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A Leinster divisional league could be very good in hurling for players based in non traditional counties and to grow the games for those players. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 13/11/2019 13:29:25 2249429 Link 6 |
The Kerry Calendar is generally as follows Defullback2017 (Kerry) - Posts: 6 - 13/11/2019 13:29:25 2249430 Link 0 |
The only way I can see it working is if you reduce the Senior Championship to 12 clubs plus 4 divisional sides. East Donegal Convoy, Glenfin, Glenswilly, Letterkenny Gaels, Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs, Robert Emmetts, Sean McCools, Setanta, St Eunans, and St Patrick's Lifford. Inishowen Buncrana, Burt, Carndonagh, Malin, Moville, St Patrick's Muff, and Urris. North West Donegal Cloughaneely, Downings, Dungloe, Fanad Gaels, Glenties, Gweedore, Milford, Naomh Mhuire, Na Rossa, St Michaels, and Termon. South Donegal (Banagh and Tirhugh) Ardara, Ballintra, Ballyshannon, Bundoran, Four Masters, Glencolmcille, Kilcar, Killybegs, Naomh Ultan, Pettigo, and St Nauls. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/11/2019 14:38:06 2249460 Link 1 |
How many divisions could you get in Antrim if you don't already have any?
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/11/2019 17:19:10 2249496 Link 0 |
We already have divisional competitions in both underage and Senior as well as All County League and Championship. North Antrim organise the hurling up around the Glens area (and a bit beyond) as most clubs in this area are hurling only though there are a few dual clubs. South West organise competitions for the football Clubs that are in the geographical area beyond Belfast and South Belfast look after Belfast in both codes. St Endas (Glengormley) changed a number of years back from South to South West and North Antrim in the respective codes. Each area has its own Championships at adult and underage with leagues also being played for Senior grade in Belfast and underage in both. And the championships are ran independently of the All County with neither having a bearing on the other. At present the All County leagues and Championship aren't aligned though clubs for the most part play in the relevant Championship i.e. Div 1 play Senior etc. And Junior and Intermediate winners play are required to play up a grade the following year. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 13/11/2019 17:45:19 2249499 Link 0 |
We kind of have 2 large divisions currently and do play a cup competition for teams in those divisions. Weirdly they are called South West (the not Belfast area) and South Antrim (Belfast). There's also a North Antrim division that is mostly used in hurling and is a sub division of South West in Football. I think in Football you could definitely have 4 divisions. North and South West and then some way of dividing Belfast into 2. There's only around 12 senior clubs at the minute out of a total of 34 adult clubs. A divisional team made of 5 clubs, 2/3 intermediate teams and 2/3 junior teams would be very much in the running for winning the championship. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 13/11/2019 18:12:53 2249503 Link 6 |
Kerry - 8 Cork - 9 Waterford - 2 Limerick - 4 Clare - 3 Tipperary - 4 That gives you three tiers of 10. The problem with divisional leagues is whether teams/players would be willing to take on the extra games. Would the divisional championships be limited to junior and intermediate teams? Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/11/2019 18:24:44 2249507 Link 0 |
My thoughts would be that players would play these instead of club leagues and they'd be meaningful games below intercounty level around the same time. Players from senior clubs would be available. In Munster you could have 3 groups of 10 with top 4 from each group going to a knockout stage. That's 13 games maximum. The biggest thing would be that these teams would be established and that juveniles not playing inter county underage could play regular good quality games too to aid their development. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 13/11/2019 20:05:02 2249527 Link 6 |
Provincial leagues for clubs could also be looked at. The Down hurlers play in the Antrim league IIRC. I think clubs in weaker counties should look at combining their leagues. Donegal, Fermanagh, Tyrone, and Derry combined gives you 17 teams.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/11/2019 21:21:46 2249541 Link 0 |
That's if you look at it trying to make it totally the same for each division. In Cork and Kerry it's largely based on baronies with some larger than others. On another thread people were talking about Templenoe, just across the border from me in Kerry. Templenoe is part of the Kenmare district which is made up of only 4 clubs. Within that, Kenmare themselves are senior, so the divisional team can only pick from 3 clubs, which will be 2 next year as Templenoe will be senior also. That's just the way it is. Beara, just across the border in Cork is also made up of a small number of clubs. As to the point of dual counties, Cork finish their championships ok and many of their players are dual. Could be why we are not as successful as many of our neighbours in either code in recent years. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 13/11/2019 23:57:37 2249565 Link 1 |
Didn't myself either, was a disaster a few years ago, every county is different but didn't work in limerick, when last tried.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 14/11/2019 19:43:48 2249678 Link 0 |
Sorry if this question has been answered already but can someone explain the Kerry system. Austin Stacks represent them this year, as Championship winners but East Kerry won the county title?? Is there 2 different competitions? Douglas_44 (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 15/11/2019 20:55:25 2249794 Link 0 |
Stacks won the senior club championship.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 15/11/2019 22:02:19 2249804 Link 0 |
I know, but would senior club champions not represent the county regardless? Sorry, I'm just not familiar with the system so don't quite understand it
Douglas_44 (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 16/11/2019 10:52:56 2249841 Link 0 |
If crokes had won the county championship last weekend they would have represented us in the Munster club. The senior club champions only go through if a divisional team win the county, If crokes had won the senior club they would have gone through to Munster regardless of losing the county final last weekend. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/11/2019 11:47:28 2249847 Link 3 |
It's a bit of a mad system though. Stacks lost their 2 county championship games and have still progressed to Munster. Surely the club championship shouldn't be completely stand alone from the county championship and the club that progresses furthest qualifies for Munster. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 16/11/2019 14:09:04 2249867 Link 6 |
I suppose that has its own issues in that, say, East Kerry beat South Kerry in the Senior Championship final, both having beaten Stacks and Crokes in the semi finals, how do you decide who goes through then? A 3rd place playoff?! I think the system is quite good, it means that the Senior Club Championship is not totally devalued by the Senior Championship and at least Stacks go into Munster as the champions of something. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13692 - 16/11/2019 15:20:20 2249870 Link 5 |
That's the way it used to be whammo but our county board decided to go down this road, 1 good thing about our system and with East Kerry looking like they will dominate our county championship for the next few years ( especially with Rathmore joining their ranks next year) is that our senior club championship is going to have skin and hair flying in it next April. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/11/2019 18:40:51 2249892 Link 2 |
I've heard "don't get a chance" mentioned a lot regarding junior players. This is the bit I don't understand. many players from junior clubs have represented Tyrone over the years. Is it not up to a manager to go and watch a few junior championship games and if someone is kicking 8-9 points a game its clear the player deserves a chance.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 21/11/2019 12:20:54 2250656 Link 0 |
Of coarse the manager should do that but they do get an opportunity to see that player play at senior club level in the county and assess if they think they can make the next step up ti inter county. A player getting 8 or 9 points at junior level usually doesnt do that level of scoring at senior level Defullback2017 (Kerry) - Posts: 6 - 21/11/2019 12:46:15 2250659 Link 0 |