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Replying To TippRed:  "Ciaran Whelan mentioned something on the Sunday Game last week about the GAA looking at a league format in the provinces, feeding into the AI series. Could be interesting?

In Leinster have 2 groups of 5 & 6 teams, all play each other. Top 2 from each group go into provincial semi finals. All other teams go into Tailtean Cup.

In Ulster a group of 5 & 4 teams, top 2 in each into provincial semis and the rest into Tailtean Cup.

In Munster and Connacht, same format with a group of 5/6/7 in Connacht depending on London/New York and 6 in Munster.

To facilitate all the extra games, maybe the National league could be condensed into the smaller groups like this this year to provide the time to play all the games?"
Do we actually watch more games between mismatched teams.

Is anyone crying out for Waterford to now go on and play Cork, Kerry, Clare and Tipperary now that they've gotten hammered by Limerick? Sligo v Roscommon, Galway and Leitrim isn't all that exciting since they've lost to Mayo.

The Provincials are providing the games we need of them as is, lets not drag them out any further. It's not the same as the hurling where teams are evenly matched.

It's not free either. There's only really around 16-18 game weeks that can be scheduled to allow the games to be played in February to July and allow for adequate rest weekends.

Let's not waste them on more provincial fixtures no one wants.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 03/07/2021 10:51:03    2355546

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Replying To Ban:  "Give me 3 leagues, promotion and relegation in place. Top 4 in Division one go into the All-Ireland semi-finals.

If Counties are not happy with that cause they cant compete for Sam, they how about getting promoted through the divisions and maybe when you arrive in the top flight, you maybe in a place to make a decent go at it!"
I think you could keep the Provincials, run 2 streams to qualify for the All Ireland series.

League stream 3 divisions, top 4 in 12 team division 1 to the All Ireland.

Stream 2 Provincial championships, 4 champions to All Ireland.

You qualify twice you're get a bye to the semifinals, qualify once and you have to play a quarterfinal.

Last year you'd Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Tyrone as the top 4 from the league.

Cavan, Tipperary, Dublin, Mayo Provincial champions.

Quarterfinals would be:

League 1 Kerry v 4th ranked Provincial champion Tipperary
League 4 Tyrone v 2nd best ranked Provincial champion Mayo

Winners meet in semifinals

League 2 Dublin receive a bye as a Provincial champion
League 3 Galway v 3rd ranked Provincial champion Cavan

Winners meet in semifinals

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 03/07/2021 12:23:42    2355567

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Do we actually watch more games between mismatched teams.

Is anyone crying out for Waterford to now go on and play Cork, Kerry, Clare and Tipperary now that they've gotten hammered by Limerick? Sligo v Roscommon, Galway and Leitrim isn't all that exciting since they've lost to Mayo.

The Provincials are providing the games we need of them as is, lets not drag them out any further. It's not the same as the hurling where teams are evenly matched.

It's not free either. There's only really around 16-18 game weeks that can be scheduled to allow the games to be played in February to July and allow for adequate rest weekends.

Let's not waste them on more provincial fixtures no one wants."
Probably agree with you ok. No more mis matches. What they could do is have mini groups in the provinces, say Leitrim, Sligo, London ,NY and the winner coming out to play in the semi against Mayo, Ros or Galway. Same thing in Munster with Cork and Kerry waiting. It might give more meaningful matches. There are still people in power in the provinces who won't want to relinquish their roles.

Re the hurling, I don't think all teams are matched, in Leinster, anywy. With all due respect to those coming up from J McD, they normally are no match for the Big 4 there already. It's refreshing to see 6 teams in the Leinster round robin when it starts again next year. At least there will be some competition for the two teams coming up, with the hope that they will learn from the experience of playing the bigger teams

TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 03/07/2021 14:03:28    2355589

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Something like this would be a good idea. In Tipperary senior hurling they have groups of 4 competing in the senior championship, with the top 2 from each group progressing to knockout. These are joined by the 4 divisional championship winners, where the divisions are played on a straight knockout basis. Basically, there are two chances to progress. If you fail through your group, you can always come back in by winning your division.

TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 03/07/2021 14:10:16    2355591

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Replying To TippRed:  "Probably agree with you ok. No more mis matches. What they could do is have mini groups in the provinces, say Leitrim, Sligo, London ,NY and the winner coming out to play in the semi against Mayo, Ros or Galway. Same thing in Munster with Cork and Kerry waiting. It might give more meaningful matches. There are still people in power in the provinces who won't want to relinquish their roles.

Re the hurling, I don't think all teams are matched, in Leinster, anywy. With all due respect to those coming up from J McD, they normally are no match for the Big 4 there already. It's refreshing to see 6 teams in the Leinster round robin when it starts again next year. At least there will be some competition for the two teams coming up, with the hope that they will learn from the experience of playing the bigger teams"
Yeah that's fair on the Leinster Hurling. I guess the thing is that there has to be some pathway for weaker counties to progress and potentially improve their level.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 03/07/2021 15:52:55    2355624

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think you could keep the Provincials, run 2 streams to qualify for the All Ireland series.

League stream 3 divisions, top 4 in 12 team division 1 to the All Ireland.

Stream 2 Provincial championships, 4 champions to All Ireland.

You qualify twice you're get a bye to the semifinals, qualify once and you have to play a quarterfinal.

Last year you'd Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Tyrone as the top 4 from the league.

Cavan, Tipperary, Dublin, Mayo Provincial champions.

Quarterfinals would be:

League 1 Kerry v 4th ranked Provincial champion Tipperary
League 4 Tyrone v 2nd best ranked Provincial champion Mayo

Winners meet in semifinals

League 2 Dublin receive a bye as a Provincial champion
League 3 Galway v 3rd ranked Provincial champion Cavan

Winners meet in semifinals"
Jim McGuiness has a format like this. Top 11 in the Leagues + Tier 2 champions and 4 provincial winners. League won't be reduced to 3 divisions.

To make it more interesting it could be top 4 in Division 1 into the SFs and 5th, 6th plus Division 2 promoted teams + 4 provincial champions in QFs.

Personally I'm not a fan of having two pathways and would rather have the competitions separate. Let the provincials be their own thing.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 03/07/2021 16:32:06    2355646

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Jim McGuiness has a format like this. Top 11 in the Leagues + Tier 2 champions and 4 provincial winners. League won't be reduced to 3 divisions.

To make it more interesting it could be top 4 in Division 1 into the SFs and 5th, 6th plus Division 2 promoted teams + 4 provincial champions in QFs.

Personally I'm not a fan of having two pathways and would rather have the competitions separate. Let the provincials be their own thing."
If the Provs must be retained, it would be best to have the two-path link.

With respect to the great Uls Champp, and to a lesser extent Conn, the Provs lack interest (understatement).

Should we do the same as hurling ? - two Champps - but instead of Muns & Lein (effectively, the Rest) - have Ulster (9) & the Rest (23).

Rest (23) - 9 byes to Rd 2, 14 to Rd 1.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2567 - 03/07/2021 19:11:07    2355704

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Replying To lor12:  "DUBLIN V LONDON"
Fix!

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1023 - 04/07/2021 22:02:13    2356280

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