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Replying To BarneysTie:  "Good news for Louth this morning - seems like their project is moving forward nicely.

Has there been a peep about PT from anyone in authority in a long while? It has all gone very quiet. Worryingly so."
Permission was granted in February 2018. We are now approaching February 2021

3 years. Not a tap done on a so-called shovel ready project.

While I have full support for the redevelopment of the grounds to the highest potential of the masterplan. I am extremely disappointed with the lack of physical progress.

Has a contractor been procured?
Has the phasing been agreed?
What happened to the capital Grant money

If other projects commence which only began a design process after the planning permission was secured for PT I would be very disappointed.

Covid should not be an excuse but rather an opportunity to develop when seasons are.truncated and spectators are not around.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 22/01/2021 21:32:34    2328603

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our county board are to blame for the project not moving forward apart from a few that was brought in to help with this project and the rest are total un quailfed in this area and dont understand how to get things done

MCSwagg (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 25/01/2021 19:45:16    2328926

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Permission was granted in February 2018. We are now approaching February 2021

3 years. Not a tap done on a so-called shovel ready project.

While I have full support for the redevelopment of the grounds to the highest potential of the masterplan. I am extremely disappointed with the lack of physical progress.

Has a contractor been procured?
Has the phasing been agreed?
What happened to the capital Grant money

If other projects commence which only began a design process after the planning permission was secured for PT I would be very disappointed.

Covid should not be an excuse but rather an opportunity to develop when seasons are.truncated and spectators are not around."
Capital grant money is still there and was only granted 12 months ago and there was a considerable delay in that funding being announced by government, I think the problem now is that the money both Leinster and Central Council were to contribute to make up some of the cost of Phase 1 is now not immediately available due to what Covid has done to the finances of both councils, now as I mentioned before the chairman mentioned at convention that very positive news would be announced regarding funding for the project which I can only assume is being negotiated with bodies outside of the aforementioned councils so we shall see, I am disappointed with the lack of information being forwarded to supporters many of whom have already put their hands into their pockets to support this venture. Regarding a contractor there was a pre tender put out for expressions of interest to whittle down a field of potential contractors down to 8, I never heard if a list of potential contractors was picked from that tender competition

http://www.thejournal.ie/pairc-tailteann-stand-tender-4199906-Aug2018/

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3598 - 25/01/2021 22:14:17    2328948

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Replying To MCSwagg:  "our county board are to blame for the project not moving forward apart from a few that was brought in to help with this project and the rest are total un quailfed in this area and dont understand how to get things done"
Who are the few who were brought in who are qualified?

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2213 - 26/01/2021 20:01:21    2329058

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Replying To Richieq:  "Capital grant money is still there and was only granted 12 months ago and there was a considerable delay in that funding being announced by government, I think the problem now is that the money both Leinster and Central Council were to contribute to make up some of the cost of Phase 1 is now not immediately available due to what Covid has done to the finances of both councils, now as I mentioned before the chairman mentioned at convention that very positive news would be announced regarding funding for the project which I can only assume is being negotiated with bodies outside of the aforementioned councils so we shall see, I am disappointed with the lack of information being forwarded to supporters many of whom have already put their hands into their pockets to support this venture. Regarding a contractor there was a pre tender put out for expressions of interest to whittle down a field of potential contractors down to 8, I never heard if a list of potential contractors was picked from that tender competition

Yes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejournal.ie/pairc-tailteann-stand-tender-4199906-Aug2018/"
Yes Richie but the crux of the matter is that 3 years have now gone by since the project has been approved and there are very few encouraging signs with regard to progressing development.

We can look at Covid and this that and the other but prior to Covid, 2 years went by with nothing to show for.

Looking at Louth now rapidly progressing the development of the grounds in Dundalk, works in St. Conleths in Kildare and now the news of a revamp in Croker - it is alarming at the lack of progress on PT given how advanced plans were

Again you will know I have defended the redevelopment from the get go but all the talk now is little more than hot air.

Progress on such schemes is measured on works carried out but there has been nothing carried out to date. Is 2021 going to be another year lost before the penny drops.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 31/01/2021 21:15:15    2329909

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Anyone else think we should build a modular stand or two at Ashbourne's grounds. One far side from existing stand and then one behind one of the goals. Loads of space.

