ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 3088

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hill16no1man
so not only did you call me a fool now you are referring to me as a child like behaviour and you then turn around and say im arrogant and i keep insulting you!!!
yes may protect your dental wallet but its not going to work if you cannot breathe properly with one in there are some people who have a problem wearing them and they arent all kids
You can breath properly with a gumshield in your mouth. They cover your top teeth and sit on your teeth and protect your teeth and help reduce the risk of people having to spend thousands and thousands of euro on dental fee's to repair damaged teeth.
They do work and your an idiot if you dont wear one and if the GAA bring in a policy that they are to be compulsory and you remain bull headed and dont wear one get a slap to the face and require dental work im fairly sure you wouldnt be covered by insurance so would face the full costs of getting your face/teeth fixed. Are you really going to be foolish enough to let that happen?

how can you tell me i can breath how would you know if i am able to or not,just becuase you dont have a problem using them does not mean it doesnt effect other peoples breathing.i know what they do as i own one which i got specialy doen and cost 25 euro.i have never been able to wear it and have played gaa without one since i was 6 and have never had any mouth bills which you suggest,i dont think its fair to say it should be compulsary on people if they cannot wear them.
i am no idiot so less of the name calling,it seems you just cannot believe somebody would struggle to wear one becuse you and your rugby boys dont have a problem with them.im not being foolish im being honest i find it impossible to wear one and it was a specaily customed one.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/11/2012 18:09:27    1291797

also the rules that apply for not wearing one will be a yeallow card from the ref if he spots it not in and if he spots it a second time you will be sent off thats a disgrace like next we will have to wear body armour

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/11/2012 18:11:04    1291798

02/11/2012 18:11:04
hill16no1man
how can you tell me i can breath how would you know if i am able to or not,just becuase you dont have a problem using them does not mean it doesnt effect other peoples breathing.i know what they do as i own one which i got specialy doen and cost 25 euro.i have never been able to wear it and have played gaa without one since i was 6 and have never had any mouth bills which you suggest,i dont think its fair to say it should be compulsary on people if they cannot wear them.
i am no idiot so less of the name calling,it seems you just cannot believe somebody would struggle to wear one becuse you and your rugby boys dont have a problem with them.im not being foolish im being honest i find it impossible to wear one and it was a specaily customed one.
also the rules that apply for not wearing one will be a yeallow card from the ref if he spots it not in and if he spots it a second time you will be sent off thats a disgrace like next we will have to wear body armour
Im just going by the experience of having played gaelic football/rugby since i was 5(im nearly 22) and having always worn a gumshield when playing.
80+% of people ive played with in that period have never complained about them and those that have complained about wearing a gumshield have been thankful of wearing one while playing football after getting slaps to the mouth.
The potential damage to both your teeth and wallet should be warning enough for people to wear one.
The penalty for wearing a gumshield of a yellow card is harsh enough but at least the GAA are taking serious the risk of facial/tooth injuries

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/11/2012 19:19:18    1291826

I don't agree with them but I probably will end up wearing them like everybody else.
Is it just compulsory for football or do hurlers have to wear them aswell?

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 02/11/2012 19:27:09    1291829

jackwacko

hurlers dont have to wear them only footballers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/11/2012 20:55:37    1291864

ormond

i have been playing since i was six and im twenty five and have never had any facial injuries and never worn gumshield successfully,im not saying people shouldnt wear them im saying its very unfair to make them compulsory when people are not able to wear them with breathing issues.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/11/2012 20:58:32    1291865

The H & S juggernaut is getting into gear. Youll all see the day when kids arent allowed outside the house without wearing elbow pads and knees pads (and maybe a helmet to boot).You heard it here first.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 03/11/2012 17:20:38    1292060

02/11/2012 20:58:32
hill16no1man
ormond, i have been playing since i was six and im twenty five and have never had any facial injuries and never worn gumshield successfully,im not saying people shouldnt wear them im saying its very unfair to make them compulsory when people are not able to wear them with breathing issues.
But the risk of playing without one is really too high considering if you get a facial injury and require dental work to fix your injury you are facing costs of thousands. Ive coached kids and played rugby for years and seen people complain about not being able to breathe but theyve always just remoulded the shield and its been fine.
I hope if it is compulsory that if somebody doesnt wear one and they get a slap that the GAA insurer tell the person hurt that they will not pay out as the injured person disregarded rules of the GAA

03/11/2012 17:20:38
joncarter
The H & S juggernaut is getting into gear. Youll all see the day when kids arent allowed outside the house without wearing elbow pads and knees pads (and maybe a helmet to boot).You heard it here first.
Dont be sarcastic. Its a good idea and you would be a fool not to wear a gumshield

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/11/2012 18:37:20    1292090

valley84
County: Westmeath
Posts: 263

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Who was pushing this rule?
gum shield makers?

How did players survive until now?
its health and safety gone mad

Simple. They were lighter and moved slower.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/11/2012 18:53:54    1292103

shotgunwilly
County: Meath
Posts: 192

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i know its a bit off topic, but i taught getting rid of astro turf around the goal mouth was supposed to made compulsory this year, havent seen one pitch dig theres up yet?

