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Kilkenny GAA Confirms One Club Player Has Contracted Covid-19

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"Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2445 - 30/06/2020 17:04:10    2282401

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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The HSE in conjunction with the help of the person involved will determine who the close contacts are and will ask them to isolate for 14 days accordingly. This is a process that is applicable for anyone who is tested positive regardless of if the are a GAA player or not. If people stick to the guidelines the amount of close contacts will be minimized.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 30/06/2020 17:39:36    2282414

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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The HSE in conjunction with the help of the person involved will determine who the close contacts are and will ask them to isolate for 14 days accordingly. This is a process that is applicable for anyone who is tested positive regardless of if the are a GAA player or not. If people stick to the guidelines the amount of close contacts will be minimized."
So he, and all his fellow team mates, club officials, will isolate for 14 days. No going to work. Their immediate family, wifes, partners, children and parents also isolating for 14 days?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2445 - 30/06/2020 18:20:25    2282421

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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The HSE in conjunction with the help of the person involved will determine who the close contacts are and will ask them to isolate for 14 days accordingly. This is a process that is applicable for anyone who is tested positive regardless of if the are a GAA player or not. If people stick to the guidelines the amount of close contacts will be minimized."
So he, and all his fellow team mates, club officials, will isolate for 14 days. No going to work. Their immediate family, wifes, partners, children and parents also isolating for 14 days?"]Only those he's had contact with. But yea cos it's the responsible thing to do. We've been taking the Pandemic seriously over here. Youse should try it over there.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 30/06/2020 21:22:33    2282440

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That's a lot of people who may be deemed as close contacts & who may be out of work for two weeks. People will not be happy being out of work or if loved ones with underlying conditions are put at risk. Massive onus on Covid-19 officers to ensure all protocols are followed, ie limited numbers, pre registration protocols, social distancing & close contact, hygiene protocols around equipment, training within designated time frame & on grounds covered by insurance, if they aren't it could lead to follow on actions. Where problems may arise in these situations is where there may be cover ups or non disclosure. It could lead to pressure being applied to players to cover up events in case their club or county get excluded from C'ship. The haste to reopen & play games could have massive consequences for the country, you only have to look at the increase in the 18 to 34 age bracket in Texas & Florida as to what can happen. Last nights programme showing the frontline staff shows how tough it has been on them, we cannot place them under more pressure.
Rules & protocols may be ditched or not adhered to & could lead to further outbreaks.
The example set by the two most senior officials within the GAA doesn't auger well, when they tell people to report teams breaking guidelines but they won't be taking any action on it. Extraordinary statement from those at the highest level whose role is to implement the rules. Let's see what happens & who is going to take responsibility.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 01/07/2020 00:00:52    2282457

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surely it shows how irresponsible it is for GAA to return. Professional sports get tested, shops and pubs,etc have to have masks,shields and 2meter distancing, utensils,glasses,etc are disinfected after each person uses them but an amateur sport says its members don't need to be tested, don't need to social distance and the ball can be handled by possibly 40+ people without disinfecting? And then go home to their families and go to work and hope for the best. If people saw 30 teenagers standing around on a village green, there'd be uproar but it's ok for them to stand,tackle,sweat,cough in close contact once its on a gaa pitch?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1678 - 01/07/2020 01:24:53    2282463

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I heard over the weekend that a player from a Kilkenny club had attended training while waiting for the results of a test. If this is the player who has now tested positive god only knows how many people he passed it onto.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1142 - 01/07/2020 07:43:54    2282467

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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The HSE in conjunction with the help of the person involved will determine who the close contacts are and will ask them to isolate for 14 days accordingly. This is a process that is applicable for anyone who is tested positive regardless of if the are a GAA player or not. If people stick to the guidelines the amount of close contacts will be minimized."
So he, and all his fellow team mates, club officials, will isolate for 14 days. No going to work. Their immediate family, wifes, partners, children and parents also isolating for 14 days?"]Only those he's had contact with. But yea cos it's the responsible thing to do. We've been taking the Pandemic seriously over here. Youse should try it over there."]"We've been taking the Pandemic seriously over here."

Yeah, so seriously they've been having regular parties in Cork to celebrate it.