Modular stands are very fast to build, be up on a few months and much much cheaper. Check out the job David Beckham's Inter Miami did. It's about 1500 per seat so a 5,000 seat stand would be 7.5 million.

No need to knock down stands and deal with asbestos roof, floodlights , new dressing rooms blah blah. Class facility already there in Ashbourne with great dressing rooms, hospitality, bar, indoor training area etc.

Vanity project in Navan is waste of money in my opinion. Use what we have already in the county and build on it.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 995 - 31/01/2021 22:10:35    2329925

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Anyone else think we should build a modular stand or two at Ashbourne's grounds. One far side from existing stand and then one behind one of the goals. Loads of space.

Modular stands are very fast to build, be up on a few months and much much cheaper. Check out the job David Beckham's Inter Miami did. It's about 1500 per seat so a 5,000 seat stand would be 7.5 million.

No need to knock down stands and deal with asbestos roof, floodlights , new dressing rooms blah blah. Class facility already there in Ashbourne with great dressing rooms, hospitality, bar, indoor training area etc.

Vanity project in Navan is waste of money in my opinion. Use what we have already in the county and build on it."
Season ticket holders for Leinster have been sitting in Scaffolding for the last decade at €400+ a seat in the main stand. Far more comfortable than most.

Theheinoking (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 02/02/2021 11:28:51    2330090

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Replying To Theheinoking:  "Season ticket holders for Leinster have been sitting in Scaffolding for the last decade at €400+ a seat in the main stand. Far more comfortable than most."
Scaffolding is suprisingly efficient also and can be cost effectively be made permanent. I've sat in many stadiums on stands based on scaffolding and it's not really noticeable. It's not as if GAA has raucous hooligans who are going to try to wreck it either.

Ashbourne to me is a mix of established site and greenfield site. Just to be clear, I've no connection with Ashbourne and wouldn't be mad about having home grounds necessarily but needs must and it's a cost effective and practical idea. The pitch is a bit slopey but that could be fixed in time.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 995 - 02/02/2021 12:36:33    2330101

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Scaffolding is suprisingly efficient also and can be cost effectively be made permanent. I've sat in many stadiums on stands based on scaffolding and it's not really noticeable. It's not as if GAA has raucous hooligans who are going to try to wreck it either.

Ashbourne to me is a mix of established site and greenfield site. Just to be clear, I've no connection with Ashbourne and wouldn't be mad about having home grounds necessarily but needs must and it's a cost effective and practical idea. The pitch is a bit slopey but that could be fixed in time."
The talk of having Ashbourne as Meath's main pitch is bigger nonsense than the the 4 stand fantasy stadium Pairc Tailtean idea for so many reasons, if I had to list them, we would all have received the vaccine by the time I would be finished typing. The answer is very easy, if we can afford it, knock the old stand in Pairc Tailtean and build a new Stand (7000 capacity) the length of that side of the pitch, similar to Portlaoise or Tullamore, that would do well enough for now.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 41 - 04/02/2021 21:15:47    2330303

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Replying To Meathball:  "The talk of having Ashbourne as Meath's main pitch is bigger nonsense than the the 4 stand fantasy stadium Pairc Tailtean idea for so many reasons, if I had to list them, we would all have received the vaccine by the time I would be finished typing. The answer is very easy, if we can afford it, knock the old stand in Pairc Tailtean and build a new Stand (7000 capacity) the length of that side of the pitch, similar to Portlaoise or Tullamore, that would do well enough for now."
Well list 5 reasons then why it's such a bad idea and why knocking a stand and building a 7000 seater stand and dressing rooms is a better idea than Ashbourne idea.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 995 - 05/02/2021 11:41:08    2330326

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Well list 5 reasons then why it's such a bad idea and why knocking a stand and building a 7000 seater stand and dressing rooms is a better idea than Ashbourne idea."
Ashbourne GAA are a credit to themselves. But for this reason I'll kick things off with what comes to mind.

.) The Stand in Navan will need to be demolished at some stage ,, A temp solution for a few year is only pushing that back further. Costs inevitable rise so if looked at this in 3 years, costs could be another 5-10% higher plus the wastage on Ashbourne temp standing. If you had a leak in your roof, you'd get it fixed rather then renting a house nearby.

