Did nobody else see Bernard Brogan throwing the ball when the commentators were going overboard with praise the time he won a sideline?

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 10/08/2014 21:31:01    1634646

Dosent seem right to say that we won a soft Ulster title, we went and won that game fairly ,
I'll admit we have not played as good as that lately but we should not be known as a '' bad '' team after 2 defeats,
Although that does not make up for anything for the Dublin game, I was impressed with us for the first 25 minutes and we are the first team this year to hold Dublin scoreless for so long,
The two goals flattend us but this team owe's us nothing, they have given us many great days out and gotten over wins we have not had in years and years,

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 10/08/2014 21:54:28    1634675

Former_Poster
County: Meath


You can clearly see him Fisting the ball into the Monaghan players chest and winning a sideline. Great & skillful piece of play by Brogan

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 11/08/2014 09:23:47    1634716

I might be looking in the wrong places but has there been any interview with any of the Monaghan players or management since this game? Id be interested to hear what their assessment of Dublin is, and whether they believe Donegal have what it takes to beat them.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 11/08/2014 09:32:34    1634726

Brogan clearly fists the ball to walsh. Very clever play!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 11/08/2014 09:35:06    1634727

Exactly Chriscart.
Great piece on thinking by BB.

Some posters have blinkers permanently on....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4484 - 11/08/2014 09:35:36    1634728

That was definitely the turning point Former Poster. If Bernie had been pulled for that might have been different result....

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 11/08/2014 11:01:16    1634782

Well folks….. There is no shame in being beaten by the best and we were definitely beaten by the best. I saw the dubs play against cork last year and I was also lucky enough to go to last years all Ireland final. They have got better and better. We kept with them for 25-30 mins and then came the goals and that was that.
Monaghan are a top eight side. ....but that doesn't tell the tale. There is a gulf between the top team and the chasing pack. Mayo and Kerry are probably the closest. Much as I would like to see Donegal take the game to Dublin, I don't think they can win. They may hold out longer than we did and keep the deficit down to 6-10 points but I can't see them winning. For me, I had to believe in the win as do the remaining teams. When you are there, ye always have a chance….
A post from MesAmis on our soft title last year is the thing I dislike in a very small minority of fans. We won it and deserved it. We came through our league campaign and won that too. We now play in the top tier. We are rated exactly where we are. Part of the chasing pack behind the dubs….looking at a blue blur in the distance. Good luck to all to all the rest of the teams!

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 11/08/2014 15:51:28    1635070

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County: Monaghan
Posts: 25

A post from MesAmis on our soft title last year is the thing I dislike in a very small minority of fans. We won it and deserved it.

Monaghan deserved their 2013 Ulster title.

However it was as easy a title as I've seen won in Ulster in many's a year. They beat Antrim and Cavan to get to the final! Before beating what turned out to be a jaded Donegal on their last legs that year.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 11/08/2014 16:19:49    1635091

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County: Dublin
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However it was as easy a title as I've seen won in Ulster in many's a year. They beat Antrim and Cavan to get to the final! Before beating what turned out to be a jaded Donegal on their last legs that year.

When you put it like that Mes it's nearly as soft as a Munster or Connacht or a Dublin Leinster title! :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12452 - 11/08/2014 16:28:46    1635099

One of the most pleasing aspects from a Dublin point of view is there defensive set-up over the last couple of games.

I thought we were excellent defensively against meath and monaghan and gave up only 1 goal chance in 2 games.

I think Donegal will put it up to Dublin for longer than any other team but will not have enough to win the game.

This notion of comparing this game with 2011 is rubbish. Dublin are a far better outfit than 2011 with plenty more scoring options. Donegal left one man forward and pulled everyone else back Dublin kept there 6 backs in place this allowed Donegal free men in there defence Dublin will do what they did against Monaghan there defenders will track the Donegal players into there defence and will not allow them easy possession

As already mentioned Donegal will restrict Dublin who have been avg 28pts per game but 15 to 16pts will be plenty for Dublin to win out I just cant see Donegal running up a big enough score to win.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 11/08/2014 16:34:49    1635107

Monaghan deserved their 2013 Ulster title.