Cork residents living a nightmare as students host large 'COVID parties'


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Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2445 - 01/07/2020 09:11:52    2282480

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If that is the case it breaks my heart to say it but the Gaa season wont work if its not put to casual contact.

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 01/07/2020 09:17:28    2282484

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Kilkenny club members self-isolating after GAA player tests positive for coronavirus

On Sunday, interim guidance to the GAA stated that all team-mates and members of team management of a player who displays coronavirus symptoms in the 48-hour period after a training session or game "should be considered close contacts until advised otherwise by public health authorities".

The recommendation after a club player tests positive following the display of symptoms during those 48 hours is to suspend all further training and games activity until public health contact tracers undertake full close contact assessment and testing.

Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise.

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So this means the 30 plus players and staff cannot go to work for two weeks. Will the GAA be compensating them for any loss of earnings?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2445 - 01/07/2020 09:25:23    2282486

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny club members self-isolating after GAA player tests positive for coronavirus

On Sunday, interim guidance to the GAA stated that all team-mates and members of team management of a player who displays coronavirus symptoms in the 48-hour period after a training session or game "should be considered close contacts until advised otherwise by public health authorities".

The recommendation after a club player tests positive following the display of symptoms during those 48 hours is to suspend all further training and games activity until public health contact tracers undertake full close contact assessment and testing.

Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise.

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So this means the 30 plus players and staff cannot go to work for two weeks. Will the GAA be compensating them for any loss of earnings?"
Why would the GAA be compensating them for loss of earnings? Anybody partaking in Gaelic games, or any other leisure activity for that matter, has made a choice to do so - no contracts, no compulsion, purely of their own free will. We take personal responsibility for our choices, based on our evaluation of the risk involved.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 01/07/2020 10:13:37    2282497

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny club members self-isolating after GAA player tests positive for coronavirus

On Sunday, interim guidance to the GAA stated that all team-mates and members of team management of a player who displays coronavirus symptoms in the 48-hour period after a training session or game "should be considered close contacts until advised otherwise by public health authorities".

The recommendation after a club player tests positive following the display of symptoms during those 48 hours is to suspend all further training and games activity until public health contact tracers undertake full close contact assessment and testing.

Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise.

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So this means the 30 plus players and staff cannot go to work for two weeks. Will the GAA be compensating them for any loss of earnings?"
No, the GAA cannot and does not tell anyone to self isolate. What they are saying is that all activities for those in the team etc have to be suspended for 48hrs in which time they will have been contacted by the tracers to determine if they are close contacts. If they are close contacts they isolate until told otherwise.

A lot of people do not seem to understand what close contact means as to suggest that because one player even if at training had it everyone is a close contact defies logic. There is a process to deal with this, if they find that through evidence based results that things need to change then they will.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 01/07/2020 13:18:10    2282530

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny club members self-isolating after GAA player tests positive for coronavirus

On Sunday, interim guidance to the GAA stated that all team-mates and members of team management of a player who displays coronavirus symptoms in the 48-hour period after a training session or game "should be considered close contacts until advised otherwise by public health authorities".

The recommendation after a club player tests positive following the display of symptoms during those 48 hours is to suspend all further training and games activity until public health contact tracers undertake full close contact assessment and testing.

Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise.

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So this means the 30 plus players and staff cannot go to work for two weeks. Will the GAA be compensating them for any loss of earnings?"
No, the GAA cannot and does not tell anyone to self isolate. What they are saying is that all activities for those in the team etc have to be suspended for 48hrs in which time they will have been contacted by the tracers to determine if they are close contacts. If they are close contacts they isolate until told otherwise.

A lot of people do not seem to understand what close contact means as to suggest that because one player even if at training had it everyone is a close contact defies logic. There is a process to deal with this, if they find that through evidence based results that things need to change then they will."
Where in what I posted does it say anything about the GAA telling tell anyone to self isolate?

"Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise"
 This is all you need to know, nothing to do with the GAA.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2445 - 01/07/2020 17:04:51    2282573

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Replying To moc.dna:  "That's a lot of people who may be deemed as close contacts & who may be out of work for two weeks. People will not be happy being out of work or if loved ones with underlying conditions are put at risk. Massive onus on Covid-19 officers to ensure all protocols are followed, ie limited numbers, pre registration protocols, social distancing & close contact, hygiene protocols around equipment, training within designated time frame & on grounds covered by insurance, if they aren't it could lead to follow on actions. Where problems may arise in these situations is where there may be cover ups or non disclosure. It could lead to pressure being applied to players to cover up events in case their club or county get excluded from C'ship. The haste to reopen & play games could have massive consequences for the country, you only have to look at the increase in the 18 to 34 age bracket in Texas & Florida as to what can happen. Last nights programme showing the frontline staff shows how tough it has been on them, we cannot place them under more pressure.
Rules & protocols may be ditched or not adhered to & could lead to further outbreaks.
The example set by the two most senior officials within the GAA doesn't auger well, when they tell people to report teams breaking guidelines but they won't be taking any action on it. Extraordinary statement from those at the highest level whose role is to implement the rules. Let's see what happens & who is going to take responsibility."
Well look at the HSE protocols for their own frontline staff, if a doctor phones into work that they have one/more symptoms they self isolate and await the results of a test. But what of his fellow workers? they continue until it is determined they are actually a close contact, they then self-isolate until a confirmation positive/negative is given. It is no different if you are working in a shop or whatever. The key point is until you are classified as a close contact. The argument has been made about players in the open air with minimal contact etc etc but it will be up to contact tracers to decide your catagory. But there is still a bit of ambiguity about the level of contact. For now if a player informs a covid supervisor that is end of training until everyone is cleared to resume.

BTW If a player is training with county (albeit illegally) the same applies to them and the entire county team. If they have been training also with their clubs and tracers determine they are also close contacts an entire Club county championship could be wiped out by this unsanctioned illegal activity. I wouldn't like to be an officer on a county board that allowed (by turning a blind eye) a county team to train and allowed the same players to train at their respective clubs. This is a grenade waiting to go off in someones face.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 01/07/2020 21:31:57    2282605

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Whats with the GPA! stating inter-county players (illegally) training should be insured, if this was a joke I might laugh.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 02/07/2020 00:09:08    2282628

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Replying To arock:  "Well look at the HSE protocols for their own frontline staff, if a doctor phones into work that they have one/more symptoms they self isolate and await the results of a test. But what of his fellow workers? they continue until it is determined they are actually a close contact, they then self-isolate until a confirmation positive/negative is given. It is no different if you are working in a shop or whatever. The key point is until you are classified as a close contact. The argument has been made about players in the open air with minimal contact etc etc but it will be up to contact tracers to decide your catagory. But there is still a bit of ambiguity about the level of contact. For now if a player informs a covid supervisor that is end of training until everyone is cleared to resume.

BTW If a player is training with county (albeit illegally) the same applies to them and the entire county team. If they have been training also with their clubs and tracers determine they are also close contacts an entire Club county championship could be wiped out by this unsanctioned illegal activity. I wouldn't like to be an officer on a county board that allowed (by turning a blind eye) a county team to train and allowed the same players to train at their respective clubs. This is a grenade waiting to go off in someones face."
If the county team are training and the player is training with them it's very unlikely he is training with the club. However I would have thought that county teams would also be much better at managing their training to minimize the cross infections to each other so they would have designed training to minimize close contacts.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 02/07/2020 10:19:19    2282658

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny club members self-isolating after GAA player tests positive for coronavirus

On Sunday, interim guidance to the GAA stated that all team-mates and members of team management of a player who displays coronavirus symptoms in the 48-hour period after a training session or game "should be considered close contacts until advised otherwise by public health authorities".

The recommendation after a club player tests positive following the display of symptoms during those 48 hours is to suspend all further training and games activity until public health contact tracers undertake full close contact assessment and testing.

Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise.

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So this means the 30 plus players and staff cannot go to work for two weeks. Will the GAA be compensating them for any loss of earnings?"
No, the GAA cannot and does not tell anyone to self isolate. What they are saying is that all activities for those in the team etc have to be suspended for 48hrs in which time they will have been contacted by the tracers to determine if they are close contacts. If they are close contacts they isolate until told otherwise.