.) Navan is in the relative center of the county - So makes more logistical sense for all parts to Converge on it,. Your hurling supporters more so from the West would find Navan easier to get to then Ashbourne.

.) Traditional home of Meath Teams.

.)Pitch is far superior in Navan, Ashbourne pitch for all the money still has a substantial slope.

.) Navan as a town has far better facilities to cater for big match. To this end I'd imagine most away supporters traveling for a game and a night after a game would stay and spend their money in Dublin afterwards. Also most of Meat support will pile up in traffic jams at N2 at pillo roundabout & also traffic lights at Curragha junction.

Jimmycricket (Meath) - Posts: 73 - 05/02/2021 12:49:26    2330332

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Replying To Jimmycricket:  "Ashbourne GAA are a credit to themselves. But for this reason I'll kick things off with what comes to mind.

.) The Stand in Navan will need to be demolished at some stage ,, A temp solution for a few year is only pushing that back further. Costs inevitable rise so if looked at this in 3 years, costs could be another 5-10% higher plus the wastage on Ashbourne temp standing. If you had a leak in your roof, you'd get it fixed rather then renting a house nearby.

.) Navan is in the relative center of the county - So makes more logistical sense for all parts to Converge on it,. Your hurling supporters more so from the West would find Navan easier to get to then Ashbourne.

.) Traditional home of Meath Teams.

.)Pitch is far superior in Navan, Ashbourne pitch for all the money still has a substantial slope.

.) Navan as a town has far better facilities to cater for big match. To this end I'd imagine most away supporters traveling for a game and a night after a game would stay and spend their money in Dublin afterwards. Also most of Meat support will pile up in traffic jams at N2 at pillo roundabout & also traffic lights at Curragha junction."
Agree with you on the Navan pitch which is only 5 mins away from a motorway and for non Meath matches within one hour of 9-10 counties. Dun/Ash have excellent facilities and are a great club, but nowhere being a central location. Where does he expect to park the cars, or are they to be bused in?. The suggestion is one of the weaker ones made and I hope it did not take too long to dream that plan up!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2213 - 05/02/2021 15:27:47    2330351

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Replying To browncows:  "Agree with you on the Navan pitch which is only 5 mins away from a motorway and for non Meath matches within one hour of 9-10 counties. Dun/Ash have excellent facilities and are a great club, but nowhere being a central location. Where does he expect to park the cars, or are they to be bused in?. The suggestion is one of the weaker ones made and I hope it did not take too long to dream that plan up!"
Where do people park cars in Navan? I must have missed the massive carpark outside Pairc Tailteann.

Ashbourne far from perfect idea. But it seems penny hasn't dropped yet for most folk on here that PT will not be redeveloped for at least 20 years + due to financial issues which will only be exacerbated with the hard times to come in terms of the countries' general finances. You'll be sitting on those wooden seats looking up at that asbestos roof for a long time to come. Time to get real.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 995 - 05/02/2021 17:46:46    2330365

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Where do people park cars in Navan? I must have missed the massive carpark outside Pairc Tailteann.

Ashbourne far from perfect idea. But it seems penny hasn't dropped yet for most folk on here that PT will not be redeveloped for at least 20 years + due to financial issues which will only be exacerbated with the hard times to come in terms of the countries' general finances. You'll be sitting on those wooden seats looking up at that asbestos roof for a long time to come. Time to get real."
Navan has 10 times better parking, along with parking in Pairc Tailtean and in Navan O Mahonys, there is a public car park right on Brews Hill, there is parking on the Fair Green, St.,Pats, shopping centre, the Blackwater retail park, all the roads in Mullaghboy Industrial Estate, I could go on and on, all close to Pairc Tailtean and all the approach roads including the 2km of wide road from M3 roundabout to Clogherboy beside Pairc Tailtean, so many roads lead to the Pairc Tailtean stadium from all directions whereas Ashbourne is in a Cul De Sac. Pairc Tailtean is so easier to access just off the M3.
Logistically Ashbourne falls way short of Navan, If you were comparing, Navan would be Premier League location (and although Donaghmore/Ashbourne is a great club facilIty) and Ashbourne would be non league.
That is even before we would go into the politics of spending loads of money in a venue not in the ownership of Meath GAA compared to spending money on our Meath GAA property. It would be showing bias to spend money on and favouring one club to choose Ashbourne.
It is not central and too far from a lot of places in Meath.
I know this is a crazy year so when I saw this Ashbourne Idea I thought it was a wind up, somebody giving us a laugh during these tough times.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 41 - 05/02/2021 21:57:40    2330393

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Where do people park cars in Navan? I must have missed the massive carpark outside Pairc Tailteann.