However it was as easy a title as I've seen won in Ulster in many's a year. They beat Antrim and Cavan to get to the final! Before beating what turned out to be a jaded Donegal on their last legs that year.

MesAmis You also said we were overrated. We can't help it if we were drawn against Antrim and Cavan. This year we had to beat Tyrone and Armagh to get to a final and true we weren't at the same level as we were the year before. In the last two years perhaps with the exception of Donegal this year, we have beaten opposition we were expected to beat. Maybe we should have beaten Tyrone in the QF too but nobody really would call that one. We have gone from Division 3 to Division 1. How is that overrated?

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 11/08/2014 16:40:18    1635116

Sure haven't Donegal just won an easy Ulster Title in 2014. Beating a Derry team that were so bad they lost to Longford. Then Div 4 no hopers Antrim and a Monaghan that eventually got beaten out the Gate by Dublin in Croke Park.

Seems the Ulster title is as easy to win as Leinster, Munster or Connaught.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1521 - 11/08/2014 16:45:17    1635121

Our spread of scorers yet again was impressive.
10 different names on the score sheet against a defensive team like Monaghan is good going.

Donegal's midfield will be a lot more formidable and I can see Murphy further up the field against us.
If he is not, Donegal just wont score enough against us to win.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4484 - 11/08/2014 16:54:17    1635128

seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 26

Over rated in the sense that there was talk that Monaghan would give Dublin a right good game, most of this was based on them winning an Ulster title last year.

People read too much into their Ulster title win imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 11/08/2014 16:54:45    1635129

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County: Cavan
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When you put it like that Mes it's nearly as soft as a Munster or Connacht or a Dublin Leinster title! :)

Not really. Ulster isn't usually that easy to win. I think Monghan won as easy an Ulster title as is possible.

They beat one good team to win it, and that team turned out to be woefully off the pace.

Monaghan wouldn't have won any other provincial title last year. Dublin win Leinster becuase we've no one to play so yes they could be described as soft in a way. However we come back year after year and do it which underlines our superiority, same as Mayo and Kerry.

The stars aligned for Monaghan last year is all I'm saying.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 11/08/2014 17:00:36    1635133

Former Poster

I thought he threw it myself until I saw the replay

Turned out he did make contact, so twas actually a very clever move

He also blocked down a ball in the first half, and stuck one through the keepers legs

His free kick taking was also of a very high standard

All in all, a pretty decent 1st half display by BB

He really is a truly great player

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 11/08/2014 17:01:29    1635134

Brogan made a fisting action with his last hand but he clearly propels the ball forward with his static hand (not his fisting hand). That's a throw.

I don't want to take away from what others have clearly said is a great piece of quick thinking but it's definitely a throw. There is no definite underhand striking action.

I also made the point on the Donegal/Armagh thread about Michael Murphy throwing the ball several times in that game with no free or no mention of it from the commentators. I was glad to see another poster Brolly from Monaghan also picked up on this.

So my gripe here is not with Brogan who Jimbodub says is a truly great player and I agree. My gripe is with the rules and how they are interpreted and enforced.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 11/08/2014 18:27:48    1635202

Mes Amis….Monaghan had been skirting around as one of the better teams in Ulster for the best part of a decade (apart from Eamon McEnaneys disastrous spell in charge). They have contested 4 of the last seven ulster finals. Each time beaten by the best Ulster has to offer at the time. The statement of not winning a provisional elsewhere is ridiculous and impossible to determine. As I said, you can only play the teams you are drawn against. Monaghan were missing their captain and primary ball winning midfielder this championship through injury, Conor McManus was injured at the start of the campaign and overall we looked tired and jaded much like Donegal did last year. We are the smallest county in Ulster and I think only Fermanagh have fewer clubs. Yet we will play in top tier of the league next year. Did the stars align for us in our leagues fixtures too? Particularly the final where we played some excellent football. Our main problem is we don't have the depth and resources of some other teams where we can afford to carry players that are off their game or injured. They had played a lot of football with a limited panel before Saturday, I did expect us to do better but honestly didn't think we would win. The previous games had taken their toll and Dublin are superb. Not overrated at all, we are overachievers if anything.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 11/08/2014 19:05:26    1635226

Can only beat what is put out in front of you ,

MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 11/08/2014 19:14:24    1635232