A lot of people do not seem to understand what close contact means as to suggest that because one player even if at training had it everyone is a close contact defies logic. There is a process to deal with this, if they find that through evidence based results that things need to change then they will."
Where in what I posted does it say anything about the GAA telling tell anyone to self isolate?

"Members of the infected player's team, including manager, coach, and selectors, must also self-isolate as per public health advice and until advised otherwise"
 This is all you need to know, nothing to do with the GAA."]You are reading from the GAAs document not what the HSE considers close contact and quite frankly that document is a mess. It says close v's casual, current definition for the GAA - by the GAA! Close contacts are clearly defined by the HSE
"Any individual who has had greater than 15 minutes face-to-face (<2 meters distance*) contact with a case, in any setting."
The GAA have been looking for the HSE etc to define training and games as casual contact which it may or may not be depending on what the individual who was confirmed as positive was doing. The analysis done for football by Statsport showed that the average time spent in close proximity was 2.5seconds per incursion. Now while there is a lot of work still to be done on it and every training session and game could be different, what it does clearly show is that the concept of all players, selectors, managers (thats a joke really, by being in the same field they are considered close contacts - what about the lad walking past the pitch!) are close contacts is illogical.
The GAAs response to the return to play has been lacking - Dr Tony has been going on about foreign travel but the GAA will allow anyone who shares a house with someone who has returned from overseas to attend training but at the same time they assume everyone who is in the field at the time a lad is at training is a close contact.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 02/07/2020 11:03:46    2282666

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To Buachaillbui:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Rumours have been circulating about outbreaks with multiple cases at local clubs."

What now? Does he(?) , and all the players he has been in contact with have to self-isolate for 14 days?

KCLR

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The HSE in conjunction with the help of the person involved will determine who the close contacts are and will ask them to isolate for 14 days accordingly. This is a process that is applicable for anyone who is tested positive regardless of if the are a GAA player or not. If people stick to the guidelines the amount of close contacts will be minimized."
So he, and all his fellow team mates, club officials, will isolate for 14 days. No going to work. Their immediate family, wifes, partners, children and parents also isolating for 14 days?"]Only those he's had contact with. But yea cos it's the responsible thing to do. We've been taking the Pandemic seriously over here. Youse should try it over there."]"We've been taking the Pandemic seriously over here."

Yeah, so seriously they've been having regular parties in Cork to celebrate it.

Cork residents living a nightmare as students host large 'COVID parties'


link"]Absolute rubbish. Theres always going to be idiots everywhere. There's a huge difference between a few house parties on Magazine rd and what happened in Bournemouth beaches last week.

And if you'd even bothered to read the link you posted, the occupants of a party were evicted the very next day. That's the difference. Not a single policeman went near the beaches enforcing S.D.

After 6months of a world Pandemic, countless needless deaths and infections, you're still questioning why some people would have to self isolate after being in close contact with someone with symptoms. This says everything.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 02/07/2020 11:07:29    2282668

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Replying To zinny:  "If the county team are training and the player is training with them it's very unlikely he is training with the club. However I would have thought that county teams would also be much better at managing their training to minimize the cross infections to each other so they would have designed training to minimize close contacts."
The issue is not the type of training, it is the fact they are training with club and county, while uninsured too. The only team they should be training with is club, because that is all they are allowed to do. If they go out with county, it is illegal and they are uninsured and if they then train with clubs they are being doubly irresponsible. It can/should be only one or the other, unfortunately it is not. It is the club championships that are being potentially compromised.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 02/07/2020 15:56:54    2282736

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Replying To arock:  "The issue is not the type of training, it is the fact they are training with club and county, while uninsured too. The only team they should be training with is club, because that is all they are allowed to do. If they go out with county, it is illegal and they are uninsured and if they then train with clubs they are being doubly irresponsible. It can/should be only one or the other, unfortunately it is not. It is the club championships that are being potentially compromised."
I hear what you are saying, as I have said before, a rule without a visible consequence and thats not visibly enforced is worse than no rule at all. However I don't think county players train with the clubs while training with the county and I am not sure that a lot of club players care. I don't think if you asked the club players if they wanted that rule would they have said yes. The conflict between club and county has I believe never been about training so why create a rule that would immediately set it up that way.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 02/07/2020 16:39:10    2282741

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