Well have to agree to disagree then Orment.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 20/10/2012 19:48:56    1286011

20/10/2012 19:48:56
joncarter
Well have to agree to disagree then Orment.

Dont be wumming by delib spelling my username wrong each time you respond to me
And unless you play rugby, i would know much more about when exactly a side is well defeated and when they are not

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/10/2012 19:54:32    1286013

Just joking Ormo.I suppose there are circumstances where a 10 point defeat can mask a close run game but if Ireland were 10 points up in a match going into the last 10 minutes Id be comfortable enough.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 20/10/2012 20:56:57    1286036

ormondbannerman

yeah they may not have work the next day but they will have work that day being a friday and i think it would involve alot of players having to take time off work to play on a friday or a monday.saturday evening and sunday day time are the best option to play championship and league matches but if they are trying to get more exposure for the league then 4 big games over the weekend would be a good fit.
rotating come off it you put your best team out to win and they dont do that in the rabo.attendances are far less in that competition so it obviously is viewed as a weaker competition.
do you not think leinster would care less about rabo once they win the heinken cup.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2012 21:37:00    1286062

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I think a bad rabo campaign would hurt them more than a bad league campaign would hurt the Gaa boys.Dont forget how p***ed off the Leinster boys were when they lost the rabo final just a week after winning the heineken cup.
If a gaelic team won the all Ireland they probably wouldnt bother playing a league final a few days later.

haha are you for real come on you honestly think leinster even cared too much a week later after the rabo final they won the big competition.
the national league is run at a differant time of year to the championship so your point is not valid realy

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2012 21:39:21    1286064

20/10/2012 21:37:00
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, yeah they may not have work the next day but they will have work that day being a friday and i think it would involve alot of players having to take time off work to play on a friday or a monday.saturday evening and sunday day time are the best option to play championship and league matches but if they are trying to get more exposure for the league then 4 big games over the weekend would be a good fit.
rotating come off it you put your best team out to win and they dont do that in the rabo.attendances are far less in that competition so it obviously is viewed as a weaker competition.
do you not think leinster would care less about rabo once they win the heinken cup.

on leinster and not caring about rabo after winning the heineken cup look at any of the leinster players reactions after losing each of the last 3 finals and you will see that they have been very disapointted about not winning any of the finals especially after winning the european titles as winning the double would be an incredible achievement and theyd be the first side to ever win both the european cup and their league in the same season.
Ive also heard what ive typed from my club coach in nenagh who is a former professional player with leinster, trevor hogan.
Yes leinster/munster/ulster do rotate. They play younger players alongside experienced players to give the younger players experience and a safety net of having an experienced player beside them

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/10/2012 21:49:40    1286072

yes straight after the match they obviously going to be dissapointed just like dublin were very dissapointed after loosing the league final to cork in 2011 but if leinster were playing the heineken cup the following week and won it i dont think the rabo loss would be on their mind too much after that.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2012 11:15:21    1286109

21/10/2012 11:15:21
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yes straight after the match they obviously going to be dissapointed just like dublin were very dissapointed after loosing the league final to cork in 2011 but if leinster were playing the heineken cup the following week and won it i dont think the rabo loss would be on their mind too much after that.

3 rabo losses is an issue as the rabo is the provinces bread and butter competition that they play 70% of their games a season so losing the rabo would play on their mind quite a bit. Ive heard this view from trev hogan, former pro 2nd row with leinster who has said how unbelievably disapointted leinster have been at not getting the double on any of the occasions after winning the heineken cup

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2012 17:54:03    1286210

come on they won the heineken cup twice in them years they hardly cared too much about the rabo once they won the main competition

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2012 18:58:42    1286240

21/10/2012 18:58:42
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come on they won the heineken cup twice in them years they hardly cared too much about the rabo once they won the main competition

The heineken cup is the main goal but the provinces really want the pro12 as its the competition that makes up at least 70-80% of each provinces games each season
The pro12 is leinsters bread and butter competition that most of their games are played in.
As i mentioned previously leinster really have wanted the pro12 as winning it after winning the heineken cup would make them the first european side to win both the top european prize and their domestic league in the one season.
Ive already said that trevor hogan, former pro with leinster and my coach in nenagh ormond, said this as well when he was asked one night in nenagh

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2012 19:26:42    1286261

The national open draw would be the single greatest mistake the gaa could make.
Martin Carney made such a good point
4 groups of eight
Equality for all
At the minute some teams start there championship campaigns in early may while some dont kick a ball
until mid june. This is madness, if on a trial basis longford were moved to the connaught championship
they may well ruffle a few feathers, win a serious competition and find themselves in croke park in August.
Surely this would be massively beneficial for the gaa

atta (Meath) - Posts: 708 - 21/10/2012 20:57:53    1286326

atta...

Meath might also ruffle a few feathers if playing in the Connacht Championship! As a matter of interest how would Meath feel about playing in Connacht seeing that you yourself think it would be a good idea for Longford to play there! By the way I agree that four groups of eight is the way forward!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 21/10/2012 21:11:42    1286337

Lifford Gael
I am talking from a logistical point of view, Longford Boarders the west.
I am talking practicalities here.

atta (Meath) - Posts: 708 - 21/10/2012 21:39:54    1286354

Prov Councils want Prov championships without boundary changes - so we need to counterbalance its unfairnes via the qualifiers.
Solution - Have the losers in the QFs, SFs and Finals in Lein and Uls enter the Quals a round later than their small province counterparts - that is, Rds 2, 3 and 4 versus Rds 1, 2 and 3, respectively. So all 8 Prov 1st Rd losers (incl Muns Conn QFs) enter Quals Rd 1;
12 losers in Prov 2nd Rd (LU QFs, MC SFs) to Qual Rd 2 etc. In the Prov 4th Rd, the Lein and Uls champs go to the AI QFs, along with the playoff winner (req'd) between the Muns and Conn champs. Three champs join five qualifiers in the AI QFs.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3296 - 21/10/2012 21:45:10    1286357

rather than omahants x + y divided by z = another format of all ireland championship

why not have the provincial championships stand alone and nothing to do with the all ireland. start the provincial round 1s in may to finish in june then have the all ireland.
whatever is done to improve all ireland championship must give plenty of time for club games to be played in summer so club games esp hurling are not played in crap ground conditions in october/november

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2012 21:51:51    1286362

ormond

well you hardly expect him to come out and say to ye that once he won heineken cup thats all that mattered

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2012 09:53:58    1286389

22/10/2012 09:53:58
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ormond, well you hardly expect him to come out and say to ye that once he won heineken cup thats all that mattered

Im just repeating what was said and im sure he would know much more about how leinster really felt than you
The rabo wasnt regarded highly in ireland at all in the beginning but it is nowadays and is regarded as a tough competition to win and while it isnt as imprtant as the Heineken cup it is still very important
And the heineken cup is not all that matters

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2012 11:34:56    1286451

the heinken cup needs to be changed too very unfair syatem on the english and french clubs

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2012 12:14:42    1286484

22/10/2012 12:14:42
hill16no1man
the heinken cup needs to be changed too very unfair syatem on the english and french clubs

this isnt the thread for that discussion but the heineken cup isnt unfair on the english/french. How is it?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2012 13:05:34    1286501

well to start with its a club competition and irish clubs dont play in it,it should be clontarf and shannon and the likes representing ireland in the competition not provinces.secondly look how connaught and zebre can go staright into the heineken cup and yet the qualification from england and france to get into it is extremly tough

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2012 16:12:24    1286653