hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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im not part of abig club at all and thats my point its worse outside of big clubs the attitude is one of always being bitter towards the more succesful clubs.as for the parish malarky how many of them actualy attend mass i ask?

Whats mass got to do with anything? The parish is an administrational division within Ireland; therefore each parish traditionally had certain attributes and one of them happened to be a GAA club. A parish, like a townland, village, town, city, county and province has a boundary that separates one area from another. Clubs simply became synonymous with these boundaries. However, it should be added that these boundaries began to break down in cities for various reasons a long time ago. It has nothing got to do with religiosity!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/05/2013 12:01:40    1388070

seany16
Its far too arrogant to state that a 'real GAA person puts club first'.

Indeed, quite a narrow-minded view. There are clubs out there where lads put in little commitment, are out on the town the night before games and generally play when it suits them. I dont see how people could be expected to put this type of team before a county team, where the levels of effort and commitment are now almost superhuman.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/05/2013 12:10:11    1388080

Damothedub

you know full well that having played for nearly a decade with dublin and then not being in the team at all the year they win the all ireland your feelings towards it would be less compared to being the star player on the club team when winning the all ireland,he would be foolish to not feel that the vincents win ment more to him personally that is my point.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 12:37:14    1388110

seany16
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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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im not part of abig club at all and thats my point its worse outside of big clubs the attitude is one of always being bitter towards the more succesful clubs.as for the parish malarky how many of them actualy attend mass i ask?

Whats mass got to do with anything? The parish is an administrational division within Ireland; therefore each parish traditionally had certain attributes and one of them happened to be a GAA club. A parish, like a townland, village, town, city, county and province has a boundary that separates one area from another. Clubs simply became synonymous with these boundaries. However, it should be added that these boundaries began to break down in cities for various reasons a long time ago. It has nothing got to do with religiosity!

A parish is a church territorial unit constituting a division of a diocese. A parish is under the pastoral care and clerical jurisdiction of a parish priest, who might be assisted by one or curates, and who operates from a parish church.
so how on earth do you find that it has nothing got to do with religion?the club only exists in a parish boundry because of the church!!!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 12:40:55    1388118

TheMaster
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seany16
Its far too arrogant to state that a 'real GAA person puts club first'.

Indeed, quite a narrow-minded view. There are clubs out there where lads put in little commitment, are out on the town the night before games and generally play when it suits them. I dont see how people could be expected to put this type of team before a county team, where the levels of effort and commitment are now almost superhuman.

exactly!!! also another real problem is that clubs talk about looking after their players first and foremost yet the guys who train with the club all year round and play league football then when it comes to championship the games are often postponed because of one guy being involved with the county team and set for a later date in the year simply to suit one guy and this means a guy who has trained all year round and done the hard work for the club then may loose his position for a guy walzing back in from the count team or worse having booked holidays around his fixture list then when the match is refixed may be out of the country and is forced to miss the biggest match of his year.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 12:45:17    1388123

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hill16no1man
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Damothedub

you know full well that having played for nearly a decade with dublin and then not being in the team at all the year they win the all ireland your feelings towards it would be less compared to being the star player on the club team when winning the all ireland,he would be foolish to not feel that the vincents win ment more to him personally that is my point.


Again you just dont get it , you have no right to pass off your opinions as those of M Quinn ,
Ger Brennan talked extensively about what club meant to him , I notice youve ignorned that piece as it doesnt fit with your argument .
Your opinion of what YOU think about Mossys motives for his comments of which you WERE NOT present , says more about you and your attitude than anyone else

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/05/2013 13:01:16    1388141

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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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Damothedub

you know full well that having played for nearly a decade with dublin and then not being in the team at all the year they win the all ireland your feelings towards it would be less compared to being the star player on the club team when winning the all ireland,he would be foolish to not feel that the vincents win ment more to him personally that is my point.


Again you just dont get it , you have no right to pass off your opinions as those of M Quinn ,
Ger Brennan talked extensively about what club meant to him , I notice youve ignorned that piece as it doesnt fit with your argument .
Your opinion of what YOU think about Mossys motives for his comments of which you WERE NOT present , says more about you and your attitude than anyone else

the fact that you are getting so wound up about my opinion speaks volumes on that you feel nobody should have any other opinion then the club must come first.i am speaking from a logical point of view and i think you know that quite well.
if you were sitting on the bench watching one team win an all ireland or being the main player on another team winning an all ireland which would you choose as meaning more to you? its not anything against mossy quinn or anybody else its just common sense.
yes he was talking to kids trying to encourage them its exactly what you want to hear these guys say but if you were in the pub having a pint with ger brennan im sure he will tell you that it was his dream of winning sam maguire and not andy merrigan.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 13:12:37    1388154

Check my posts again both n Dubs site and here , let me summarise
I am a clubman and a Dubs fan
I said BOTH need each other to co-exist
I said when raised on Dubs site that their was no right or wrong answer to question club or county , just personal preferences .
I said I get the best of both as I get to attend both am active in club and dont have to wait for a few sundays to get my GAA fix , I get it every time I attend club games .
Its yourself who through every post has shown distain for club scene and those that run clubs
Its yourself unable to move on topic
My opinion as stated is there is no right or wrong answer , just your own preference , you on the other hand obviously have issues with club scene ,as there is Only county for you

