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Time For Someone In GAA Authority To Say STOP

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Replying To Viking66:  "In the general scheme of things we aren't a big county. No cities and no really big towns even. We aren't overly successful in hurling or football this Millennium either. A couple of Leinster finals at football and a couple of provincial titles in hurling. But we still fund our intercounty teams ourselves. Tbh if you produced a breakdown of the spend on the Kildare footballers instead of the combined figures you published earlier there would only be a handful of intercounty teams, hurling or football, that had more money spent on them in 2017. Presuming this is still the case, and coupled with the underage success Kildare have enjoyed over the last 10 years, it really does make you wonder why they are so uncompetitive. I'd say you would need to look for the answers to this question within the county Brianb."
I would say Kildare are now towards the top of the chasing pack. If we go back 10 years when Kildare were genuinely competitive it nearly bankrupted the county board. This firms it up more in mind that money goes a long way towards success.

You rightly point out that Kildare have had a reasonable degree of under age success in the past 10 years. It hasn't translated to Senior level yet. Hopefully it will. Maybe the answer is within the county but I've a feeling a big part of the Underage - Senior difference is due to the rumored 800k AIG give Dublin each year against the rumored 100K Brady Ham give to Kildare.

Tyrone did buck the trend last year to show it is still possible to win on a smaller budget - especially when the big spenders are unable to spend as normal due to covid regulations.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 279 - 02/06/2022 16:21:37    2421830

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Replying To AntrimJim:  "Within the counties who are splashing huge amounts of sponsorship on 25 person backroom teams, do you not think if that team is not delivering at the very least a provincial final or All Ireland semi final - that some of that budget should then be distributed down to developing the clubs in the county and therefore providing the youth a chance to develop to a higher standard?"
I think the ethos of the GAA as an amateur organisation is to give as many people as possible a chance to play. I think most of the budget should be distributed down to clubs to develop playing facilities and provide young kids a chance to develop to as high a standard as possible - regardless of weather the county team delivers or not.

Look at the news story recently about the Kerry hurling team and the cost of staying in Dublin for the McDonagh cup final. Kerry Hurling would need to cover this. Not every county would need to travel as far for big games. Why can't central funds take care of travel to and from matches along with overnight stays for agreed matches? Surely the GAA would be able to do a deal with the Croke Park hotel to have 50 rooms set aside for Players ahead of named big matches each year. But no - the choice for Kerry and Antrim is to stay and get the best chance at success or send thousands of euro worth of hurling equipment to their clubs.

The cost of preparing the teams should be fair and equitable. The bigger counties with more players would still probably win most of the time but everyone would have a fair shot.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 279 - 02/06/2022 16:32:09    2421831

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Replying To Jinxie:  "List the 5 Ulster teams Who are capable of beating Dublin in the Championship."
Let's be honest, there aren't 5 teams un Ireland capable of beating Dublin in the Championship.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 648 - 02/06/2022 17:05:04    2421838

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Replying To AntrimJim:  "Within the counties who are splashing huge amounts of sponsorship on 25 person backroom teams, do you not think if that team is not delivering at the very least a provincial final or All Ireland semi final - that some of that budget should then be distributed down to developing the clubs in the county and therefore providing the youth a chance to develop to a higher standard?"
Alot of the money spent on county teams has to do with travel and hotel bills etc. so the more games a team plays outside its province the more money is needed.Allso with the mileage rate players travelling long distances to training have to have their mileage covered so some counties have more costs than others.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 02/06/2022 21:03:25    2421871

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Replying To AntrimJim:  "Within the counties who are splashing huge amounts of sponsorship on 25 person backroom teams, do you not think if that team is not delivering at the very least a provincial final or All Ireland semi final - that some of that budget should then be distributed down to developing the clubs in the county and therefore providing the youth a chance to develop to a higher standard?"
Alot of the money spent on county teams has to do with travel and hotel bills etc. so the more games a team plays outside its province the more money is needed.Allso with the mileage rate players travelling long distances to training have to have their mileage covered so some counties have more costs than others.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 02/06/2022 21:10:18    2421872

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Replying To brianb:  "I would say Kildare are now towards the top of the chasing pack. If we go back 10 years when Kildare were genuinely competitive it nearly bankrupted the county board. This firms it up more in mind that money goes a long way towards success.