Ashbourne far from perfect idea. But it seems penny hasn't dropped yet for most folk on here that PT will not be redeveloped for at least 20 years + due to financial issues which will only be exacerbated with the hard times to come in terms of the countries' general finances. You'll be sitting on those wooden seats looking up at that asbestos roof for a long time to come. Time to get real."
No we won't because if improvements/redevelopment isn't carried out then it will be closed by Health & Safety, simple as, whether your on a wind up mission here or actually believe the nonsense your peddling about Ashbourne I don't know but either way it's a pretty non productive contribution to the debate at hand.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3598 - 07/02/2021 20:38:44    2330570

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Yes the €6 or 7 million from government that was secured in 2019 is still and will still be there. It will be up to the people of Meath to stand up and be counted and support whatever plans are laid to get more funds. Hopefully the next fund raiser will be more successful than House Draw that sadly should have been good but didn't get the support in the county that it should have

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 468 - 08/02/2021 11:33:28    2330620

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Replying To Richieq:  "No we won't because if improvements/redevelopment isn't carried out then it will be closed by Health & Safety, simple as, whether your on a wind up mission here or actually believe the nonsense your peddling about Ashbourne I don't know but either way it's a pretty non productive contribution to the debate at hand."
Health and Safety have done enough harm in Pairc Tealtean already so please don't invite on to you or more precisely the rest of us. And no more nonsense about the asbestos roof, it's fine, it's not an issue while still in place.
It's the old chestnut of not knowing what we are doing that's the real problem. Generally people like to know what they are actually getting when they dip into the pocket. This applies from buying a box of matches to a combine harvester or a house to live in. Only exceptions might be a day at the races or a night out. But even then you were not going to put a bad shilling on a nag if the jockey did not know where he was going.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 776 - 08/02/2021 15:53:58    2330684

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Replying To MillerX:  "Health and Safety have done enough harm in Pairc Tealtean already so please don't invite on to you or more precisely the rest of us. And no more nonsense about the asbestos roof, it's fine, it's not an issue while still in place.
It's the old chestnut of not knowing what we are doing that's the real problem. Generally people like to know what they are actually getting when they dip into the pocket. This applies from buying a box of matches to a combine harvester or a house to live in. Only exceptions might be a day at the races or a night out. But even then you were not going to put a bad shilling on a nag if the jockey did not know where he was going."
I've referred to that in a previous post that the communication of what's happening is not good enough, the county board need to issue much more clarity on where things stand and how progress is to be achieved, it's quite frustrating so no argument there, regarding the stand and the roof well look you can't really blame health and safety, I don't know how many times I've seen people struggle and near trip on the steps due to their height and then the lack of space between the seating rows, in the modern day it's just not up to scratch, the gables of the stand roof were replaced with kingspan type sheeting years ago and the rest of it should have been replaced at that point, grass banks disappeared at grounds during the 90's yet in 2021 we still have two big ones, when we were going well as a county and money could have been handier raised they should have been terraced at least, again too much inactivity in the ground going back to the 90's, now I'm no fan of all this H&S malarkey at all but it is what it is and you have to toe the line with it, if there had been a bit more progression with PT over the years we wouldn't have as many issues we have with them as we have now where we essentially have half the ground technically closed and a stand where money has been put to loss trying to keep what is a near 70 year old structure in some sort of reasonable shape, I don't like any idea of attempting to refurbish it in any way, which I have heard mooted, because unless that refurbishment involves stripping it back to the steel structure and rebuilding the deck, it's underneath structure and extending it with a new roof then it's a waste of time and money in my view.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3598 - 09/02/2021 01:17:39    2330768

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