Why are they making clubs do this? I think it's a great idea, most goal mouths get really torn up and clubs have to replace the sod all the time.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/11/2012 19:00:44    1292109

I wasnt being sarcastic Ormy.Rugby is a very dangerous sport so perhaps it is only right that every available precaution is taken but Gaa players should have an option.
Wait til somebody decides that gaa players should be forced to wear body armour like in american football.Youll get behind that idea too.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 03/11/2012 19:16:51    1292120

03/11/2012 19:16:51
joncarter
I wasnt being sarcastic Ormy.Rugby is a very dangerous sport so perhaps it is only right that every available precaution is taken but Gaa players should have an option.
Wait til somebody decides that gaa players should be forced to wear body armour like in american football.Youll get behind that idea too.
rugby isnt a very dangerous sport and there is the same chance of getting a slap in the mouth while playing gaelic as rugby.
Everyone has to stop with the hyperbole and stop stating that players wearing a gumshield is the first step to players having to wear gear like they do in american football as ye all know that will never happen
And no i wouldnt agree with that.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/11/2012 14:39:16    1292319

ormond

but if it hinders your performance by not being able to breathe comfortably surely that is a major problem to players is it not?
i agree with the other poster under armour will be next also i suppose with all the cruciate knee injurys surprised knee pads are not being made compulsary there was hardly any facial injuries in comparison to cruciate knee injuries.not surprisingly if you google this every dentist in ireland is congratulating the gaa on this and giving their backing no doubt they were pushing this for money reasons.
health and safety is destroying everything nowadays and the gaa is giving into this we have played the game for nearly 130 years now how have we managed to survive until now,just like the grounds around the counttry capacitys being cut its ridiculous to see parnell park even got cut from 10 thousand to 9 thousand god only knows why

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/11/2012 17:54:47    1292460

04/11/2012 17:54:47
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
ormond, but if it hinders your performance by not being able to breathe comfortably surely that is a major problem to players is it not?
i agree with the other poster under armour will be next also i suppose with all the cruciate knee injurys surprised knee pads are not being made compulsary there was hardly any facial injuries in comparison to cruciate knee injuries.not surprisingly if you google this every dentist in ireland is congratulating the gaa on this and giving their backing no doubt they were pushing this for money reasons.
health and safety is destroying everything nowadays and the gaa is giving into this we have played the game for nearly 130 years now how have we managed to survive until now,just like the grounds around the counttry capacitys being cut its ridiculous to see parnell park even got cut from 10 thousand to 9 thousand god only knows why
Dont be getting into hyperbole about about the knee pads, under armour etc.
It is nothing to do with "health and safety nonsense" and health and safety is certainly not "destroying everything". How is it?
Country grounds are reduced in capacity for proper reasons by people who know what they are doing so excuse me if people believe them rather than some anonymous nobody on the internet.
I know from experience playing gaelic football of the dangers of not wearing a gumshield

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/11/2012 20:09:22    1292580

Gumshield or no gumshield, if you worry about getting injuries from playing ball then just retire. The reason they are coming is that the GAA insurance is dictating so. Yet the insurance affiliations for teams wont go down?
The GAA insurance levies are crazily high, yet if a lad has vhi then he has to use it first. With the helmets already in, and gumshields coming, surely team insurance at the start of the year will decrease????

theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 04/11/2012 20:48:01    1292606

What about Croke Park making funds or grants available for ALL club youth teams in respect of this?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 04/11/2012 21:46:31    1292648

Gumshields, hmmm, in Basketball they don't wear them and yeah it is a CONTACT sport, because it DOES effect breathing - players with asthma will be severely penalised. It has to be down to choice, unfortunately the GAA doesn't operate like that anymore. You can be certain insurance costs will NOT go down and another certainty, the statistics for dental claims will remain the same - because on full contact they are useless.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 04/11/2012 21:50:16    1292650

Insurance purposes exactly, the GAA have to be seen to be taking action by their insurers or face bigger premiums and more claims against them; this appears to be a disclaimer of sorts.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 04/11/2012 21:54:20    1292654

04/11/2012 21:50:16
arock
Gumshields, hmmm, in Basketball they don't wear them and yeah it is a CONTACT sport, because it DOES effect breathing - players with asthma will be severely penalised. It has to be down to choice, unfortunately the GAA doesn't operate like that anymore. You can be certain insurance costs will NOT go down and another certainty, the statistics for dental claims will remain the same - because on full contact they are useless.
Players with asthma wear gumshields in rugby and are not "severely penalised" so why would hurling/football players be "severely penalised?
A gumshield on full contact is very useful and does protect your teeth. how are they "useless"

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/11/2012 14:54:06    1292923

ormondbannerman

how am i getting hyperbole surely there would be more cause for to stop knee injuries as there is more of them in gaa then teeth injuries.
tell me where in parnell park there should be 1 thousand less people not allowed then last year nothing has changed with the ground its seated or concrete the whole way around id love to know where the 1 thousand less in the ground will be coming from.no need to try insult me by calling me a nobody what makes you an expert oh becuase you play rugby sooooorrrrrrryyyyyyy and know you put in you have experiance playing gaelic football and know the dangers i have never worn one and have never had facial injury once so what makes your case better then mine.
you see thats my point its unfair to force people to wear them just becuase some people feel they need them.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/11/2012 16:56:22    1292996