You rightly point out that Kildare have had a reasonable degree of under age success in the past 10 years. It hasn't translated to Senior level yet. Hopefully it will. Maybe the answer is within the county but I've a feeling a big part of the Underage - Senior difference is due to the rumored 800k AIG give Dublin each year against the rumored 100K Brady Ham give to Kildare.

Tyrone did buck the trend last year to show it is still possible to win on a smaller budget - especially when the big spenders are unable to spend as normal due to covid regulations."
Up to your county board to address that difference Brian. Hopefully the underage to Senior issue will be addressed soon. Leinster football needs a competitive Kildare. And Meath too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 02/06/2022 21:39:25    2421876

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Replying To ponga:  "Let's be honest, there aren't 5 teams un Ireland capable of beating Dublin in the Championship."
I'd say it is just Kerry and that is it. And nearly always has been.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 03/06/2022 09:52:17    2421899

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Alot of the money spent on county teams has to do with travel and hotel bills etc. so the more games a team plays outside its province the more money is needed.Allso with the mileage rate players travelling long distances to training have to have their mileage covered so some counties have more costs than others."
The GAA is full of sheep though, if we had something in the last 10 years every county had to have it. If Dublin had 5 masseurs then every county needed to have 5 masseurs.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 03/06/2022 10:00:10    2421901

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Replying To s goldrick:  "the thing is though that If Dublin or Kerry for that matter had to donit like Derry did this year and peak for Monaghan then peak for Tyrone and then peak again for Donegal and do that every year they may not be in such fine fettle by the time the all-ireland semi-final comes around. The very fact that no matter who you are in Ulster you cant be below your best on any given day or you could be beaten makes it difficult to sustain that level for 6 or 7 games in a row. Granted at the moment Dublin and Kerry are better than every county in Ulster come championship time but when they are not at 100% and dont have all their players fully fit and available and have to play 6 or 7 games in a row against div 1 teams (like they do in the league) then they tend to lose a few games. So it's all about preperation and being able to peak every year for either a provincial final ( when the likes of Cork , Meath and Kildare are in form , which hasn't been the case lately) or more than likely a quarter or semi-final. The Ulster teams don't have that luxury. Even Tyrone, Armagh or Donegal in their pomp could never come in to an Ulster preliminary or first round ill-prepared or leggy from too much training for fear of being ambushed by any opponent."
When Tyrone had a really good team in the first decade of this century it was often said Tyrone didn't care for the Ulster championship and were focused on on peaking for the latter stages of the championship.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 03/06/2022 11:59:24    2421948

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Alot of the money spent on county teams has to do with travel and hotel bills etc. so the more games a team plays outside its province the more money is needed.Allso with the mileage rate players travelling long distances to training have to have their mileage covered so some counties have more costs than others."
You are right. But if analysis was done of where all the money goes I am sure there has to be wastage that would be better spent on developing the longevity of the underage in the county.

AntrimJim (Antrim) - Posts: 39 - 03/06/2022 12:02:38    2421950

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "I'd say it is just Kerry and that is it. And nearly always has been."
Other counties have had golden periods but Kerry and Dublin have won well over half the championships ever played. Probably 2/3 even.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 03/06/2022 13:25:31    2421990

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Replying To legendzxix:  "We travel for an All-Ireland final, away from the comfort of home advantage!
Kerry v Dublin in Thurles 2001, Dublin declined the option of a toss of a coin for home advantage."
Good man Legend, you tell him. But you are in a hurling province of course so your annual bye into the qtr finals, and semi finals as it used to be, counts a lot more than the geographical position of our national gaelic games HQ. Kerry won an AI in 1980 playing just 3 games. Must be great to have that advantage.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/06/2022 14:01:55    2422004

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