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Would this be a fix for the imbalance/handicap/ tanking potential in my 12-match Inter-Confs of 16? Simply award bonus points for the 4 unplayed games - Div/Quadrant 1v4 - 8 Quad 1 teams start with 8 pts; 8 Quad 4 teams 0 pts; Div/Quad 2v2 and 3v3 - all 16 teams given 4 pts. Playing the 12 matches completes a balanced '16v16' schedule. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 04/12/2019 14:05:00 2253185 Link
Omahant. Keep the ideas coming. And disregard the rock throwers. I suggest you review all the constructive feedback and maybe distill it into the one single suggestion you think might be worth championing. shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 05/12/2019 08:37:32 2253310 Link
Brainstorming is better in finding the ideal solution. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 05/12/2019 16:45:50 2253415 Link
Replying To shaneShankill: "Omahant. Keep the ideas coming. And disregard the rock throwers. I suggest you review all the constructive feedback and maybe distill it into the one single suggestion you think might be worth championing." Omahant having lots of ideas is great. But problem for me is not keeping it in the one place when it's on same topic all the time KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 05/12/2019 19:37:16 2253453 Link
How about bonus pts to replace the handicap ? - Draw half of each GAA NFL div to form 4 groups of 4 in 2 Conferences A and B. - Each team is assessed based on a 16-match Inter-Conf (AvB) regular season, but only 12 of the 16 games are actually played. - Div 1 teams avoid those in Div 4 but are awarded 8 bonus points in lieu of, what would 'most likely' have been, 4 wins. - Similarly, Div 2v2 and 3v3 matches are avoided; with all 16 teams each getting 4 bonus pts. - At conclusion of the 12-match schedule, the top 8 in each Conf (regardless of div) advance to Own Conf 'non-repeat' KO QFs. - Teams placed 9th & below in one Conf replace those placed 8th & above in Other Conf, if the former has a better record. - In Conf QFs and SFs, the team with the best record hosts worst, 2nd hosts 7th etc, with 4 QF winners reseeded for Conf SFs. - Conf Finals (AI SFs) played at Prov neutral venues; AI Final at Croke Park. - Confs are refreshed for the following year, with prior Conf Finalists, their QF opponents and teams placed 11th-14th remaining in the same Conf; as all 16 others cross over. - For 'next year' scheduling, prior year Conf QF winners are categorised as 'Division / Quadrant 1'; Conf QF losers as 'Quadrant 2'; & teams placed 13th-16th as 'Quadrant 4'. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/12/2019 05:20:53 2253652 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "Omahant having lots of ideas is great. But problem for me is not keeping it in the one place when it's on same topic all the time" ...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 07/12/2019 10:12:30 2253663 Link
Replying To extranjero: "...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?" What do you think of what I last posted ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/12/2019 13:49:03 2253684 Link
Replying To omahant: "What do you think of what I last posted ?" It's not fair either to just gift teams points. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 07/12/2019 15:26:58 2253697 Link
Too convoluted. I'd go with a format proposed by Whammo (2 tiers of 16). But we're stuck with the provincials. Moving counties to other provinces won't fly. I would only move Louth to Ulster so it has ten teams along with Leinster. Both provinces are split into two groups of 5. Top 2 in each group go into their provincial semi-finals. Connacht and Munster adopt a league format. Top 2 in each contest their provincial final. The four provincial finalists qualify for the All-Ireland series. At least this format allows for every team to have at least 4 or 5 games. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 07/12/2019 16:36:59 2253708 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It's not fair either to just gift teams points." Fair enough. Just trying to cut games to 12, but doing a work around to a quasi 'balanced 16v16' schedule. In lieu of ugly blowouts, better to give the bonus (near certain) pts and get rid of the handicap. I think teams would now want to avoid 13th and strive for 12th. The middle 8 start with same 4 pts (avoiding own quality, pts shared). For sure, this is quirky / unconventional, but balanced a la Shara. The KO field of 16 of 32 is a wide enough net, that any team good enough to advance, should - and with Best 16, unlike Task Force Option 2 (25th advances to the 10-team KO / 5th is out). Better than your earlier point that an FA Cup KO style is fair as the best team could KO no. 2 in 3rd Rd, but the 2nd worst could advance instead v worst (not this extreme in my structure). I like it - each div/quadrant should have 2 new/2 old refreshed each year - each team 'guaranteed' 6 new/6 old repeat teams in next year schedule. Teams play a blend of quality - gives top/all teams chance to try out new player talent/blend new blood as well. Option - Could adapt KO as top 6 (or 4) to Tier 1 KO and next 6 (or 8) to a Stronger/Worth Winning Tier 2. You're not convinced, I know - that's OK. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/12/2019 18:57:45 2253726 Link
