Maghera team would make the Ramor team.
Maghera and Munterconnaught would more like it. There was talk of them joining a few years ago."
And on the Muncherconnacth team either

RAYMOR (Cavan) - Posts: 2 - 03/05/2017 22:08:05    1984323

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