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Are we saying that one of the most experienced referees in the country doesn't understand the game ? I think it was more of a case of the refs vision being blocked rather than being too far away from the play today. I wouldn't see an issue with policing 6 steps, but not 4. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/06/2021 19:15:19 2353878 Link 1 |
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Soloing is a dying art. I don't know if most modern players can even solo, you rarely see them do it. And if they do, half the time they over-hit it. All it would take would be a couple of zero tolerance games. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 27/06/2021 19:38:58 2353887 Link 0 |
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Brennan was being fouled as defender had hands on his back causing him to need extra steps to keep his balance and stay on his feet. If he had gone down it would be a penalty and black card for defender for denying clear goal scoring chance. In effect Donegal were disadvantaged as they would have scored a goal from the penalty and had an extra man for 10 minutes. HEREBENJI (Donegal) - Posts: 421 - 27/06/2021 20:53:34 2353913 Link 3 |
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12! Not in the rules, if he cant get this right we dont need refs like him simples.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 27/06/2021 22:12:20 2353949 Link 1 |
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Being allowed to pull players to the ground isn't in the rules either, but it's ok for some teams to do it apparently.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/06/2021 22:32:23 2353964 Link 0 |
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I don't recall anyone saying we need professional refs. Just refs that can count to 4. Is the ability to count to 4 worthy of renumeration in your eyes? I hope you wear a helmet whenever you leave the house Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 27/06/2021 23:55:18 2353999 Link 3 |
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Good point. This has been going on for years. Mayo scored a late league goal v Donegal a few years ago after taking about 8/9 steps. If the ref thought he was being fouled his hand should have been up for advantage. It wasn't therefore 12 steps is a technical foul and free out. Didn't have any relevance today but in a tight game could be the difference.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 28/06/2021 00:35:27 2354003 Link 1 |
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Who said it was ok?
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/06/2021 09:51:23 2354040 Link 1 |
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So you wait for someone to tell you what common sense is ? Perhaps it's players we need who can count to four. Actually I do wear a helmet when I take my Harley out. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/06/2021 11:52:27 2354085 Link 0 |
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It's very easy to give out about the ref and joke that he can't count to four and so on, but what about the Donegal player, I assume he can count to four. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/06/2021 12:08:19 2354093 Link 1 |
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No form of cheating is ok, whether it's pulling players to the ground or taking 12 steps to score a goal. Most people are focusing in on the ref, when it's the cheaters they should be vilifying. All these cheaters need to be called out and especially those who's actions lead to a score or actions which prevent an opponent from scoring. There is a big difference between mistimed or poorly executed tackling than blatant cheating or someone taking 5 or 6 steps because players move at such speed today that by the time you have initiated the action after 4 steps it's very easy to have taken 1 or 2 more by the time it's completed, so there's no real issue there. Horrible lack of integrity creeping into the GAA and especially in Gaelic football. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/06/2021 12:25:53 2354106 Link 1 |
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You own a Harley? Heaven help us. You see, players can count to 4,the reason they take so many steps, is BECAUSE the ref either can't, or simply doesn't enforce the rule, hence the criticism. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 28/06/2021 12:32:39 2354111 Link 0 |
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There are many rules and laws in every walk of life which there's either lax or very little enforcement or illegal actions which individuals or groups may do with very little chance of being caught, but it still doesn't mean it's ok to break them.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/06/2021 12:49:12 2354123 Link 0 |
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Galway just scored a goal in the hurling. He took about 10 steps and no foul on him. thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 03/07/2021 15:05:24 2355600 Link 1 |
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This is one of the existing rules that would influence how the game is played. There are others like the constant throwing of the ball and the free hand tugging. Players know they are going to get away with these infringements. I think the refs are trying to leave the game flow by not calling the tugging and allowing the player take extra steps because of it. The problem with that is he is now reluctant to call any over stepping or we see a player who takes an extra step to get away from a grab called. It has happened several times this year already. This is the wrong way of dealing with these fouls. It is simple really. The ref goes to both dressing rooms before the game. This is how I will ref. If you take more than the allowed steps with the ball I will call you. If I do not see separation between the ball and your hand with elbow moving back I will call it. If I see your free hand any where near an opponent I will call it. There may be lots of frees at the start but these smart players will know what they can not get away with. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 03/07/2021 16:00:35 2355630 Link 0 |
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In fairness I think Whelan may have been fouled. At least the referee seemed to have his hand raised to signal advantage but then committed the common mistake of allowing far too many steps. Referees (and "expert" analysts) need to appreciate that playing the advantage does not mean that the fouled player can then take as many steps as he likes. If the fouled player goes on to commit a foul himself, the correct decision is to award a free for the initial foul. This is what Sean Hurson did in the Kerry-Dublin game and he got huge criticism for not allowing Moynihan's "goal" to stand after he took eleven steps.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 03/07/2021 16:28:44 2355643 Link 2 |
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Yes indeed. The steps rule is being ignored by refs in both codes over the last few years. 4 steps is the rule in both codes. Also in hurling some players are still throwing the ball. It all depends on who is reffing.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 03/07/2021 16:29:14 2355644 Link 0 |
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Absolutely. I wouldn't have a problem with perhaps 1 or 2 extra steps to break a tackle get away from a man initially. In that particular piece of play that I mentioned above the Galway man just galloped towards the goal and buried it. Crazy refereeing. I really felt for Dublin at that time because I thought Galway might have kicked on and won. Thankfully they didn't and Dublin deservedly saw out the victory. What struck me was that the commentators or indeed the Dublin players didn't say a word or protest. It's almost as if it's accepted now that players can fo this. Last week a donegal man took maybe 13 steps and buried it. It's about time someone put there hand up and said hold on a minute, this has to stop. thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 03/07/2021 16:32:46 2355647 Link 0 |