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/05/2013 13:58:56    1388210

thats where your wrong as its not only county for me i have been both all my life,but i 100% prefer county for those reasons that the clubs are run wrong in my view.i am allowed have my opinion and i state them reasons as most people will tell you that they do exist in all clubs politics needs to be sorted out and the way they are run is wrong.I talk about it as I would love to see it change for other people not to have to have them problems in the future and i outlined where the club scene needs to change.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 15:31:53    1388312

There is some truth in what hill16no1man says. In an ideal world you would pick your club, but the reality is many clubs are run like dad's army, with politics and personal likes/dislikes of guys who probably have too much power in the first place being far too prevalent in the everyday goings on. Many clubs are too small to do it properly and so succumb to this mickey mouse way of being run. Now not all clubs are like this, but I would say the average run of the mill club is like this to some degree. The reality is people just get tired of it, it turns them off the club a little. The county setup, particularly of more successful counties, is far more appealing than the above.
Now I disagree with his idea on county players coming back into teams, because they are off serving a bigger purpose, and probably working twice as hard.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/05/2013 15:50:22    1388336

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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Firstly, when quoting Wikipedia have the good manners to quote the source. Secondly, i said the parish is not linked to Religiosity, i never said the Parish wasn't linked to religious institutions. Be what ever religion you may, or none at all, you still live within a parish within most or if not all of Ireland. GAA clubs, and many other institutions adopted their borders as a means of division. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/05/2013 16:51:19    1388424

but most of the players dont live inisde the parish boundaries as you like to call them,so if a guy plays with club all his life then moves house to another part of the county in your parish boundries idea he should therefore no longer be part of that club?correct then what happens the player he know lives in another parish but heres the catch nearly all the clubs block transfers so the player now has no club because one he doesnt live in the parish of his oldclub and two he is not let transfer.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 18:51:06    1388533

In certain instances you are correct, albeit in the minority of instance i might add, but it really depends on what part of the country you are from. Where i live in Dublin, and i'd say this is the case for most clubs outside of the city limits, the influx of young players into a club begins at primary school. I'd hazard a guess and say that over 90% of kids attending primary schools outside of the city in Dublin play for the club associated to it. Secondary school would be similar but older kids probably travel greater distances so the figure may not be as high. Due to historical reasons primary schools are another institution that tend to be related to parishes in Ireland and the school or schools depending on the size of the area, serves as a feeder to a club. Usually where you find a school you will find a GAA club.

In the city i think it began to break down a long time ago. Competition for places, parental choice and the cost of attendance and status of a school means that kids probably travel greater distances to go to school now. Nearly every house has a car too and that has changes the logistics of it.

You are right to point out (i assume this is what you mean), that as players get older and move away from home that the percentage changes. Its certainly not 90% as it probably is for kids, it may be more like 60%. But i reckon you'd find outside the city limits, that the majority of players playing for their clubs were brought up in that area. So in that sense the parish rule still exists. There are examples of clubs that have huge influxes of non locals and indeed most clubs have a couple, but this is the exception rather than the norm.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/05/2013 20:02:40    1388585

so what you believe a parish rule should mean is that you have to join a club in the parish the boundarys of your house as a kid and even after you get older and get your own house you must stay with that club even though you no longer live in that parish boundary?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 20:36:04    1388604

No, thats not what i said; i never mentioned that i 'believed' it has to be that way, nor it is case of 'having' to join. I'm suggesting in places outside of cities that is what TENDS to happen!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/05/2013 20:57:01    1388617

but that was my original point dublin is differant to other countys

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/05/2013 21:25:19    1388638

For me, I follow both however if I had to choose I would always pick club over county. The commitment many club players give is immense with little or no thanks or recognition yet they do it simply for the love of the game.

Personally, here in Tyrone, club football is treated like dirt by the county board, with matches called off or moved to suit the county set up, even for minor matches. This is likely what leads to some of the 'bitterness' as many club players begin training in January, will play little or no football in the summer months, and then face a raft of games in October and November.

stringbean (Tyrone) - Posts: 134 - 21/05/2013 21:37:40    1388651

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For me, I follow both however if I had to choose I would always pick club over county. The commitment many club players give is immense with little or no thanks or recognition yet they do it simply for the love of the game.

Personally, here in Tyrone, club football is treated like dirt by the county board, with matches called off or moved to suit the county set up, even for minor matches. This is likely what leads to some of the 'bitterness' as many club players begin training in January, will play little or no football in the summer months, and then face a raft of games in October and November.

exactly my point also why can they not just decide to play the club matches regardless of county players availablility?
its unfair to hold games up on club players as thats their only team to play for where as the county players obviously would rather be playing county football over club football then you wouldnt have a backlog of fixtures or championships being run off like blitzs in winter.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/05/2013 13:16:06    1388906

Thanks hill16no1man for the response... makes sense!

enyoctap (USA) - Posts: 2 - 22/05/2013 14:31:19    1389002

its all about the club

tonsey (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 22/05/2013 14:43:53    1389012