Replying To extranjero: "...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?" I've only ever used one name at a time. Constantly different for variety of reasons And running different rugby threads is fine as they're in different topics and not like omahant who puts a new thread up for every single championship proposal he(??) has. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 07/12/2019 21:58:35 2253759 Link
Replying To omahant: "What do you think of what I last posted ?" Not too fond of it, I think you've had better recommendations. But I enjoy reading your articles so please keep posting your ideas! extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 08/12/2019 22:34:26 2253872 Link
I think the following works - satisfies those who want conventional groups and meets my desire for a mixed div 1v 1, 2, 3 schedule while avoiding div 1v4 blowouts - Div 1 (22 teams, 10 games) - 2 mixed quality, equally ranked groups of 11, playing round robin. Div 2 (10 teams, 9 games) - 1 lower ranked group of 10, playing round robin. AIC KO of 16 - top 3 in Div 2 (seeded 14-16) join top 13 in Div 1 (across both groups, seeded 1-13 based on record). Pairings in KO of 16 and QFs based on 'best seed hosts worst', '2nd best hosts 2nd worst' etc, with teams reseeded for QFs. SFs at neutral Prov venues (best seed v 4th); and Final at Croke Park. 3 Up / 3 Down. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 28/12/2019 00:09:49 2256286 Link
Keep it simple. Retain the 4 divisions of 8. Double round-robin. Super League: 8 teams National League 1: 8 teams National League 2: 8 teams National League 3: 8 teams Every team gets 14 games (15 for the Super League finalists). The Super League champions receive the Sam Maguire Cup. Run it from March to August. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 28/12/2019 16:13:44 2256329 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "Keep it simple. Retain the 4 divisions of 8. Double round-robin. Super League: 8 teams National League 1: 8 teams National League 2: 8 teams National League 3: 8 teams Every team gets 14 games (15 for the Super League finalists). The Super League champions receive the Sam Maguire Cup. Run it from March to August." That would be good but should have separate provincial and all Ireland straight knock out cups as well and these aren't held entirely before or after the league. Held in between the league games. These would add 7 weeks more of games but most wouldnt play in most those weekends. You still have lot of time for club games and a proper off season KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 28/12/2019 22:46:03 2256362 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "That would be good but should have separate provincial and all Ireland straight knock out cups as well and these aren't held entirely before or after the league. Held in between the league games. These would add 7 weeks more of games but most wouldnt play in most those weekends. You still have lot of time for club games and a proper off season" I actually just posted revised format with the same alterations on another thread. 7 weeks would bring us up to 21 games. I'd also put in an All-Ireland Shield to kick off the intercounty season. It would be contested between the cup and league champions. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 29/12/2019 01:05:14 2256371 Link
I'd like 14 rds inclusive of a few KO rds - to increase the primacy of the club, maybe it's best to limit/shorten the inter-county season, although the latter is the cash cow. Separately. would anyone like a 10-12 team Pro League, with the elite players, independent of the GAA ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 29/12/2019 04:02:37 2256373 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "I actually just posted revised format with the same alterations on another thread. 7 weeks would bring us up to 21 games. I'd also put in an All-Ireland Shield to kick off the intercounty season. It would be contested between the cup and league champions." 21 weeks is too much for intercounty competitions. It's actually 9 extra weeks suggested. 4 rounds of provincials in Ulster and Leinster. 5 rounds of All Ireland cup. It's too much. The fixtures review committee want 15 club only weekends. That's getting us up to 38 weeks and we haven't factored in the Provincial and All Ireland club competitions. There's not ample time in his plan for club and a proper off season. I don't think anyone wants only 8 teams capable of winning the All Ireland at the start of the season. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 29/12/2019 11:08:58 2256387 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "21 weeks is too much for intercounty competitions. It's actually 9 extra weeks suggested. 4 rounds of provincials in Ulster and Leinster. 5 rounds of All Ireland cup. It's too much. The fixtures review committee want 15 club only weekends. That's getting us up to 38 weeks and we haven't factored in the Provincial and All Ireland club competitions. There's not ample time in his plan for club and a proper off season. I don't think anyone wants only 8 teams capable of winning the All Ireland at the start of the season." There's never going to be a solution. Too many competing interests. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 29/12/2019 15:36:49 2256417 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "There's never going to be a solution. Too many competing interests." There's never going to be a perfect solution but there are plenty that could work and be reasonable season's for everyone. The solution above wouldn't be though. There are just too many intercounty fixtures, makes it a complete non runner. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 29/12/2019 16:41:37 2256431 Link