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People are straying of the point..... l believe the club should come first in all cases.. if it weren't for them Counties could not function but the top brass don't care about the club's because it doesn't keep them in the limelight... when safe and the go ahead is given why not start with the club scene like last season... I think a lot of these people wanting inter country stuff back first probably have no real club identity to start with.... ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 25/02/2021 22:31:43 2332773 Link 0 |
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I see one of the issues when arguing the elite status is what makes an inter county player in the current times (loads of free time etc) an elite athlete vs the club player who can dedicate the same time to their training, nutrition etc. What helps inter county players are the professional service providers who monitor, prescribe the appropriate training at the right time of the year tho them. These services are often creditors to county boards. You have county boards operating with reduced or little income or funding. So can the Gaa actually afford to be elite / professional. How much does one training session cost a county board? LOI clubs budget for professional staff / service providers and often have contracts in place. NewLad2021 (Donegal) - Posts: 7 - 26/02/2021 00:02:51 2332777 Link 0 |
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Lockjaw, most of the women's international rugby team are amateur. A small percentage of the squad play sevens. Those who play sevens are paid. Part of their contractual obligation requires those who play sevens to work as Games Promotion Officers. That entails working in the community. Most of the squad are either students or they are working outside of rugby. Some are teachers. Others are health care professionals. According to Stephen McGuinness of the PFAI the women's National League is fully amateur. I know a player who plays for one the top teams. She told me the players in her club are not paid nor do they receive any expenses. Stephen McGuinness also said that whilst all players in The Premier Division of The LOI receive payment for playing some players augment their wages and work outside soccer. When asked about the First Division Stephen McGuinness said the First Division was a mix of part time and amateur teams. It's safe to say that every player in the First Division who is not a student needs to work outside of soccer. All anyone is looking for is an equitable application of the term elite when it comes to determining who can and cannot play. Current government policy does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny. It begs the question why is the leadership of the GAA so meek in the face of what appears to be discrimination against inter county players? Has the leadership an ulterior motive?
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/02/2021 00:31:38 2332778 Link 0 |
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Absolutely correct Killingfields.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/02/2021 00:33:36 2332779 Link 0 |
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By your definition the majority of people who have been classified as elite by the government shouldn't have been so. Your definition of professional/elite was and I quote "professional players who will not be returning to work places and mixing with others outside their bubble." That would preclude some players in the Premier Division of the LOI from playing. It would preclude all players in the First Division of the LOI from playing. It would also preclude the women's National League in soccer from going ahead. It would also preclude the women's international rugby team from playing in the upcoming Six Nations. Remember that the women's rugby team will be travelling to both France and Wales. France has seen over 85,000 people lose their lives to Covid. Your definition as quoted would mean that all of the players I referred to above could not play. My question to you is should they be allowed to play?
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/02/2021 00:53:43 2332780 Link 2 |
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If ye open your eyes you'll see most people want clubs back first but don't say our county players are not near semipro or elite if ye want to use that word.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 26/02/2021 09:43:35 2332791 Link 3 |
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Once there is professional players within a sport that sport is deemed elite and allowed to continue under current restrictions... There are no professional players in the GAA ( or shouldn't be ) ruling them as non elite... There must be a lot of empty space in some people's heads when every detail has to be spelled out.... Just get over yourself.. it's only for another few weeks...!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 26/02/2021 09:58:15 2332793 Link 0 |
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I might be wrong in this..unless level 4 comes in inter county can't take place this time round..club will not be played unless it comes down to level 3..this is a reason for county first..it all depends now on our bungling government and nphet..it's a pity but we now just have to wait til April and see is there any hope of seeing a live Gaa game and god knows when we,ll be inside gates again.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2215 - 26/02/2021 10:14:11 2332796 Link 1 |
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What people want does not matter when it comes to the virus...we all want to get back playing, watching sport and living because this ain't living...we are just existing. When you look at Israel…over 50% of the population fully vaccinated any yet…case numbers and infection rates are still high…that's a big worry. I can't see how club action will be allowed to proceed first due to the much larger playing numbers and community interaction. Public health will dictate what happens next and the safer bet is county first. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 26/02/2021 10:50:02 2332800 Link 4 |
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Not true. This isn't the time for preferences. It's a time for being pragmatic & realistic. If we're not at Level 3 or lower then club cannot take place. But if county can why wouldn't you want it to go ahead? Would you prefer no football/hurling at all?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 26/02/2021 12:57:29 2332817 Link 2 |
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As the GAA is not deemed "elite" both club and county will be allowed return at the same time... I think like last season the club should start ahead of the County... what is wrong with that.. ?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 26/02/2021 14:28:27 2332822 Link 0 |
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Definitely agree only when it's safe but a decision could be made now, something like All Ireland series starts in September. If there is only a small window then county is better than nothing.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 26/02/2021 14:32:26 2332823 Link 2 |
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No they won't. Numbers participating and public health advice will determine when inter county and club will start. You can be absolutely certain that inter county competitions will be given the go ahead by the government well before club championship competitions are given the go ahead.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/02/2021 15:58:55 2332826 Link 5 |
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Always put club first.... that is if you actually have a club... It gets far more people back playing which can only be good... I couldn't care less if inter county never came back... A football All Ireland that the winner is already known ( Dublin ) holds no appeal.. Hurling is different of course but club in either code comes first every time...!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 26/02/2021 16:20:30 2332828 Link 1 |
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A lot has changed in a year. While vaccines are on the way, the rollout is painfully slow and the new variants make the virus even more transmissible. We all want club back ASAP but the key point here is whatever is deemed safe will happen first. As someone involved in my local club I'd much rather wait a while longer for club, have crowds back and be able celebrate and have a few pints after instead of no crowds and straight home after a game and training. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 26/02/2021 19:35:52 2332839 Link 5 |
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Funny the sh*te talk over a few pints before and after matches, club and county, was as much part of it than the football itself.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 26/02/2021 22:09:07 2332861 Link 3 |
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I have a club ForeverBlue. The fact that you couldn't care less whether or not inter county football comes back is of absolutely no consequence. I don't know what part of "numbers involved" you seem to be incapable of understanding. The greater the number of people involved in any sporting activity the less chance there is of it being allowed in the short to medium term. The government is not going to allow it. Nobody on this forum needs a lecture from you as to love of and loyalty to our clubs. We all want to see our clubs back in action and we will.....eventually. You can repeat "club first" all you like. It won't happen because the government won't allow it. Roll on inter county. I'll enjoy it and then I'll really enjoy the club scene hopefully in person at the games.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/02/2021 23:13:12 2332868 Link 2 |